Author Topic: James Harkiss  (Read 2749 times)

Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,568
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
James Harkiss
« on: Tuesday 18 September 18 19:41 BST (UK) »
James Harkliss/Harkiss marries Elizabeth Middleton in 1864 in Dalkeith.  He is a tailor, age 21.  His father George is a gardener and his Mother was previously Jane Hogarth.

In subsequent censuses he is from Newbattle or Dalkeith.

Can anyone see his birth or him with family in 1851 or 1861?

His death information is from Midlothian and Terbles District Lunatic Asylum giving his father as James, and an unknown mother.

Are any of the details of his parents correct?

Thank-you

Offline isobelw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,566
  • Gran & Granpa Clotworthy
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:11 BST (UK) »
I think they are down as Harkins in 1861. Living at Bennets Close, Dalkeith. Father Jas is age 59, a Labourer born Dalkeith. Mother Jane is age 62 born Dalkeith and son Jas is age 17, a Tailor, born Dalkeith.
Isobel
Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,568
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:19 BST (UK) »
That would mean that he gives the wrong name for his father on his marriage.

I had wondered if they were his grandparents, but probably not quite old enough?

Offline isobelw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,566
  • Gran & Granpa Clotworthy
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:28 BST (UK) »
Same family seem to appear as Herkus in 1851 living in Duddingston. Father James is a Roof & Drain Tilemaker Journeyman.i note that Findmypast has the 1861 family noted above listed as Harkies (Harkins is from Ancestry).
Isobel
Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)


Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,568
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:30 BST (UK) »
Jane Herkes of Bennets Close dies in 1866 age 65. 

According to her son Jas Herkes, her husband is James Herkes, her Father was James Herkes, and her mother was Marion Herkes previously Horseburgh.

Offline isobelw

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,566
  • Gran & Granpa Clotworthy
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:35 BST (UK) »
The wife of James Herkus appears to be Jean Muir ( checking the births of the children recorded in the 1851 census against Familysearch).
Isobel
Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,568
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 20:44 BST (UK) »
There is a Marion Horseburgh who marries Thomas Muir  in 1794 in Dalkeith, which is interesting.

but what about George Herkis and Jane Hogarth?

Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 21:11 BST (UK) »
There is a Marion Horseburgh who marries Thomas Muir  in 1794 in Dalkeith, which is interesting.

but what about George Herkis and Jane Hogarth?

Looks like he was illegitimate, used his g/mothers m/s on his marriage as a 'cover-up' & it would be easy to mix up Hogarth/Horseburgh (I think) at age 21 as he wouldn't be asked that question until that day?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,568
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Harkiss
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 18 September 18 21:25 BST (UK) »
Any suggestions for a birth?