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Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« on: Friday 21 September 18 18:28 BST (UK) »
In our search through Aylmer will we have now reached the one of Thomas Aylmer of 1500 :)

It is my hope that it may throw some light as to how the following are related:

Edmund Aylmer and his wife Elizabeth Tyrrell, parents of Frances (d. 1540) and Anne.

We have Thomas and Robert Aylmer, gentlemen, sons of ? Aylmer and his wife Elizabeth de Wood, sister of John at Wood, whose widow was Margaret.

Robert Aylmer's son Alexander married Anne. Alexander was the father of William, Frances - who married Christopher Thetford, Bridget - who married Stephen Rookwood, Elizabeth, Honour, Ursula and Mary.

Frances Aylmer the Elder mentions the child Frances Aylmer the Younger in her will of 1540 and refers to her as 'cousin'.

There is great overlap in the social circles of Frances Aylmer the Elder and Bishop John Aylmer, the tutor of Lady Jane Grey.

Edmund Aylmer, Roger Aylmer and Thomas Aylmer are mentioned together in about 1486 - Brothers?
'Plaintiffs: Edmund Aylmer, esquire. Defendants: William Paston. Subject: Detention of bonds between Roger and Thomas Aylmer and complainant of the one party, and Harry Straunge, Thomas Drury, and John Sharnburgh, of the other.'
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7452975

Laurence Ailmer, John Ailmer and Thomas Ailmer are mentioned together in 1488 - Brothers?
'1488 [...] 4 Henry VII County of Essex [...] 33. Mich. Laurence Ailmer, John Ailmer, Thomas Ailmer, John Barley, Robert Godewyn and William Hampton, pl. Richard Pake and Elizabeth his wife, def. 1 messuage, 24 acres of land, 3 acres of meadow and 18d. rent in Eisonham. Def. quitclaimed to pl. and the heirs of Laurence. Warranty as in 10. Cons. 201.'
http://esah1852.org.uk/images/pdf/ffines/F1400000.pdf

We know that Sir Laurence Aylmer's father was Thomas Aylmer of Ellesnam/Allesham/Elsham in Essex, and that Sir Laurence also had a brother named Thomas Aylmer, gentleman.

Could the John Ailmer mentioned above be brother of Sir Laurence and Thomas Aylmer, gentleman?

Could we here have the father (or grandfather?) of Bishop John Aylmer, whose father is said to have been called John?

Could Sir Laurence's brother Thomas Aylmer have married Elizabeth de Wood and the brothers Robert and Thomas have been their children?

I am hoping that this will might give the answer to some of the questions above :)

The full will can be found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C39Z-49JP-Z?i=363&cat=278818

Thank you so much in advance! :) :) :)

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 September 18 19:09 BST (UK) »
Snippet #1

In the Name of god Amen I Thom(a)s Ayleme(r)

of Norwich Grocer the xiiij day of ye moneth of August

In the yer(e) of o(ur) lord god a ml and CCCCC in my good and

hole mynde god be lawdyd at Norwich forsaid make

my testame(n)t in this wyse ffirst I co(m)mend my soule to

god allmyghty our Lady seint mary and all seintes and

my body to be buryed in the church of seint Andrew in

norwich by my kynred It(e)m to the rep(ar)ac(i)on of the said...

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 September 18 19:25 BST (UK) »
Snippet #2

...church of seint Andrewe forsaid and for brekyng of the

grownd xls It(e)m to the heygh auter of the same churche

iij s iiijd It(e)m to the heygh auter of the church of seint

petyr of mancroft in Norwich iijs iiijd It(e)m to the rep(ar)ac(i)on

of the same chuch xx s It(e)m to iche of the iiij orderes of freres

in Norwich vjs viijd It(e)m to the holy Trinite of the

Cathedrall church of the holy trinite in Norwich iijs

iiijd It(e)m to Iche Anker and Ankeres of Norwich xij d

It(e)m to ev(er)y Suster of Normans hospitall in Norwich

iijd It(e)m to ev(er)y Sykeman and woman at iche of the...



heygh auter = high altar

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 September 18 22:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, HD! :) :D :) Wonderful work, as always!!! :) :) :) Especially this one, I can barely make out a word!

to be buryed in the church of seint Andrew in norwich by my kynred

That is lovely ❤️

Snippet #2

...church of seint Andrewe forsaid and for brekyng of the

grownd xls It(e)m to the heygh auter of the same churche

iij s iiijd It(e)m to the heygh auter of the church of seint

petyr of mancroft in Norwich iijs iiijd It(e)m to the rep(ar)ac(i)on

of the same chuch xx s It(e)m to iche of the iiij orderes of freres

in Norwich vjs viijd It(e)m to the holy Trinite of the

Cathedrall church of the holy trinite in Norwich iijs

iiijd It(e)m to Iche Anker and Ankeres of Norwich xij d

It(e)m to ev(er)y Suster of Normans hospitall in Norwich

iijd It(e)m to ev(er)y Sykeman and woman at iche of the...



heygh auter = high altar

Again these incredibly impressive charitable donations! When you see what people actually had to leave behind (not much) it becomes more impressive still.

