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Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« on: Wednesday 03 October 18 16:41 BST (UK) »
Good day,
Please could those who know shorthand look at the attached letter, and decipher it for me.
It is likely to be an acrimonious letter as my grandparents were on the verge of divorcing.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Melanie

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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Melanie, welcome to Rootschat! 

This looks like Pitman shorthand and I'm sure the clever folk on here will be able to help you. 
Having had a quick look I can read a bit of lines 14 and 15 - something like
Line 14 :  ~~~~ 4 years when ~ first left me
Line 15 : ~~~~2 months ago/ but returned to me after that

Can you think of any names or places that might be referred to in this writing?  It can be difficult to work out things like that where the writer has made up their own squiggles so any clues you can give might help us along.
Will have another look at this later if someone else hasn't deciphered it all by then  :)
Heather
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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hello Heather,

Thanks very much for replying.

Names that might come up are:
Eliza Fowles
Victor (both father and son called Victor)
Bertha
Maria

Any place names would be in South Africa:
Johannesburg
Brakpan

Kind regards,
Melanie



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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 20:58 BST (UK) »
Just had a quick look - it is about her marriage.  Will read through and see how much I can transcribe for you.

Regards
GS
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 21:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much.
The context is that Eliza was separated and about to divorce her husband, Victor.
Thanks, GS.
Regards,
Melanie

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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 21:51 BST (UK) »
I'll post what I've got for the beginning of the page, and then perhaps Heather or another Pitman writer can help to fill in the gaps.

....... and married my husband
4/2/25 at Joburg.  This is a copy of my marriage certificate.
At the time of my marriage my husband was living in Brakpan and
had been living there about five years.  ..........
and to his mother  living in Brakpan  still living there.
My husband worked but .............................  It is a
...........................................................................
It is not a permanent job but temporary.  He's doing it about 2 years.


Have you any idea what Victor did for a living Melanie?  I am having difficulty reading the outlines.  Did he work on the railway, for example, as there's an abbreviation which might be railway.  Also there is a complicated outline relating to the job he was doing which begins with 'br' or 'pr'.

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GS
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 October 18 23:15 BST (UK) »
Long time since I used shorthand, but I can decipher a few words, but I have Gregg shorthand!

SM ...
Every time I find an ancestor,
I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 October 18 08:12 BST (UK) »
Hi GS,

Thank you very much! Amazing to have hieroglyphics made into English!

Victor worked as a plumber for the Brakpan Town Council / Municipality for most of his work career, as far as I know.

The Brakpan railway station might be referenced - I think that would have been one of the main forms of transport for them.

Eliza once lived in an area called Turffontein, in case that is mentioned. Eliza's maiden name was 'Angwin'. 

Victor was living in Kitzinger Avenue during this period of dispute. He may have also been in Northdene Avenue.   
Eliza was living in Wendon Avenue. 
The municipal jurisdiction was called Witwatersrand.


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Re: Help needed to decipher shorthand letter written by my grandmother.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 October 18 08:17 BST (UK) »
The 'married at' might be Boksburg or the abbreviation for Johannesburg which is Joburg.