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Offline goldie61

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1638 letter missing words
« on: Friday 14 September 18 11:03 BST (UK) »
I would be grateful is someone could look at this and try and fill in the gaps.
According to the precis on the Cheshire RO website, it is a letter from William Colly to the Escheator of Cheshire, requesting advice about the estate of Ralph Astley.
The note doesnít tell me much else I donít think, but there are a few bits I canít make out.
Thank you very much.

Astley

Mr Escheatr, my sole (?) remembred unto you. Of
Late one Rauffe Astley of Golborne Bellowe
dy(cis?) he held some lands in Cap?    by
reason whereof his sonne Edward is to fine
fynde an office & sue lyvery. I am tuld(?)
a weitt will not be granted un[    ] you
write for it. I pray advise & d?
the [   ]  [   ]what is fitt & will be
required in that case(?) & I will see your
pa[  ] all fees and [   ] this [     ]
your favours [    ] thankfull & remayne
                       your lovaigne frende

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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 September 18 11:13 BST (UK) »
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a weitt will not be granted un[    ] you

I think it's '......a writt will not be granted untill you.....'  :-\
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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 September 18 11:20 BST (UK) »
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reason whereof his sonne Edward is to fine fynde

I have the impression that the word 'fine' has actually been crossed out in the original, so that it should read '......reason whereof his sonne Edward is to fine fynde an......'

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dy(cis?) he held some lands in Cap?    by

might it be 'in Capite' ?
In capite - Latin - An estate in land held by direct grant of the king.

http://www.directlinesoftware.com/legal.htm

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write for it. I pray advise & d?

& doe for
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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 September 18 12:44 BST (UK) »
I've added my very tentative suggestions  :-\

Mr Escheatr, my sole (?) remembred unto you. Of
Late one Rauffe Astley of Golborne Bellowe
dy(cis?) he held some lands in Capite by
reason whereof his sonne Edward is to fine
fynde an office & sue lyvery. I am tuld(?)
a writt will not be granted untill you
write for it. I pray advise & doe for
the younge man what is fitt & will be
required in that case(?) & I will see your
pa[  ] all fees and [   ] this [     ]
your favours [    ] thankfull & remayne
                       your lovaigne frende

Maybe hd or Bookbox will call by some time soon  :)
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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 September 18 13:29 BST (UK) »
Copied from JenB's helpful reply, with my suggestions in bold:

Mr Escheatr, my sole (?) remembred unto you. Of
Late one Rauffe Astley of Golborne Bellowe
dyed he held some lands in Capite by
reason whereof his sonne Edward is to fine
fynde an office & sue lyvery. I am tuld(?)
a writt will not be granted untill you
write for it. I pray advise & doe for
the younge man what is fitt & will be
required in that case(?) & I will see your
paied all fees and for this advise &(?)
your favours [    ] I thankfully remayne
                       your lovaigne frende

Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 September 18 16:27 BST (UK) »
Fourth word of first line is:  love

Second last line of main text ends:   ...for this [and?] other

A minor matter, but the spelling in the last line is:  loveinge

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Re: 1638 letter missing words
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 September 18 23:11 BST (UK) »
Many thanks everybody. Great to have other eyes to look at things - I don't know how long I spent looking at that word in the first line HD but couldn't see it, and I knew it  must say something like 'paid' near the end arthurk, but again just couldn't see it.
Well spotted 'young man' JenB, and also 'In Capite'. Now that might be an interesting lead.

I think it is solved now. Thanks again.  :)

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs