Will of Roger Aylmer 1497

[Bookbox]

Snippet 9

... Cloos conteynyng be estimaceon vj Acr(es) abbuttyng upon y^e comon weye

called multon weye in Tytleshale to holde to y^e same John And to y^e

heyr(es) of hys body lawfully begoton under y^e condic(i)on y^t he forw(i)t(h) aft(er)

m(e)y decesse by hys dede of Releas sufficient in y^e lawe w(i)t(h) hys sealle

insealed relesse all hys right and tytill y^t he hathe or may have

in all y^e lond(es) and ten(emen)t(es) which I solde to y^e owners of y^e same lond(es)

in harliston and to yer heyr(es) & assignes for ev(er)mor(e) whan soev(er) he ...


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Tittleshall
Harleston
yer = their

[Bookbox]

Snippet 10

... therto be required be m(e)y executor(es) And und(er) y^is condic(i)on y^t he and hys

heyres for y^e seid cloos pyghtell wode and cloos in tytteleshale be-

forseid paye yerly to Thomas Aylem(er) hys Brother and hys heyres

vj s viij d of yerly rent forev(er)more orellys discharge y^e same Thom(a)s

and hys heyres for ev(er)mor(e) as vj s viij d of yerly Rent yerly payable

to y^e cheyf lordys of y^e fee for such other lond(es) & ten(amen)t(es) which I have

in Tytteleshale y^e which I have assigned to y^e same ^Thom(a)s hys^ heyr(es) and assignes

be y^is my last wyll And yf y^e seid John Deye w(i)t(h)oute heyr(e) of hys body

lawfully comying or yf he wyll nat relesse as is beforseid or ell yf he

wyll nat paye & discharge y^e seid Rent of vj s viij d as is beforseid y^an

I wull y^t y^e seid cloos cleped Westfeld w(i)t(h) y^e seid pyghtell and wode lying

be Batemanysyerd(es) And ye seide cloos conteynyng vj Acr(es) by estimac(i)on ...

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orellys = or else
Deye = die
wyll nat relesse = will not release
y^an = than (= then)
cleped = called

[WillowG]

Thank you so much, Bookbox!!! This was utterly amazing!!!

called multon weye in Tytleshale to holde to y^e same John And to y^e heyr(es) of hys body lawfully begoton

So John Aylmer was left land in Tivetshall? The very same Tivetshall that Bishop John Aylmer is said to have come from? The same Bishop John Aylmer whose father is said to have been a John Aylmer?

Now that is very interesting indeed!

Thomas Aylem(er) hys Brother and hys heyres vj s viij d of yerly rent forev(er)more orellys discharge y^e same Thom(a)s and hys heyres for ev(er)mor(e) as vj s viij d of yerly Rent yerly payable to y^e cheyf lordys of y^e fee for such other lond(es) & ten(amen)t(es) which I have in Tytteleshale y^e which I have assigned to y^e same ^Thom(a)s hys^ heyr(es) and assignes

If I am understanding the above quote correctly, he also left some land in Tivetshall to John's brother Thomas, which is the land in Tivetshall that was later left to Alexander Aylmer.

I meant to comment on the below in my last post, but I forgot

Robt Aylemer m(e)y sone to holde  to hym for terme of hys lyfe w(i)t(h)out impechement of Waste And yf it happen the seid Robt do gete any Issue male in lawfulle matrimony aft my decesse than I wull that all m(e) seid landes & ten(emen)tes w(i)t(h) thapp(er)ten(a)ntes in the seid towne of Suff aft the decesse of the seid Robt remayne to the said Issue male And to the eyres male of hys body lawfully ^begoton^ And for the defawte of suche Issue male I wull

It is very strange that we know that Robert did in fact get a son ... I guess we know also now know for that Alexander was born after 1497

which I solde to y^e owners of y^e same lond(es) in harliston

Batemanysyerd(es)

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[WillowG]

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As we remember, Bishop Ailmer in 1070 was Bishop of Elmham You ... literally cannot make this stuff up! This I thought was absolutely incredible

Also, since we know that it was the fashion of the times to name children after your siblings it is not without the realm of possibility that Roger's son John Aylmer could have had a son Edmund, named after his brother, who our Bishop John Aylmer then named his son after ...

And since Roger's son John Aylmer also had a brother named Robert, it is not without the realm of possibility that he could aslo have had a son named Robert, who could be the Sir Robert Aylmer of Aylmer-hall that crops up in the book of Dr. Fuller ...

I am starting to regret expressing my doubts regarding the veracity of their existence in the other thread, since it seems as if I might have to eat my words, lololol.

Thank you so much again, Bookbox!!! You're an absolute star!!!

