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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« on: Monday 01 October 18 13:32 BST (UK) »
Hi just wondering if anyone could help me out. I'm still apart of the Hartington History Group called Hartington Through the Ages and at the moment i'm researching the HOPE family. (I'm not related to them)

The names i'm wanting to be confirmed or even help with are the following (not sure if i have all the children as conflicting names in different records)

James Hope
Born: April 1805
Married: 25/06/1832
Death: dec 1877

Spouse:
Mary Fogg
Born: 1818
Marriage (as above)
Death: 1865

Children

Jane Ann (Anne) Hope
Born: 1832
Death: 1848

John Hope
Born: 1835
Marriage: unknown
Spouse:Unknown
Death:Unknown

Sarah Anne Hope
Born: 1837
Marriage: 6 Jan 1859
Spouse: Thomas Harworth
Death: Unknown

Mary Hope
Born: 1838
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Unknown
Death: Unknown

Maria Fogg Hope
Born: 1840
Marriage: 15 April 1867
Spouse: Joseph Carter
Death: 1908

Elizabeth Ellen Hope
Born: 1842
Marriage: 12 March 1866
Spouse: Frank Evans Jones
Death: Unknown

Thomas Hope
Born: 1844
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Agnes Ann ???
Death: Unknown

Harriet Emily Hope
Born: 1846
Marriage: 24 June 18/74
Spouse: James Whitaker
Death; Unknown

Lucy Hope
Born: 1848
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Unknown
Death: Unknown

Clara Esther Hope
Born: 1850
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Unknown
Death: Unknown

Emily Louisa Hope
Born: 1852
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Unknown
Death: Unknown

George Hope
Born: 1854
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Harriet ????
Death: 1895

James Henry Hope
Born: 1858
Marriage: 11 April 1907
Spouse:Eva Gertrude Lomas
Death: Unknown

All help is appreciated
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 October 18 14:06 BST (UK) »
I find the simplest way is to start with censuses so I can tick off the names to say "alive in (year)" or "died after (year)".  For example:

1841 census HO107 197/10 p15 Pool Hall, Hartington
James 35, tailor
Mary 23
Jane 8, John 7, Sarah 5, Mary 3, Maria 1
all born in county

1861 census fo 26, piece 2523, page 13, Village, Hartington
James 56, draper and grocer
Mary 43
John 26, Mary 23, Harriet Emily 15, Clara Esther 11, Emily Louisa 9, George 7, James Henry 3
all born Hartington

The "alive in" idea narrows down the search for marriages or deaths.

This gives us:
John b1835 - alive (single) in 1861
Mary b1838 alive (single) in 1861
and so on

Philip
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 October 18 14:41 BST (UK) »
thank you will try that
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 October 18 14:50 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Youngy1981 on Monday 01 October 18 13:32 BST (UK)
Thomas Hope
Born: 1844
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Agnes Ann ???
Death: Unknown

Marriage Dec qtr 1869 Chorlton vol 8c p716 HOPE Thomas, LAWRENCE Agnes Ann
birth Jun qtr 1871 Stockport vol 8a p62 HOPE Mary Gertrude mmn LAWRENCE
birth Dec qtr 1872 Chorlton vol 8c p669 HOPE Arthur Lawrence mmn LAWRENCE
(this matches the family at 103 Percival Street, Chorlton on Medlock on the 1881 1891 and 1901 censuses)

Probable death:
Sep qtr 1910 Chorlton vol 8c p450 HOPE Thomas age 66

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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 October 18 15:59 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Youngy1981 on Monday 01 October 18 13:32 BST (UK)
Lucy Hope
Born: 1848
Marriage: Unknown
Spouse: Unknown
Death: Unknown

FamilySearch
Baptism 14 Nov 1847 Hartington, Lucy HOPE, parents James and Mary

1851 census HO107 2146/548 p24
Hartington Town Quarter
(blank) head-absent, grocer and draper
Mary 32, wife
John 16, Sarah H 14, Maria F 11, Elizabeth E 9, Thomas 7, Harriet E 5, Lucy 3, Clara E 1
all born Hartington
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 October 18 16:42 BST (UK) »
To simplify the search I have added findings in blue to your original list:


James HOPE b Apr 1805, m 25 Jun 1832 Mary FOGG (1818-1865), d Dec 1877

Children

Jane Ann (Anne) b 1832 d 1848 Mar qtr 1848 Ashbourne

John b 1835 d after 1861

Sarah Anne Hope b 1837, m 6 Jan 1859 Thomas HARWORTH d after 1861

Mary b Jun qtr 1838 Ashborne, d after 1861

Maria Fogg b Mar qtr 1840 Ashborne, m 15 Apr 1867 Joseph CARTER, d 1908

Elizabeth Ellen b Mar qtr 1842 Ashborne, m 12 Mar 1866 Frank Evans JONES

Thomas b 1844, (birth reg not found), m Dec qtr 1869 Agnes Ann LAWRENCE, 2 children, ?d Sep qtr 1910 Chorlton

