Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN

[Kay99]

There are several tree's on Ancestry with Sarah Elizabeth and Elizabeth Sarah Hine born 1853 Luton. married to William Robert Llewellyn. There maybe some clues there but I have'nt got a sub.

Sadly most of them don't include the possible first child Mary E maybe as they didn't  find her in the 1881 census.     However one private  tree also lists her as Emma??

[solidrock]

There are several tree's on Ancestry with Sarah Elizabeth and Elizabeth Sarah Hine born 1853 Luton. married to William Robert Llewellyn. There maybe some clues there but I have'nt got a sub.

Sadly most of them don't include the possible first child Mary E maybe as they didn't  find her in the 1881 census.   

Back to the drawing board 

[Kay99]

Sorry - I added to the last post - One private tree lists her as Mary Elizabeth (Emma) Llewellin
Birth   1873 Bradford Yorkshire   No idea where the Emma comes from!

[solidrock]

Could this be the baptism for William Robert Lewellin.

William Robert Lewellin
04 Oct 1847
Saint James The Less,Ashted,Warwick
Father, William.  Mother, Ann.

Added... Father's Residence Place    Vauxhall Lane

[Greaves]

OK, with much help I have put together the following for William Robert LLEWELLYN:

1847 - born Aston, Warwickshire
1851 - with parents at Long Acre, Aston
1861 - with parents at Adam Street, Aston
1872 - marries Elizabeth Sarah HINE at Aston (Q1 1872 Aston 6d 289)
1881 - with wife & 4 children at Jacksons Gardens, Lambeth
1891 - with wife & 7 children at Coles Avenue, Edmonton
1895 - death of Elizabeth Sarah LLEWELLYN in Edmonton (Q4 1895 Edmonton 3a 215)
1897 - marries Annie ROLFE (née WINFIELD) in Edmonton (Q1 1897 Edmonton 3a 321)
1901 - living with new wife & 5 children at St Mary's Road, Edmonton
1911 - inmate in Edmonton workhouse
1932 - dies aged 84 at Edmonton (Q1 1932 Edmonton 3a 902)

Clearly there are still a few mysteries to clarify, not least his children. I have found births for seven children with MMN Nine and one with MMN Winfield. There are two missing, the two earliest: Mary Elizabeth and Ann. According to the census information, Mary was born in Bradford or Wales and Ann in Luton. I can so far find neither of these births, at least not with MMN HINE.

I think locating these two births is the next logical step.

[Kay99]

I think this is Ann from GRO Birth Index ANN  ELIZABETH HINE - No Mother's maiden name     -      
GRO Ref: 1875 Sept Qrter LUTON  Vol 03B  Page 441

Added -Sadly I am completely stumped  on Mary Elizabeth 

[Greaves]

Kay99 - you are almost certainly right, but a little surprising given that her parents married in 1872, some three years earlier. I would not have been surprised to find that Mary Elizabeth was illegitimate,  but Ann clearly was not.

[Kay99]

I must admit I can see  a marriage of William Llewellyn in 1872 in Aston with the ref you list but not to a Elizabeth Sarah Hine - but to Ann Tranter https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2VP-5ZF    same ref no on FreeBMD      Is yours from FreeBMD??

Kay

[Greaves]

Gosh - you are right. I wonder what happened to Ann Tranter and when and if he married Elizabeth Sarah Hine.