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Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« on: Wednesday 19 September 18 00:05 BST (UK) »
I am having great difficulty in tracing the life of Mary Elizabeth Llewellin. The following is what I haver firm evidence for:

(1) She married James GILBERT in Sep 1893 at All Hallows, Tottenham. She gave her age as 20 and her father was named as William LLEWELLIN, a brass finisher. She was living at 17 Brunswick Court, Tottenham. Her spouse was aged 24 and a labourer, living at 8 Union Row, Tottenham.

(2) In 1901, James GILBERT (32) and Elizabeth GILBERT (28) were living at 12 Union Road, Tottenham, with their two children Harriet (6) and James (2). Her place of birth is simply given as Wales, with no elaboration.

(3) In 1911, James GILBERT (42) and Mary Elizabeth GILBERT (36) are living at Tenterden Road, Tottenham, with their six children: Harriet (17), James (12), Emma (10), Alfred (7), William (5) and Arthur (2).Once again her place of birth is simply given as Wales, with no elaboration.

I assume from the above that she was born c1873 in Wales and her father was William Llewellin, though I can find no suitable birth or baptism for her. Nor can I find her or her parents in the 1881 or 1891 censuses. The nearest I come to locating her is a Mary Elizabeth Llewellin in the 1891 census living in the Tottenham area, but this one was born in Yorkshire!

Her husband appears to die in 1933 aged 62 in Tottenham. I am fairly confident that this is the correct James Gilbert, as the informant is his son, Arthur Gilbert. Having looked at the electoral registers it would appear that James had been living without Elizabeth for a number of years in Lorenco Road, Tottenham, where he died. I can find no trace of Mary Elizabeth after the 1911 census. I have no idea whether she remarried or when and where she died.

Any help in trying to figure out her life before her marriage in 1893 and after the 1911 census would be much appreciated.

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 01:40 BST (UK) »
This may not help but looking at the  GRO Birth Index the mothers maiden name is mostly spelt Llewellyn  :-\

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 01:43 BST (UK) »
A maybe...

LLEWELIN, MARY  ELIZABETH      mmn   MORGAN   
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 209

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 02:12 BST (UK) »
I wonder if the Mary E Llewellin born 1873  Bradford you found in 1891 might be worth looking into more   Found this family in 1881 living in Lambeth with father William a Brass Finisher.   At the moment can't see them post 1881

William Llewellyn   33 Brass Finisher   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Sarah E   Llewellyn   28 Luton, Bedfordshire
Elizabeth   Llewellyn   8   Bradford, Yorkshire
Ann   Llewellyn   5   Luton, Bedfordshire
William Llewellyn   4   Lambeth, Surrey
Louisa Llewellyn   1   Lambeth, Surrey


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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 02:46 BST (UK) »
The same family I think in 1891 liiving in Edmonton but William is listed as born Wales  and minus Elizabeth b 1873 who might be your Mary Elizabeth

William Llewellen   44   Brass Finisher   Llangollen, Denb, Wales
Elizabeth Llewellen 37 Luton, Bedfordshire
Ann E Llewellen   15   Luton, Bedfordshire, England
William H   Llewellen   14   Errand Boy    Surrey
Louisa Llewellen   14   Surrey
Alice   Llewellen   10   Edmonton, Middlesex
Robert C Llewellen   6 Edmonton, Middlesex
Lillie R Llewellen   5 Edmonton, Middlesex
James Llewellen   1 Edmonton, Middlesex

Added - Based on the GRO Birth Index the children (with the exception of the first two) are  listed with mother's maiden name Hine.  I can't find a birth for (Mary) Elizabeth born 1873 under Hine or Llewell* and Ann Elizabeth b 1875 Luton was registered with the surname Hine with no mothers maiden name  -Sadly I can't see a Llew*/Hine marriage

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 03:00 BST (UK) »
There is this marriage...

William Llewellyn    m  Sarah Morgan  1857   Bridgend    11a   707      

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 03:31 BST (UK) »
A maybe...

LLEWELIN, MARY  ELIZABETH      mmn   MORGAN   
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in NEWPORT  Volume 11A  Page 209

I think this is Mary Elizabeth and family in 1871 living in Newport with sister Alice Jane also listed on the GRO Birth Index with mothers maiden name Morgan

John   Llewelin 40   Farmer - Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary   Llewelin 37   Monmouthshire, Wales
William Henry   Llewelin   4   Monmouthshire, Wales
Alice Jane   Llewelin   2  Monmouthshire, Wales
Mary Elizth   Llewelin   0   Monmouthshire, Wales
Timothy   Morgan   Servant   20   Monmouthshire, Wales
Easter    Rogers   Domestic Servant   -   Female   15   -   Monmouthshire, Wales

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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 07:24 BST (UK) »
Her husband appears to die in 1933 aged 62 in Tottenham.

Having looked at the electoral registers it would appear that James had been living without Elizabeth for a number of years in Lorenco Road, Tottenham, where he died.

Don't forget that a lot of women did not get the vote until 1928 so she may have been with him but not on the electoral register
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Re: Mary Elizabeth LLEWELLIN
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 September 18 07:36 BST (UK) »
There's another William Llewelyn age 63 born Birmingham, Formerly Brass Finisher, married in the Edmonton Union Workhouse, Bridport Road, Upper Edmonton in the 1911 census.