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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 11 October 18 13:52 BST (UK) »
Are you saying every Leeds wedding that states 'Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds' is Cavendish Street also?

As Dawn says, you'd need to check the reference number shown at Ancestry against the WYAS catalogue or pdf list of registers, or use the Yorkshire BMD method I suggested, to be absolutely certain.

On the face of it, though, "St Andrew's Leeds" (etc) would appear to mean the one in Cavendish Street. If you look for other St Andrew's churches in the WYAS list or the Yorkshire BMD coverage, you'll see that their names include the suburbs they are in - Stanningley/Rodley and Stourton.

What reference number?

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 11 October 18 14:10 BST (UK) »
At the bottom of the image of the (Ancestry) marriage entry is the WYAS reference - P62/20/11 (for 1914) - then that ties in with the WYAS Collection Guide Reference which indicates that St Andrew, Leeds is RPD62

Amended:  should read RDP62   :-*



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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 11 October 18 14:20 BST (UK) »
At the bottom of the image of the (Ancestry) marriage entry is the WYAS reference - P62/20/11 (for 1914) - then that ties in with the WYAS Collection Guide Reference which indicates that St Andrew, Leeds is RPD62.

Yes RPD62 - so every marriage that is RPD62 is St Andrew's Church, Cavendish Street?

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 11 October 18 14:38 BST (UK) »
No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number

Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers

http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf

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Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 11 October 18 15:59 BST (UK) »
There are also images for marriages at St George, and the heading for each marriage clearly states "Marriage solemnised at the Parish Church in the parish of St George, Leeds".  The WYAS reference under the images (for 1914) states RDP62/16.

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 11 October 18 16:09 BST (UK) »
No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number

Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers

http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf

interesting link, but no mention of RPD62

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 11 October 18 16:10 BST (UK) »
Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?

One.

At least, that is normally the case. Very exceptionally where there's an ancient church and a newer one in the same parish, both may be given the status of parish church, but the usual situation is one parish = one parish church. Any other churches in the parish would be described as a chapel of ease, district church or daughter church.

In this case, the parish of St Andrew's was created out of St George's parish in 1845. It would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a parish created at that date to have more than one parish church in it.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 11 October 18 16:14 BST (UK) »
No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number

Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers

http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf

interesting link, but no mention of RPD62

Somehow a typo has crept in - look for RDP62.

You can also have a look at the main catalogue which I mentioned before:
...and the page in the catalogue where St Andrew's appears under the overall heading of St George:
http://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=LDR1963%2f2
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Trouble with old marriage records and Leeds Parish Church's
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 11 October 18 16:15 BST (UK) »
" ake another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers

http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf "

See page 28 of 51

Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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