Author Topic: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please  (Read 1143 times)

Offline Bookbox

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,917
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 September 18 20:11 BST (UK) »
My impression is that William surrendered the property on 19 July 1675, and it was reported retrospectively at the courts of 20 and 27 October 1675. This court, where Edward is now being admitted, must be some time later, since both William and John have died in the interim.

I would expect there to be a date for ‘this court’ at the very top, in the heading where the steward is named and the jurors are listed, but it may be on a previous page if there was a lot of court business. If you don’t have the page showing the date, the NRO might be willing to check it for you.

Offline dejay

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 September 18 17:52 BST (UK) »
Bookbox
Unfortunately only have copy of this page and no date appears above. It is "indexed" in date range 1677-1686 so must be shortly after - it is near front of the book.

I attach "side notes" which appear alongside. Other than names is the lower text any guide .... looks like numbering to me (?)

Otherwise, yes, back to NRO I guess.

PS Have found earlier entry - must be the 1675 court entry. I will have to get this resized etc. but will then place as separate post.

Many thanks
Artis (Norfolk / Suffolk / Cambridge / London)
Noller and Staff (Suffolk)
Cantwell and Driscoll (London and Ireland)
Harding (Littlehapton & Bethnal Green)

Offline Bookbox

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,917
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 22 September 18 18:02 BST (UK) »
I attach "side notes" which appear alongside. Other than names is the lower text any guide .... looks like numbering to me (?)

I think the last bit is ijs vjd s(e)c(un)d(u)m = 2 shillings 6 pence accordingly.
It could be the entry fine paid by Edward for admittance to the property.

Offline dejay

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 22 September 18 19:02 BST (UK) »
I see. Yes, guess that is right.

Will leave it there. Thanks again for all your help.
Artis (Norfolk / Suffolk / Cambridge / London)
Noller and Staff (Suffolk)
Cantwell and Driscoll (London and Ireland)
Harding (Littlehapton & Bethnal Green)


Offline jonw65

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 10,770
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 September 18 19:20 BST (UK) »
Not sure that this is what you were looking at in the record office, but the date range is 1677-86
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTWQ-S8Y?i=882&cat=433874

Offline Bookbox

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,917
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 22 September 18 20:03 BST (UK) »
Good find!
The extracts posted above are on images 924-925 (of 2111). Paging backwards to the start of the court, the date is 23 October 1680 (image 920, top right).

Ad Cur(iam) Gen(er)alem cu(m) Leta ib(ide)m tent(am) Vicesimo tertio die
Octobris Anno regni D(omi)ni n(ost)ri Car(oli) s(e)c(un)di dei gr(ati)a Anglie Scot(ie)
ffrancie et Hib(er)nie Regis fidei Defensor(is) &c Tricesimo s(e)c(un)do
Annoq(ue) D(omi)ni 1680


At a General Court with Leet held in the same place on the twenty-third day of October in the thirty-second year of the reign of our lord Charles the Second, by the grace of God King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc., and in the year of the Lord 1680.

Offline dejay

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 September 18 16:59 BST (UK) »
Well, that is a great find. Had not realised that these were of FS!

Notice list of names under the heading .... these are members of the court I assume(?)

Which "Artis" do you think is listed ..... looks like John to me.
Artis (Norfolk / Suffolk / Cambridge / London)
Noller and Staff (Suffolk)
Cantwell and Driscoll (London and Ireland)
Harding (Littlehapton & Bethnal Green)

Offline Bookbox

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,917
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 23 September 18 17:09 BST (UK) »
Notice list of names under the heading .... these are members of the court I assume(?)

The list is headed Cap(ita)les Plegij = Chief Pledges, or Tithingmen, in charge of keeping the peace in a section of the manor (originally a ‘tenth’ part of it).

I read the sixth name as Will(el)m(us) Artis.

ADDED - he is also listed on the next image (921) as a member of the homage, or jury.

Offline dejay

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 160
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Court book entry 1695 Latin deciphering please
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 September 18 17:53 BST (UK) »
Got it ... yes. William it is. Ta

I am so grateful for all your help ..... if you can stand it I attach the original 1675 entry .....
Artis (Norfolk / Suffolk / Cambridge / London)
Noller and Staff (Suffolk)
Cantwell and Driscoll (London and Ireland)
Harding (Littlehapton & Bethnal Green)