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Re: George Best
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 October 18 18:07 BST (UK) »
You'll find Elizabeth "Keen" in Worcester in 1881 - Henry not with her, but I think she is the Elizabeth with whom he later settles in Wales.  She has a 10 yr old Henry Keen with her in 1881 who may be the same person as the Henry William Keen who was born to Henry and Prudence in 1871. 

Mary Ann Keen from 1871 (aged 3) seems to become Mary Ann Best, with George and Prudence, in 1881 (aged 13).  She would probably have been born before Prudence's marriage to Henry Keen so I am not sure exactly who her parents are.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Best
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 October 18 18:16 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Keen has two children with surname Paish with her in Worcester in 1881: Alice 8 and Ernest 5.

In 1891 they are in Wales with Henry and Elizabeth:

Alice (Rogers) as a lodger, with her husband and child

Ernest as Ernest Paish Keen, 14 b Worcs, stepson of Henry Keen.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Best
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 October 18 18:20 BST (UK) »
I see that Prudence died as Prudence Keen in 1897 - haven't found her yet in 1891. 
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: George Best
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 October 18 20:03 BST (UK) »
Iíll have a look when I get home and see if Iíve got anything.

My apologies for originally  misleading you earlier about Prudence Keen being in the 1881 census, by the way - it was 1871 I had a note of.

It certainly looks like a family mystery is being cleared up - thank you so much again for your help!

Jonny :-)

I see that Prudence died as Prudence Keen in 1897 - haven't found her yet in 1891.
Browne/Brown, Rea/Reay/Ray, Walker, Breedon, Rowley, Smith, Lock, Davis, Griffin, Underhill, Dainter, Best, Lockett

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Re: George Best
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 October 18 21:30 BST (UK) »
And I had visions of a gifted footballer .......  ;D
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Re: George Best
« Reply #14 on: Friday 05 October 18 10:57 BST (UK) »
Hi

Iíve had a look and unless Iím missing something I canít see Prudence (either Keen or Best) or George in 1891 either.

Jonny


I see that Prudence died as Prudence Keen in 1897 - haven't found her yet in 1891.
Browne/Brown, Rea/Reay/Ray, Walker, Breedon, Rowley, Smith, Lock, Davis, Griffin, Underhill, Dainter, Best, Lockett

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 05 October 18 11:43 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann Keen was baptised at St Peter, Birmingham on 4 July 1870 (age not stated but sheíd have been about 2 or 3 years old.

Parents: Henry (a sweep) and Prudence, of Rope Walk.

She married aged ď19Ē on 1 February 1886 at Bishop Ryder, Birmingham to Herbert James Bates, 22, a hawker.

Mary Ann named her father as Henry William Keen, a sweep.  Witnesses: Thomas Danter, Elizabeth Hanson.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 05 October 18 11:49 BST (UK) »
Later on Mary Ann (Bates) cites her exact birthdate as 9 April 1867.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)