Harriet Emily b Dec qtr 1845 Ashborne, m 24 Jun 1874 James WHITAKER

Lucy b Dec qtr 1847 Ashborne, bap 14 Nov 1847, d after 1851

Clara Esther b Dec qtr 1849 Ashborne, d after 1861

Emily Louisa Emma Louisa b Jun qtr 1852 Ashborne, d after 1861

George b Dec qtr 1853 Ashbourne, m Harriet, d 1895

James Henry b Dec qtr 1857 Ashbourne, m 11 Apr 1907 Eva Gertrude LOMAS

Births registered HOPE mmn FOGG
Mary - Jun qtr 1838 The Ashborne vol 19 p358
Maria - Mar qtr 1840 Ashborne vol 19 p339
Elizabeth Ellen - Mar qtr 1842 Ashborne vol 19 p365
Harriet Emily - Dec qtr 1845 Ashborne vol 19 p356
Lucy - Dec qtr 1847 Ashborne vol 19 p321
Clara Esther - Dec qtr 1849 Ashborne vol 19 p337
Emma Louisa - Jun qtr 1852 Ashborne vol 19 p439
George - Dec qtr 1853 Ashbourne vol 7b p409
James Henry - Dec qtr 1857 Ashbourne vol 7b p461
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 00:05 BST (UK) »
Philip's contribution is excellent..and I can add detail to it..directly from the Hartington Parish Records 1610-1910......Bearing in mind that PR's record Baptisms (not Births).Marriages,,and Burials not Deaths..so there is often no way of knowing an accurate BIRTH Date.....unless an age of Death is given on Burial Records ...
JAMES HOPE baptised 14.04.1805 was on of SEVEN children of THOMAS HOPE a farmer and his wife JANE..neither of whom were from Hartington and were no married there......the other children of Thomas and Jane:
Hannah 21.01.1800.(buried 06.01.1801).....Mary 07.12 1801....Elizabeth 10.10.1803...JAMES 1805....John 18.03,1810..George 22.06.1812 (Buried 4 days later!)...Ann. 09.05.1814

JAMES HOPE married MARY FOGG 25.06.1832..and had the following children:
Jane Anne 12.08.1832....John 27.04.1834....Sarah Ann 10.04.1836...Mary 24.03.1838...Elizabeth Ellen 09.01.1842....Thomas 30.04.1843 (All these show father's occupation as Tailor..the following show Father's occupation as Mercer/Grocer..did James change Trades or is this a different family?? Census records will tell....)
Harriet Emily 04.01.1846...Lucy 14.11.1847.....Clara Esther 20.11.1849...Louise 03.04.1852...george 24.12.1853....James Henry 28.10.1857 (Father's occupation Draper and tailor..make of that what you will!)

James Hope was buried at Hartington 11.12.1877 aged 72...His father Thomas was buried Hartington 20.08.1818 age 50....his mother Jane was buried 26.08.1815 aged 43....
MARY FOGG his wife was baptised 22.07.1818 and was buried 11.05.1865 aged 46....

These were the earliest HOPES at Hartington..though there were a WILLIAM and Elizabeth and family...and the erstwhile Vicar of Hartington was Benjamin Hope who married Rhoda Fogg..they are both buried at Hartington.

I have a few Marriages and burials....but I am now very tired and going to bed!!
Good luck
Derek.
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 06:38 BST (UK) »
Wow, very useful and interesting. Thank you Derek and Philip. All of use to the history group.

I need to go on a hunt in the churchyard and check inside for info on the walls, etc.

Thanks Donna
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Re: Hartington History Ancestry Group - The HOPE family
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 October 18 12:12 BST (UK) »
Hello Donna..here are the HOPE Burials at Hartington. You will almost certainly find Benjamin and Rhoda because he was the Vicar...
Buried:-
Benjamin 02.01.1815 aged 51 wife of William below (nee Bassett)
Rhoda his wife 16.04.1829 aged71
Elizabeth 22.01.1869 aged 81
George 26.06.1812 infant son of Thomas and Jane
Hannah 06.01.1801 infant daughter of Thomas and Jane
JAMES 11.12.1877 aged 72
Jane wife of Thomas mother of James 26.08.1815 aged 43
Mary 11.05.1865 aged 46
Thomas husband of Jane father of James 20.08.1818 aged 50
Thomas 18.03.1862 aged 37..son of William and Elizabeth nee Bassett
William 09.05.1866 aged 69..husband of Elizabeth nee Bassett

William and Elizabeth had six other children..two who died in infancy

MARRIAGES at Hartington:
 Elizabeth Ellen  married Frank Evans Jones 12.03.1866
Harriet Emily m James Whitacker 24.06.1874
John henry m Eva gertrude Lomas 11.04.1907
Maria Fogg Hope married Joseph Carter 14.04.1867
Sarah . Thomas haworth 06.01.1859
William Hope married Elizabeth Bassett 11.01.1819 (seven children..the eldest Ann born only two months after the marriage!! Naughty peeps!!)
Sarah married Edmond hopper 10.09.1876
Sarah married Richard massey 10.07.1826
Benjamin (Reverend) married Rhoda Fogg 04.06.1798

The FOGGS seem to have been one of the biggest Hartingtom families.....

I was wrong to suggest this lot were the earliest HOPES in Hartington. The earliest records from about 1610 are fragmentary and unreadable..but there id the odd nugget..including two Marriages:

GUILIEMI HOPE (William) married Martha Challenor 10.05. 1705...probaby the son of PETRUS (Peter) HOPE who married MARIA BUXTON 22.09.1653 and had a son PETRI 27.12.1660..Maaria Buxton was baptised Hartington 21.12.1636.daughter of Guiliemi and Maria (from Heathcote0
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