Looking for Ellen YATES pre 1861

[bearkat]

I'm trying to find Ellen YATES born Hampton, Middlesex circa 1834.

In 1861 she is working as a servant in Hassop, Derbyshire.

By 1871 she has married John ASHTON and is living in Calver, Derbyshire.

Can anyone find her in 1841 of 1851?  At her marriage she says her father is Henry, a gardener.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's a Henry and Amy Yates/Yeats baptising children in Hampton in the 1830s. Can't find them on 1841 and by 1851 Amy is now Mrs Warren (with Yeats children - but no Ellen)

[bearkat]

I've found Henry and Amy in 1841.  They have several children including an unknown son but no Ellen. Their ages - 9, 7, 5, 3 & 3 weeks mean that there isn't really room for another one.

[Ladyhawk]

Not that this helps locate Ellen 

I've found Henry and Amy in 1841. 
They have several children including an unknown son but no Ellen.
Their ages - 9, 7, 5, 3 & 3 weeks mean that there isn't really room for another one.

Henry Yates      40-44   Middlesex
Amey Yates      35-39   Middlesex
Amey Yates      9   Middlesex
Catherine Yates      7   Middlesex
Elizabeth Yates      5   Middlesex
Steven Yates      3   Middlesex
- Yates              0   Middlesex

Wonder if the sons name is Henry

YATES, HENRY  CHARLES mmn   PORCHMOUTH   
1841  J Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 04  Page 188   
   
YATES, STEPHEN mm   PORTSMITH   
1838  S Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 04  Page 199   
   
1851 Ham St Surrey
Henry Budd Head   M   29   Barlavington,  Sussex occ. Gardener
Elizabeth Budd Wife   F   29   Sunbury, Middlesex
AMY YATES Niece   F   18   Hampton, Middlesex occ Laundress
John King Visitor   M   25   Twyford, Berkshire

[Annette7]

I think she possibly changed her name and that she is the daughter Catherine on 1841 and 1851 census of the exact same age.   

Can find no trace of 'Catherine' Yates after 1851.  She was baptised as Catherine 'Yeates' 23/3/1834 Hampton St. Mary.

Annette

[bearkat]

A big thank you for all the replies.  I spent ages looking for her on FindMyPast, Ancestry, Familysearch, Freereg and the GRO site and I know you must have done too.

I agree that a name change is the most likely answer. I would feel happier if she named her children after family members but Elizabeth is the only one and that's very common.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I think she possibly changed her name and that she is the daughter Catherine on 1841 and 1851 census of the exact same age.   

Can find no trace of 'Catherine' Yates after 1851.  She was baptised as Catherine 'Yeates' 23/3/1834 Hampton St. Mary.

Annette

That's what I was going to suggest if I'd been able to find 1841 to see which of the daughters were there [Ancestry have them as Yater!]

[bearkat]

Some of our ancestors didn't much our research easy.

There seems to be PORTSMOUTH, PORTSMITH and PORCHMOUTH families around in the area at that time.  I can't see a birth for Amey though.

I've not familair with research in this area.  My mother would have been surprised at a southern ancestor.

[LizzieL]

Henry Yeates (sic) bach otp married Amy Portsmouth sp otp on 28 Sep 1829 at St Mary the Virgin, Twickenham by banns. Henry signed and spelt his name as Yeates, Amy made her mark, witnesses: William Henry Parker and John Lamb (JL witnesses most of marriages on page so probably a parish clerk or simila)