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Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« on: Saturday 15 September 18 02:14 BST (UK) »
   Lawrence Massachusetts is very much in our minds today what with the news casts of the massive fire and gas explosions there yesterday.

   My great grandmother's brother James BERRY and his wife Charlotte BAKES with their first 13 children migrated to Lawrence from Eccleshill in 1886.   They had a number of trips back to Bradford and many great great grandchildren still live in Lawrence.    One of them has been working nights and was unaware that the house next door had exploded as he was in a deep sleep when the police called and got him out.

    The purpose of this enquiry though is connected to the eldest son of James and Charlotte, namely Robert Leo Bakes BERRY.     Robert had gone back to Yorkshire on a trip and late in 1891 he married an Amelia SAINT in Leeds.    They travelled back to Boston in the Catalonia November 1891 and then set up home in Philadelphia, rather than Lawrence.    In the passenger list the names that follow those of Robert and Amelia are a Mary Bakes, Helena Bakes and Ethel Bakes.  This was found by an American cousin, a descendant of James and Charlotte who asked how the three Bakes passengers could be connected to the family.

     I had a stroke of luck in finding that Mary Bakes made another voyage to America in 1908 as a tourist and this time we have her home address at 101 Town Lane, Idle which is close to Eccleshill.
Today this address is 'House of Beauty' and from the picture on that website appears to be quite a large detached house.    The passenger list gives her destination in America as 'Phila', so she must have been staying with Robert and his wife.

     But there is no sign of the young ladies Helena or Ethel Bakes in any census nor can I be certain of any birth in or near Bradford for them.   Their was an Ethel Bakes born late 1883 which would make her age of 10 years in 1891 out by 2 years.

     Mary Bakes has to be the daughter of Abraham Kitson who married a Joseph Bakes in 1866.   Sadly Joseph Bakes died around June 1867, hardly a year later and I can't see any issue from that marriage.    In every census Mary Bakes appears as a Widow and usually still living with father Abraham Kitson.    Joseph Bakes had the same grandparents as Charlotte Bakes so that must be how Mary is connected to Robert Bakes and family.

      In 1911 Mary is living with an Orpha Parker, her niece, and daughter of Samuel Parker and Martha (Waddington ?).

       I just cannot find those two young girls.

     
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 September 18 04:59 BST (UK) »
Looking at the image of the 1891 passenger list the surname looks more like Bates than Bakes  to me :-\

Could this be the female Bates passengers in 1881 - Living in Radcliffe, Lancashire??

Mark Bate    32
Mary Bate    33
Harison Bate 11
Helena Bate 6
Ethel Bate     6 months

In 1891 Mary, Harrison and an Eleanor of the right age to be Helena are lodging with Mary's siblings Betsy, William and John Royle

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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 September 18 05:40 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately not, Kate.     She was married to Joseph Bakes -

Marriages Sep 1866   
BAKES    Joseph     Bradford, Yk.    9b   296   
KITSON    Mary     Bradford Yk.    9b   296

and I have two separate connections to the Bakes Family of Eccleshill, Green Gates and Idle.

Also have just found another page on the 1908 sailing list which says that she was going to stay with her brother T Kitson in Philadelphia, and there are various family trees all showing the Bakes Family with Mary on them.     T Kitson has turned out to be Timothy who migrated in 1865 to Philadelphia.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 September 18 05:48 BST (UK) »
Sorry -I was unclear.   I meant that the Mary, Eleanor and Ethel are transcribed as Bates on Anc on the 1891 Passenger list and the image looks like Bates on the image.    Maybe they are not your Bakes family and it was just a coincidence that they were listed next to the Berry  family


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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 September 18 06:08 BST (UK) »
Sorry -I was unclear.   I meant that the Mary, Eleanor and Ethel are transcribed as Bates on Anc on the 1891 Passenger list and the image looks like Bates on the image.    Maybe they are not your Bakes family and it was just a coincidence that they were listed next to the Berry  family


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    Yes but there is something else.    Mary Kitson's husband Joseph Bakes was a grandson of Henry Bakes and Hannah Lee.    Robert L Bakes Berry was also a grandson of the same Henry Bakes and Hannah Lee but by different parents.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 September 18 06:16 BST (UK) »
Harper Row    Robert Leo    BAKES    Head    33    m    Quarryman    Eccleshill    
      Mary Ann    BAKES                     Wife    33    m    -    Eccleshill    
      Hannah    BAKES              dau    12    -    Worsted Spinner    Eccleshill    
      Mary Jane    BAKES              dau    10    -    Worsted Spinner    Eccleshill    
      Sarah Eliza    BAKES      dau    8    -    Worsted Spinner    Eccleshill    
      Charlotte    BAKES              dau    6    -    -    Eccleshill    
      Sophia    BAKES              dau    4    -    -    Eccleshill    
      Ann Fletcher    BAKES      dau    1    -    -    Eccleshill
Taken from the 1851 census of Idle ED2c
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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 September 18 06:35 BST (UK) »
Thank You Brian.   I didn't have that census and I see that it has Charlotte there aged 6 years.   Charlotte married James Berry, who was the brother of my great grandmother Elizabeth Berry who married my great grandad Thomas Hutton.    Thomas was the grandson of a William Hutton whose first marriage was to Mary Bakes who died 1804 and then William married my gt.gt.grandmother Mary Barron.    The attachment is the circular tree that connects all.    I have another circular tree with my Draffan ancestry.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 September 18 06:42 BST (UK) »
If it's any help looking for your Eccleshill Bakes families have a sniff round here:
https://vitaldb.moorlandit.com/
Just enter Bakes into surnames then search all.
 Brian
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Re: Who did Helena and Ethel BAKES belong to?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 September 18 07:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks Brian, now why didn't I think of that?    I've come across a Martha Ellen Bakes born in 1881 but looks like she was from Cleckheaton/Wyke.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields