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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 October 18 22:19 BST (UK) »
Canít see a marriage for William Penn to Eliza(beth) Hussey yet either, but the GRO births Penn / Hussey match the censuses with William, shoemaker, and Eliza   :-\
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 October 18 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think that the Southwark Mary Penn is too old to be the mother of Ann Elizabeth in 1887.
The London born one in Northampton has the advantage of marrying Mr Stephens! Haven't found her in 1881 though.
Her place of birth in 1901 might be supposed to mean St George in the East, close to Shadwell?
John

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 October 18 22:56 BST (UK) »
She was (as far as we know) the only child born to the marriage which makes sense if she was older, but yes i agree that she was a bit old in 1887 to be Ann Elizabethís mother ;D

Found the baptisms for the children of William and Eliza Penn of St Georgeís Southwark and St Mary Newington. The one for Mary though gives her name as Mary Ann not Mary Jane so the negatives are mounting  >:(
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 October 18 12:29 BST (UK) »
Best I can come up with for a marriage was at St Sepulchre in Northampton, 11 May 1845
William Penn
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Elizabeth Mattason

Hi John, where did you find the details (date and church). Just wondering if Williamís occupation is included? Thanks.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 October 18 13:49 BST (UK) »
Hi
11 May 1845, St Sepulchre, Northampton
William Penn, of full age, Bachelor, Shoemaker, residence Scarletwell Street, father William Penn, Shoemaker
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Elizabeth Mattason, Minor, Spinster, Compton Street, father John Mattason, Shoemaker
by Banns
witnessed by Abraham Mattason, Hannah Hardwick
All marked.

Is on ancestry in the Northamptonshire records.
John

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 October 18 14:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks John, So William was a shoemaker, thatís a good start. Wasnít expecting them to travel about so much (especially shoemakers, not like ag labs searching for work) to then be in London for Maryís birth. At least when Maryís 2nd husband moved down to south Wales it was to work on the sinking of the Llanbradach pit. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Looking for Mary Jane Penn, born London around 1843.
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 October 18 15:19 BST (UK) »
Canít link either of these William Penns to Mary Jane and a marriage / death to a Stephens so think Iíll leave it for now and follow another line. Thanks for all the help.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....