[Bookbox]

Thomas Aylem(er) hys Brother and hys heyres vj s viij d of yerly rent forev(er)more orellys discharge y^e same Thom(a)s and hys heyres for ev(er)mor(e) as vj s viij d of yerly Rent yerly payable to y^e cheyf lordys of y^e fee for such other lond(es) & ten(amen)t(es) which I have in Tytteleshale y^e which I have assigned to y^e same ^Thom(a)s hys^ heyr(es) and assignes

If I am understanding the above quote correctly, he also left some land in Tivetshall to John's brother Thomas, which is the land in Tivetshall that was later left to Alexander Aylmer.

In general, that is how I would understand it, but I'm afraid I haven't been following the bequests closely enough to know whether it is exactly the same piece of land that was passed on to Alexander.

Robt Aylemer m(e)y sone to holde  to hym for terme of hys lyfe w(i)t(h)out impechement of Waste And yf it happen the seid Robt do gete any Issue male in lawfulle matrimony aft my decesse than I wull that all m(e) seid landes & ten(emen)tes w(i)t(h) thapp(er)ten(a)ntes in the seid towne of Suff aft the decesse of the seid Robt remayne to the said Issue male And to the eyres male of hys body lawfully ^begoton^ And for the defawte of suche Issue male I wull

It is very strange that we know that Robert did in fact get a son ... I guess we know also now know for that Alexander was born after 1497

I think it would be safer to say born after 1492, when the will was written, rather than 1497, when it was proved.

[horselydown86]

Snippet #11 (all I have time for at the moment):

...in Tytleshale forseid remayne to elyse m(e)y dowght(er) wyfe of y^e seid

Thom(a)s Brampton and to y^e heyres of hir body lawfully begoten And

for defawte  of suche Issue of hyr body laufully begoten y^e seid cloos

called westfeld w(i)^t(h) y^e seid pyghtell & wode lying by Bateman(n)ysyerdes and

y^e seid cloos conteyny(n)g vj Acr(es) in Tytleshale forseid remayne to y^e ryght

heyres of y^e seide elyse in ffee sympyll for ev(er)more It(e)m I wyll y^t y^e

seid Thomas Aylem(er) m(e)y soon have all m(e)y od(er) londes & tenementes in

Tytleshale beforeseid to hold to hym hys heyres and assignes forev(er)more

he paying to John Cook of Norwich draper or to hys executores y^e xxij

li y^t I owe hym for y^e place y^t I dwell in in Norwich at Suche dayes

as I ^am^ charged to y^e seid John Cook for y^e seid xxij li yt(e)m I wull y^t y^e

same londes & tenementes be sold be m(e)y executores and y^e mony therof...

[Bookbox]

Snippet #12

... comyng disposed to y^e helthe of m(e)y sowle  It(e)m I wull y^t aft(er) y^t m(e)y seid

place in Norwich in saint stephyn parysshe in y^e which I dwelle wyth

thapp(ur)tennces be sold be m(e)y executor(is) be good advise and helpe of

Thomas Bokenh(a)m Alderman of Norwich  It(e)m I wull y^t y^e Wardeyn

and Covent of y^e ffryer minors in Norwich have y^e viij li which

I have assigned byfor(e) by this m(e)y p(re)sent wyll as it may growe of

y^e sale of y^e same place  And I beqweth(e) to Anne m(e)y dowghter x m(a)rc(is)

or x li of y^e sale of y^e same place yf it may be borne  And y^e re-

men(a)nt of y^e mony comying of y^e sale of y^e same place I wull it be ...

[WillowG]

Thomas Aylem(er) hys Brother and hys heyres vj s viij d of yerly rent forev(er)more orellys discharge y^e same Thom(a)s and hys heyres for ev(er)mor(e) as vj s viij d of yerly Rent yerly payable to y^e cheyf lordys of y^e fee for such other lond(es) & ten(amen)t(es) which I have in Tytteleshale y^e which I have assigned to y^e same ^Thom(a)s hys^ heyr(es) and assignes

If I am understanding the above quote correctly, he also left some land in Tivetshall to John's brother Thomas, which is the land in Tivetshall that was later left to Alexander Aylmer.

In general, that is how I would understand it, but I'm afraid I haven't been following the bequests closely enough to know whether it is exactly the same piece of land that was passed on to Alexander.

Alright, thanks We of course now also have the below quote from HD's transcription of snippet 11:

I wyll y^t y^e seid Thomas Aylem(er) m(e)y soon have all m(e)y od(er) londes & tenementes in Tytleshale beforeseid to hold to hym hys heyres and assignes forev(er)more

This is the exact quote from Alexander Aylmer's will of 1549 I was thinking about:

Itm I wull that Anne my wyff shall have all my landes and Ten(emen)ts lying in Tyvetshale Saint Margaret in the cowntie of Norff - called Intwoode Batemans and pullents close with all the landes woodes pastures wayes medowes pathes waters com(m)ons and fedinges as before is reputed as p(ar)cell of the same with thappurtenaces To have and to houlde to her duringw her naturall lyff according as she is insured in by the lawe for her joynter And after hir decease then I woll yt shall remayn unto will(ia)m my son(n)e and heyre accordinge to my Uncle Thomas Aylemers wyll.