And there we have our old friends the anchorites and anchoresses again :) The family was clearly big fans!

St Peter Mancroft - St Peter Mancroft is a parish church in the Church of England, in the centre of Norwich, Norfolk. After the two cathedrals, it is the largest church in Norwich and was built between 1430 and 1455.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Peter_Mancroft

From another source - Located in the market place in the heart of the medieval city of Norwich, St Peter Mancroft is the largest of the city's 31 (!!!!!!!!!) surviving medieval parish churches
https://www.stpetermancroft.org.uk/page/25/history

Thank you so much again, HD!!! :) :D :) I really love pre-reformatory wills!

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 September 18 23:47 BST (UK) »
Snippet 3

v yates* in Norwich ijd  It(e)m I Will have a trentall**

to be Sunge for my soule and my ffrend(es) soules upon a

Day w(i)t(h) in a Senyte*** aft(er) my berying xs  It(e)m I Will have

an honest secular prest to syng and pray for my soule

and all my ffrend(es) in the church of seint Andrewe forsaid

by the space of iiij yer(e)  It(e)m I gefe to John Aylemer my nevy****


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* 5 gates
** a series of 30 requiem masses
*** within seven nights
**** nephew

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 September 18 23:53 BST (UK) »
Snippet 4

the seke mens houses with the gret close therto p(er)tey(-)

nyng at west Wyk gate to hold to the said John his

heir(es) and his assignes for ev(er) more whan he com(m)yth

to thage of xxj yer(e)  It(e)m I bequeth to iche of ye p(ri)soner(es)

in the Castall and in ye yelde hall* of Norwich jd

It(e)m I Will that my close lying at the gates of west Wyk

adioynyng nexte the grounde of Nicholas Appilyard

esquier and my Land with ought seint Gyles yates** be

sold be myn executo(u)rs and the money y(er)of*** cum(m)yng be

disposid in p(er)formannce of this my testament and last

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* Guildhall (?)
** without St Giles’ gates (?)
*** thereof

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 September 18 09:18 BST (UK) »
John Aylemer my nevy

!!!!!!!!!

And there we have a John Aylmer :) :D :)

Thank you so much, Bookbox!!!!!!!!! This is wonderful! :) :) :)

Snippet 3

v yates* in Norwich ijd  It(e)m I Will have a trentall**

to be Sunge for my soule and my ffrend(es) soules upon a

Day w(i)t(h) in a Senyte*** aft(er) my berying xs  It(e)m I Will have

an honest secular prest to syng and pray for my soule

and all my ffrend(es) in the church of seint Andrewe forsaid

by the space of iiij yer(e)  It(e)m I gefe to John Aylemer my nevy****


=====
* 5 gates
** a series of 30 requiem masses
*** within seven nights
**** nephew

I loved this entire part. The requiem masses! So beautiful.

They were very concerned with honest (!) priests, weren't they?

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 September 18 09:19 BST (UK) »
Snippet 4

the seke mens houses with the gret close therto p(er)tey(-)

nyng at west Wyk gate to hold to the said John his

heir(es) and his assignes for ev(er) more whan he com(m)yth

to thage of xxj yer(e)  It(e)m I bequeth to iche of ye p(ri)soner(es)

in the Castall and in ye yelde hall* of Norwich jd

It(e)m I Will that my close lying at the gates of west Wyk

adioynyng nexte the grounde of Nicholas Appilyard

esquier and my Land with ought seint Gyles yates** be

sold be myn executo(u)rs and the money y(er)of*** cum(m)yng be

disposid in p(er)formannce of this my testament and last

=====
* Guildhall (?)
** without St Giles’ gates (?)
*** thereof

Nicholas Appilyard - What a lovely name! :)

I think 'his land outside of the gates of St. Giles' must be exactly the right interpretation. It makes a lot of sense!

Thank you so much again, Bookbox!!! :) :D :) This has been a lovely will so far! And we found John Aylmer!!!

Well, a John Aylmer, anyway :) But it does fit very well so far that he at the very least is the same one as the one from 1488.

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Re: Will of Thomas Aylmer 1500
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 September 18 15:40 BST (UK) »
Snippet #5:

...will It(e)m to Iche of the Nu(n)nys of [Carhows?] by nor

wich xiijd It(e)m I bequeth to margaret knyve wydowe

my Cosyn vj s viijd It(e)m I bequeth to Thomas Alman of

leystoft my Cosyn xiij s iiijd And to Edmu(n)d Alman of

leystoft forsaid other xiijs iiij d It(e)m I bequeth to Thom(a)s

Groos my godson xx s whan he co(m)myth to thage of xvj

yer(es) It(em) to Joh Joone Groos sist(er) to the said Thom(a)s Groos

vj s viijd at her maryage or at the age of xvj yer(es) It(e)m

to dame [magaret?] parker of leystoft myn(e) awnte xx s

It(e)m I bequeth to John Alman of Jermuthe xiij s iiij d...



Notes:

Carhow? - last letter unclear

dame ma?aret parker - middle letter or letters unclear

Jer?the - middle letters unclear