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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 21:40 BST (UK) »
Chempat,

I searched with no luck on a baptism (OPRs) as Statutory Reg. didn't begin in Scotland until 1855

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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 21:59 BST (UK) »
It seems a big coincidence that James Herkus, son of James Herkus and Jane Muir was a Tailor in 1861, the same occupation as the James who married Elizabeth Middleton in 1864. He is also the correct age and was born in Dalkeith.
Some other questions - what became of James, son of James and Jane (Muir) if it wasn’t him who married Elizabeth Middleton? Why is their no obvious death of Jane Harkiss  ( or variants) nee Muir?
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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 22:23 BST (UK) »
Good questions Isobel.

James Harkliss/Harkiss marries Elizabeth Middleton in 1864 in Dalkeith.  He is a tailor, age 21.  His father George is a gardener and his Mother was previously Jane Hogarth.

Were either of his parents deceased on the 1864 marriage? (Forgot Jane died 1866) Was George alive on the marriage 1864?

It seems strange the marriage giving parents as George & Jane Hogarth/(Horseburgh)? & the death giving husband as James

Jane Herkes of Bennets Close dies in 1866 age 65. 

According to her son Jas Herkes, her husband is James Herkes, her Father was James Herkes, and her mother was Marion Herkes previously Horseburgh.

What was husband James' occ. on Jane's death?

It does look as though James was illegitimate?


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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 22:32 BST (UK) »
On Jane's death, James was a labourer.

On the marriage in 1864, neither parent is recorded as deceased.


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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 22:49 BST (UK) »
Possible death for James Harkiss Snr  in Dalkeith in 1884 age 80. Might be worth checking to see who the informant was and to find out what the name of his wife was.
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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 23:08 BST (UK) »
Chempat,

Any clues with witnesses names on 1864 marriage & what were the addresses of any/all concerned (if given)?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 23:13 BST (UK) »
This is the suggested family in 1851 in Portobello:
James Herkus   48
Jane Herkus   50
David Herkus   18
Margaret Herkus   16
Jane Herkus   12
Jennet Herkus   9
James Herkus   7

I can see baptisms (Hercus/Muir) for Jane and Jennet, but not the others.

Oh, Margaret as Herclus. David as Herkus.  And James as Herkus.

In which case, if James is baptised as son of James and Jean/Jane and is not illegitimate, why does he invent a father George when he marries?

(James Herkies at the Free Church, Dalkeith,1843, son of James Herkies, brickmaker and Jean Muir.)

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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 23:20 BST (UK) »
Marriage witnesses in 1864 Jane Middleton and John Baptie (??)

James' normal residence : Dalkeith.

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Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 23:29 BST (UK) »
James Harkiss death in 1884, widower of Jane Muir, informant James Harkiss of Tabernacle Close Dalkeith (death at Wilson Close East, Dalkeith.)

James's (snr) father was David Harkiss, general labourer, mother not known.