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Researching WW1 deaths
« on: Friday 28 September 18 16:03 BST (UK) »
Two of my Great Uncles died in service during WW1 in France and Flanders.  I know the dates they died and in which CWG cemeteries they are laid to rest.
Can anyone suggest how I best investigate the circumstances regarding their deaths.?

I also know which regiments they served in but have not been able to establish which battle cost them their lives.

Thanks


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Re: Researching WW1 deaths
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 September 18 16:36 BST (UK) »
If you can access Ancestry, by sub or at a library in UK, you can look your men up in Soldiers Died in the Great War.  This will give killed in action, died of wounds or just ‘died’, meaning sickness or accident.
Units’ war diaries do not often name soldiers other than officers, but if your men were Kia it may tie up with an entry in the diary.  Died of wounds is another matter, given the possible time lag between events.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 September 18 17:38 BST (UK) »
May I add a little to Ainslie's advice?

If the CWGC detail also says which battalion of their regiment they were in, then that can lead you to the war diaries at the National Archives (they are also on Ancestry in most cases).  Check the CWGC detail for a sheet headed "Concentration".  If it is there, then that would indicate they were initially buried elsewhere and reburied later.

If you need to find their battalion, then you will need their medal roll entry, also on Ancestry.

The Register of Soldiers' Effect on Ancestry will also give a clue to their death perhaps.   Someone who died in a field ambulance or the like will normally have that place recorded there.

There will always be someone here who can help further if required.

MaxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: Researching WW1 deaths
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 September 18 18:06 BST (UK) »
An excellent supplement.
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Re: Researching WW1 deaths
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 30 September 18 12:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both Ainslie and MaxD for their help and information.
I do not have a current subscription to Ancestry but will visit my local library and access the site there.

As always, great to have people who are willing to assist and share their knowledge.

Much appreciated

namatse

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Re: Researching WW1 deaths
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 September 18 12:54 BST (UK) »
I have had some success using www.thelonglongtrail.co.uk.

Start with the "Army" tab, then "The Regiments and Corps".
Once you have found the Regiment, you will find details of the various battalions.
Each battalion was almost certainly part of a numbered Brigade within a Division.
Scroll to the end of the Regimental page to find links to various Divisions.

From the resulting page you will be able to see which battles that Division was involved in.
Hopefully the dates of death will provide a clue as to where the deaths took place?

Back on the Main Menu bar, there is a link to "Battles" that might give further information.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 September 18 16:19 BST (UK) »
It is probably worth pointing out that, sadly, deaths occurred almost daily so you may well find that the dates of death do not neatly fall inside the brackets given to the major "named" engagements which is where the war diaries of the battalions and, if necessary, their higher command levels come into the picture.  Deaths in the medical evacuation chain may not be immediately relatable to a named battle.
In addition, a soldier who was serving in, for example, one of the support services such as the Army Service Corps, may have died during the time frame of say, First Ypres, but if he was at the time 20 miles away from the front carrying out his just as valuable contribution, to say he died "in the battle of First Ypres" would, I suggest, not be right.

Good luck with your searches, let us know how it goes!

MaxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 October 18 19:53 BST (UK) »
I followed your advice MaxD and discovered that one of my Uncles had in fact been buried elsewhere and then reburied in a cemetery in Loos.

Unfortunately I have not been able to establish where either of my Uncles died but it seems highly likely that one of them died at The Battle of St Quentin Canal.

Thanks again for all the pointers.


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« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 October 18 22:11 BST (UK) »
I have sent you a PM.

MaxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia