Author Topic: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497  (Read 6686 times)

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 09:00 BST (UK) »
I was just about to post the same thing HD - you pipped me to it.  :)

I was looking up the church he wanted the priest to go to.
I wonder if it could have been this one?

http://www.saintsinrome.com/2013/08/st-fabian.html
The church is San Sebastiano Fuori Le Mura, and there is a chapel to St Fabian in it - he was a 3rd Century Pope.
So saint Fabian and saint Sebastian? - Saint Fabyan and Bastyan in the will.

And Scala Sancta?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scala_Sancta
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 16:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, HD and Goldie! :) :D :) I so love coming back here and seeing your input!

It(e)m to ye pryores of Carrowe iij s iiij d And to ev(er)y Nunne of ye same place xijd

The Aylmers were awfully fond of the nuns at Carrow, weren't they? :) Perhaps that's why they had to go on so many pilgrimages ... *g* Sorry, that wasn't funny. *coughs*

I wull he go on pylgrymage for me to ye Courte of Rome And yer go ye stac(i)ons of Rome and dayly whyll he is ther(e) & disposed I wull yt oon day he saye a masse for my sowle at Scala celi And anoder at seintes ffabyan and Bastyan

So Roger Aylmer was the one who started the rootin'-tootin' Aylmer will tradition of sending people on pilgrimages! No barefoot ones yet, but then again it's early days yet will-wise.

Though that was probably the next guy's addition in order to top this one's pilgrimage. *g*

I was just about to post the same thing HD - you pipped me to it.  :)

I was looking up the church he wanted the priest to go to.
I wonder if it could have been this one?

http://www.saintsinrome.com/2013/08/st-fabian.html
The church is San Sebastiano Fuori Le Mura, and there is a chapel to St Fabian in it - he was a 3rd Century Pope.
So saint Fabian and saint Sebastian? - Saint Fabyan and Bastyan in the will.

And Scala Sancta?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scala_Sancta

Ooh, yes, I believe you must be right! That was super-interesting! :) :D :) Well done finding those!

Thank you so much the both of you!!! :) :-* :) This is wonderful! I am loving these wills :)

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 22:59 BST (UK) »
and I wull he have for hys labo(r) A ?   is beforseid be the discression
of m(e)y executors. Itm I require Robt Wode late of Colton & John
palin of Costesey m(e)y feoffes of and in all m(e)y landes & ten(ement)es
w(i)t(h) the p(er)tenintes in Catyngton Brundysshe & Wylbey in the Counte
of Suff th(a)t ther make a state(?) therof in fee sympyll to m(e)y executors or
to suche persones as ther shall name when so en ther or eny of them
therto be required And I wyll th(a)t w(i)t(h) the Issues & the p(ro)fyghtes thereof  co-
myng m(e)y executors do fynde an honest preste to synge for m(e)y sowle

And m(e)y frendes sowlys be the space of ij yeres as soon as it can be done aft
m(e)y decesse. And Also w(i)t(h) the seid Issues & p(ro)fyghtes m(e)y executors do paye
All the dettes whiche I owe and are comprysed in a byll herto Annexed
to And Also th(a)t w(i)t(h) the seide Issues an yerday(?) for my sowle & for the sowlyes
of m(e)y fader & moder yerly be kept in the churche of Catyington be the space
of xx th yeres next aft m(e)y decesse And more and whane my executors of
the seid Issues & p(ro)fyghtes have receyved xvj iiij s for the exhibicon of
the seid preste syngying & preying as is beforseid by the space of the seid
ij yeres And when my executors have founde the meane th(a)t m(e)y seid
dettes shall be payde and m(e)y yerday kept as is beforseid that which I wull


Couldn't find what a 'yerday' was - no doubt HD will know if the letters are not that.
Obviously some sort of special prayer for him after his  burial.
They certainly kept the clergy in business didn't they?!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 October 18 00:10 BST (UK) »
yerday = 'yearday', the anniversary of his death/burial.


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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 October 18 06:04 BST (UK) »
Just a few minor suggestions to add to goldie's work on Snippet #5:

Line 1:  ...as is beforeseid...

Line 5:

You are right with  ...make a state therof...

We had this phrase in one of the earlier wills.  Sometimes it's written astate.

Lines 5 and 6:

The word you have as yer or ther actually ends with an i plus a flourish (although it looks very like an r).

So it is:   yei/thei = they

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 October 18 08:53 BST (UK) »
yerday = 'yearday', the anniversary of his death/burial.

Good thinking Bookbox.  :)
Not come across this before.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 October 18 08:55 BST (UK) »
Just a few minor suggestions to add to goldie's work on Snippet #5:

Line 1:  ...as is beforeseid...