It is of course almost impossible to state outright that this is exactly the same piece of land, but we are certainly circling around Tivetshall St. Margaret!

Robt Aylemer m(e)y sone to holde  to hym for terme of hys lyfe w(i)t(h)out impechement of Waste And yf it happen the seid Robt do gete any Issue male in lawfulle matrimony aft my decesse than I wull that all m(e) seid landes & ten(emen)tes w(i)t(h) thapp(er)ten(a)ntes in the seid towne of Suff aft the decesse of the seid Robt remayne to the said Issue male And to the eyres male of hys body lawfully ^begoton^ And for the defawte of suche Issue male I wull

It is very strange that we know that Robert did in fact get a son ... I guess we know also now know for that Alexander was born after 1497

I think it would be safer to say born after 1492, when the will was written, rather than 1497, when it was proved.

That is an excellent, excellent point Thank you so much, Bookbox

[WillowG]

Thank you so much, HD and Bookbox!!! Wonderful work as always! Getting anywhere with this family would have been utterly impossible without you!

Snippet #11 (all I have time for at the moment):

...in Tytleshale forseid remayne to elyse m(e)y dowght(er) wyfe of y^e seid

Thom(a)s Brampton and to y^e heyres of hir body lawfully begoten And

for defawte  of suche Issue of hyr body laufully begoten y^e seid cloos

called westfeld w(i)^t(h) y^e seid pyghtell & wode lying by Bateman(n)ysyerdes and

y^e seid cloos conteyny(n)g vj Acr(es) in Tytleshale forseid remayne to y^e ryght

heyres of y^e seide elyse in ffee sympyll for ev(er)more It(e)m I wyll y^t y^e

seid Thomas Aylem(er) m(e)y soon have all m(e)y od(er) londes & tenementes in

Tytleshale beforeseid to hold to hym hys heyres and assignes forev(er)more

he paying to John Cook of Norwich draper or to hys executores y^e xxij

li y^t I owe hym for y^e place y^t I dwell in in Norwich at Suche dayes

as I ^am^ charged to y^e seid John Cook for y^e seid xxij li yt(e)m I wull y^t y^e

same londes & tenementes be sold be m(e)y executores and y^e mony therof...

Is it possible elyse could be olyve?

More pyghtell I love that word! And Thomas Aylmer was definitely left property in Tivetshall! As I speculate upthread, I think this could be the same land Thomas Aylmer left his nephew Alexander and which is mentioned in Alexander Aylmer's will of 1549, 57 years later:

Itm I wull that Anne my wyff shall have all my landes and Ten(emen)ts lying in Tyvetshale Saint Margaret in the cowntie of Norff - called Intwoode Batemans and pullents close with all the landes woodes pastures wayes medowes pathes waters com(m)ons and fedinges as before is reputed as p(ar)cell of the same with thappurtenaces To have and to houlde to her duringw her naturall lyff according as she is insured in by the lawe for her joynter And after hir decease then I woll yt shall remayn unto will(ia)m my son(n)e and heyre accordinge to my Uncle Thomas Aylemers wyll.

The phrasing makes it seem as if it were a little entailed (if one might phrase it like that!) to Alexander's son William after Alexander

Snippet #12

... comyng disposed to y^e helthe of m(e)y sowle  It(e)m I wull y^t aft(er) y^t m(e)y seid

place in Norwich in saint stephyn parysshe in y^e which I dwelle wyth

thapp(ur)tennces be sold be m(e)y executor(is) be good advise and helpe of

Thomas Bokenh(a)m Alderman of Norwich  It(e)m I wull y^t y^e Wardeyn

and Covent of y^e ffryer minors in Norwich have y^e viij li which

I have assigned byfor(e) by this m(e)y p(re)sent wyll as it may growe of

y^e sale of y^e same place  And I beqweth(e) to Anne m(e)y dowghter x m(a)rc(is)

or x li of y^e sale of y^e same place yf it may be borne  And y^e re-

men(a)nt of y^e mony comying of y^e sale of y^e same place I wull it be ...

St Stephen's Church in Norwich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Stephen%27s_Church,_Norwich

Brass of Thomas Bokenham (d.1460) with mention of his son, also called Thomas Bokenham, who was alderman and progressed to be mayor
http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/brass%20of%20the%20month%20february%202013.html

The Friars Minor of Norwich - List of All the Different Friaries at Norwich - There Were A Lot
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/norf/vol2/pp428-433

And of course he has a daughter Anne that he has not mentioned before ... Of course he has I cannot find anything else about this Anne, as of yet, except of course that Edmund's daughter, Frances Aylmer the Elder's sister Anne, might have been named for her, her aunt

Thank you so much, HD and Bookbox!!! I am really having so much fun with this, and I am so grateful for your help!!!