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Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« on: Sunday 16 September 18 00:12 BST (UK) »
William George Bird was born in 1853, was a Locomotive Engine Driver and died in Middlesbrough in 1911. He was married to Hannah Bird (nee Smith). The marriage took place in 1892 at the Register Office in Middlesbrough. At the time of death, he was living at 31 Oswald Terrace Middlesbrough and the informant was his son, James W. Bird. William was previously married, and a widower at the time of his marriage to Hannah. This couple is my great grandfather and great grandmother whom I know very little about. I would be most interested if anyone can provide any family information or make contact with any related family pursuing their family tree. Many thanks

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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 September 18 01:17 BST (UK) »
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The marriage took place in 1892 at the Register Office in Middlesbrough.

What was his fathers name on that marriage cert?

You don't give any details of his birthplace from census records.  His death reg shows he was 61 so born around 1850 and there are a couple of possible births on freebmd. 

Was he born Redworth Durham?  If so - no birth reg showing

Have you looked for him on the 1871/1881 censuses which are free at Family search

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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 September 18 04:35 BST (UK) »
His father's name on the marriage certificate was James Bird (deceased), Engine driver. I have the 1901 census and he is listed as being born at Redworth, Yorkshire. The record shows they had 10 children between them at that stage - James (22) railway engine stoker, born ? Yorkshire; Joseph (20) railway engine stoker, born Middlesbro Yorkshire; Fred (18) born Middlesbro; Eliza (16) born Middlesbro; Louis ? (13) born Middlesbro; Eva (my grandmother) (11) born Frizington, Cumberland; Willie (7) born Middlesbro; Maggie (4) born Middlesbro: Ada (3) born Middlesbro and Lillian (6m) born Middlesbro. The last 4 children belonged to William and Eva and the first 5 to William and his first wife. I will have a look at the 1871 and 1881 census records for the Bird family as I already have that for Hanna.

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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 September 18 05:42 BST (UK) »
I have just managed to trace William George Bird back through the 1911, 1901, 1891, 1881, 1871, 1861 and 1851 census records. Amazing information available on FamilySearch and quite easy to navigate too.


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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 September 18 12:30 BST (UK) »
I have just managed to trace William George Bird back through the 1911, 1901, 1891, 1881, 1871, 1861 and 1851 census records. Amazing information available on FamilySearch and quite easy to navigate too.

A couple of questions: (should be answerable from your census findings)
What was the name of James BIRD's wife?
Who were their eldest 2 children, when and where were they born?

This information could lead to the marriage of William George's parents and help locate a birth registration.

Philip
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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 September 18 15:32 BST (UK) »
So I presume from Census you have discovered your Eva was born as Eva Smith?

So in 1891 we have;
William G Bird, 41, Head, Widr, Loco Engine Driver, born Redworth, Durham
James W Bird, 12
Joseph H Bird, 10
Fred Bird, 8
Eliza A Bird, 6
Tom Bird, 3
Isaac Bird, 38, Brother
Jane Bird, 32, Sister

1881 Census
William G. Bird   22
Elizabeth Bird   30
James W. Bird   2
Joseph H. Bird 7 mths

GRO Birth Regs;

BIRD, JAMES  WILLIAM, Mothers mn WALKER****
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 594

BIRD, JOSEPH  HENRY, Mothers mn WALKER****
GRO Reference: 1880  D Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 515

BIRD, TOM, Mothers mn WALKER***
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 529

So all children 1881 Census and up to Tom 1887 have Mother as nee WALKER

Eva is with her Grandparents in 1891 in Greatham, Durham;

James Johnston   54
Margaret Johnston 50
James Johnston   17
Elizabeth J Johnston 23
Albert Johnston   10
Margaret G Johnston   6
Robert D Johnston   4
EVA Smith   1, Grand daughter, born Frizington, Cumberland****

GRO Birth Reg;
SMITH, EVA, no Mothers mn****
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 624

Trish :)

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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 September 18 15:39 BST (UK) »
BIRD, ADA, Mothers mn JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH  Volume 09D  Page 569

So Hannah was a Widow on the 1892 Marriage?
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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 September 18 16:01 BST (UK) »
Marriage from Anc.
Marriage Date:   14 Apr 1884
Marriage Place:   Frizington, Cumberland, England
Hannah JOHNSON age 19, Single, Father JAMES Johnson, Birth Place Frizington
Spouse: George SMITH, Father MUNAY (presume Murray) Smith, Birth Place Cleator Moor***

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Re: Searching for ancestors of William George Bird and Hannah Bird (nee Smith)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 September 18 16:11 BST (UK) »
You can find George on 1881 Census on Familysearch.Org in Cleator, Cumberland;
Murray Smith   40
Mary Smith   40
George Smith   20*****
Jane Smith   18
Henry Smith   15
Robert Smith   9
Joseph Smith   7
Frederick Smith   5
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