Well how silly!
I was trying to make it into some sort of monetary payment for his trouble, and there it is a simple 's'.
Doh!
The capital A didn't help!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 October 18 21:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, Goldie, Bookbox and HD!!! :) :D :) I truly don't know what I would have done without you! :) :-* :)

Itm I require Robt Wode late of Colton

Robt Wode = Robert Wood? = A relative of Elizabeth de Wood and John at Wood?

Itm I require Robt Wode late of Colton & John palin of Costesey m(e)y feoffes of and in all m(e)y landes & ten(ement)es w(i)t(h) the p(er)tenintes in Catyngton Brundysshe & Wylbey in the Counte
of Suff th(a)t ther make a state(?) therof in fee sympyll to m(e)y executors or to suche persones as ther shall name when so en ther or eny of them therto be required

What does this part mean? Are they his 'feoffes'? Isn't that usually a part of land? :) I presume it means a bequest of some kind to the penitents (prisoners?) of Catington and Wilby, but I can't make the sentence out?

Couldn't find what a 'yerday' was - no doubt HD will know if the letters are not that.
Obviously some sort of special prayer for him after his  burial.
They certainly kept the clergy in business didn't they?!

LOL, yes! I wonder if the clergy actually did this? If they kept detailed lists and actually held masses for people for years? I think in one will the testator wanted masses to be said for him and his wife for a hundred years ... :)

yerday = 'yearday', the anniversary of his death/burial.

That is super-fascinating! Never knew this, thank you! :)

m(e)y fader & moder

And of course he makes no reference to what his parents are actually called ::) I say, here we go to all of this trouble, finding the will, cutting it down into appropriate snippets, transcribing/translating/deciphering said snippets, and then people can't even be bothered to name people properly! I for one think it's abominably rude *g* Though I suppose he might be excused in that he knew them ;D

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Re: Will of Roger Aylmer 1497
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 October 18 21:55 BST (UK) »
Also th(a)t w(i)t(h) the seide Issues an yerday(?) for my sowle & for the sowlyes
of m(e)y fader & moder yerly be kept in the churche of Catyington be the space
of xx th yeres next aft m(e)y decesse

Loads more references to Catyngton. It seems to be were his parents are buried, or at least it can be interpreted that way, based on the above ...

And one to:

Wylbey in the Counte of Suff

We have encountered Wilby in connection with the Aylmers before. Some new and some old information below :)

HINDRINGHAM
The capital lordship of this town belonged to the Bishop of Elmham; and Ailmer the Bishop held it with 4 carucates of land in King Edward's reign.

William Beaufoe was lord of it, and Bishop of Thetford, at the survey. In Ailmer's time 11 villain, 20 borderers, 8 servi, and 4 carucates belonged to it in demean, 5 carucates of the men, or tenants, paunage for 10 swine, a mill, 5 acres of meadow, &c. 160 sheep, 6 vessels, or skeps of bees, and 7 socmen had half a carucate of land, and they ploughed in King Edward's time 2 carucates; it was then valued at 10l. but at the survey at 15l. per ann. and was one leuca long, and one broad, and paid 2s. gelt. (fn. 1)

Bishop Beaufoe had invaded, or seized on and retained as his own right, and a lay fee, 8 freemen who held 3 carucates of land, and 14 borderers who held under the said Bishop Ailmer, who had paunage for 10 swine, 5 acres of meadow, and 5 carucates, valued at 40s. after at 50s. and William Denvers had a moiety of this land. (fn. 2)


Wilby's Manor
Another part of this great episcopal lordship was in the hands of the ancient family of De Burgolion; and Ralph, son of John de Rudham, held half a fee, of Robert Burgolion, in the time of King Henry III. and he of the Bishop; and in the 3d of Edward I. William le Burguillon, of Snaring, was found to hold the same, and to have enfeoffed John de Rudham, of the same, in his life time, for which reason the jury was in doubt whether Walter, his heir, should be in ward to William Lord Bardolf, who held it of the Bishop, or no, this being a greater enfeoffment than Kerdeston manor, from William de Say. Eschaet.

In the 13th of Edward II. Ralph de Rudham, by deed dated, confirmed to Roger Hervi, of this town, certain herbage lands, and John Agar, Joan Hervey, &c. held a quarter of a fee, in the 20th of that King, of Hugh de Burgelyon, and at the said time, John de Wilby, and Joan Hervey held half a fee of Ralph de Astley, and he of the Bishop, which Ralph, son of John de Rudham, formerly had; it appears that Hervey's part was 5 messuages, 84 acres of land, 16 of meadow here, and in Thursford.

In the 5th of Henry VI. Thomas Beaufort Duke of Exeter, died seized (as lord of Wrongey, the Bardolf's estate) of three quarters of a fee here, &c. held by William Shelton, and the fourth part of one held by John Wilby, and in the 22d of Henry VIII. this lordship of Wilby was possessed by John Hall of Halsted, in Lincolnshire.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol9/pp226-231