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James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« on: Monday 10 September 18 12:26 BST (UK) »
Just received the marriage cert of James and Emma 1869 in Melksham I was hoping to find a fathers name but its blank Emms father was John deceased Does anyone know where I can find parish record for his baptism or does it mean father unknown Thanks

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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 September 18 12:47 BST (UK) »
It means he was probably illegitimate.
 
Is there any birth registration for him on freebmd? 
Have you checked Family Search?
Where is he in 1851 and 1861?
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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 September 18 12:52 BST (UK) »
3 births in the Westbury RD -  2 in 1848 and 1 in 1850
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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 September 18 12:57 BST (UK) »
Baptisms on the Wiltshire OPC site for Bratton only extend to 1699.
https://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/329-bratton

Later baptisms will be at Wiltshire & Swindon History Centre.

Interesting in that he lived a large part of his life in Portishead, Somerset? My home town!
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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 September 18 12:58 BST (UK) »
Hi
His Railway record for the GWR gives a birth date 14th Oct 1848.
James Smith joined Bristol May 1877. But Pay 20 ' from 1875.
At Bristol Goods Portishead,

So it looks like he was registered at birth Dec 1848 Westbury and Whorwellsdown  vol 8 431.
It is an illegitimate birth but I'm sorry I can't see a baptism.

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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 September 18 20:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone very helpful I cant see him on any census earlier than 1881
In  1881  he is living with his wife Emma Wait and children Also in the house is Rachel Rice and it says shes married to head How can I found out who James mother was
James Smith    33
Emma Smith    38
Annie Smith    9
Emily Smith    6
Rose Smith    3
Walter Smith    1
(not transcribed)    
Rachel Rice    41
William Rice    13
Ernest Rice    7
Martha Rice    5
Ethel Rice

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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 September 18 20:52 BST (UK) »
He was illegitimate, and registered as a Smith.
If his mother married, then he may be enumerated under his step-father's surname in 1851, 1861 and 1871?

Best bet is to buy the Birth Certificate.
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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 September 18 21:14 BST (UK) »
A possibility might be
James Saunders + Ann Smith, married Westbury RD, Sep 1849
They have a son James born Bratton who may be slightly older than that. And no birth reg?

Are in Edington in 1851 where the young James is James S Saunders, 2, born Westbury (could S be for Smith?) Piece 1842 folio 193 page 20

Here is the family in Bratton, Westbury, in 1861. James is 12, born Bratton.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VY-X13

Don't think a James Saunders of that sort of age born Wiltshire is around in 1881 or later.

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Re: James Smith Bratton Wiltshire 1849
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 September 18 21:32 BST (UK) »
James Saunders + Ann Smith, 30 Sep 1849, at Bratton. Her father Richard.