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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 September 18 12:48 BST (UK) »
J G snr b abt 1808 in Maldon, too old to be Joshua b Heybridge's son, but maybe nephew.

There is a baptism for an Abraham Simmons s/o Abraham and Hannah in Heybridge on 23 April 1786 born 17 Feb 1786 - a pauper.

Also Hannah born 17 July, bapt 5 Oct 1788,
Mary born 15 Sep, bapt 16 Oct 1791,
Henrietta born 21 Aug, bapt 29 Sep 1793,
Joseph born 13 Apr bapt 5 Jun 1796
same parents and surname always Simmons not Seamen and no Jushua bapt Heybridge at right time

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 September 18 12:51 BST (UK) »
Baptism St Marys Maldon
Joshua George Simmons son of Abraham and Mary bapt 16 Sep 1807.

Surname Simmons again ???
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 September 18 12:51 BST (UK) »
oh well done, I had decided the spelling must be different, but hadn't found that yet
if you think about how you say SEAMANS and SIMMONS it is a minor change in the vowel sounds
currently concentrating on NUTCHER & MARSHALL families, Hampshire.
and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 September 18 12:56 BST (UK) »
working hypothesis

Abraham with wife Hannah at Heybridge. 

At some point Hannah dies and Abraham moves to Maldon (could be in different order) and Abraham remarries Mary.  Has more children including Joshua George which would account for largish age difference.

Abraham who died 1862 = half brother of Joshua George the Clothier who died 1855
currently concentrating on NUTCHER & MARSHALL families, Hampshire.
and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 September 18 13:04 BST (UK) »
Maybe the older Joshua b Heybridge was really Joseph. I have a chap in my tree who is either Joshua or Josiah depending on the way the wind's blowing. Rare surname so I know it's only one person.

While I'm in Maldon records, I'll see if I can find any more Seaman(s) /Simmons
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 September 18 13:58 BST (UK) »
Found a possible marriage in Great Hawkesley (some way from Heybridge, though)
Abraham Simmons married Hannah Hankin on 9 June 1783, wit Benjamin Hankin and  James Marshall Hannah made her mark - others signed. James Marshall has  witnessed other marriages on same page. Hannah is otp, Abraham is of parish of Allthorn or similar.

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Just looked at record more closely
The clerk has written Simmons, but Abrahams has signed Seamans!
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 September 18 14:09 BST (UK) »
Found parish called Althorne just south east of Heybridge - this is looking good!
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 20 September 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
Looks like ERO doesn't have anything that far back for Althorne, even fiche of BTs in their searchroom only goes back as far as 1800. Unless the place was so small, baptisms etc were in a neighbouring church
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: died 1862 but probate calendar date not until 1904! Why?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 20 September 18 14:34 BST (UK) »
There's a lot of Seaman(s) / Simmons in Fordham, south of Great Horkesley and on route to Heybridge, may be connected.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate