Jane caird/card

[rosie99]

Just found the Jane born Stratton in 1851 with son Robert
HO107 / 1518 f204 p32

BARNES, ROBERT       mmn CHURCH     
1851  March  Quarter in ST JAMES CLERKENWELL  Volume 03  Page 151



Later census for the 1861 family has a son Enos - his birth also has mmn Church

ADDED
Marriages Jun qtr 1847   
BARNES    William       
Church    Jane       
Greenwich    5   288

Marriage was at St Nicholas, Deptford  27 June 1847

[ribbo39]

Hi Elaine,

If the info supplied by rosie99 is the one to go for; then there is this bapt. in Swindon Christchurch with St.Mary,
7-11-1824 the d/o William & Jane Church, shoemaker.

Her age more or less ties in with the 1851 & 1871 censuses.
Alan

[Annette7]

I agree wholeheartedly with the last comments - all their childrens births show mmn as Church and the correct marriage is:

William Barnes, labourer, son of William Barnes, labourer married Jane Church, dau. of William Church, shoemaker on 27/6/1847 St. Nicholas, Deptford.

The baptism found for Jane is clearly the right one (earlier census states born Stratton, but later states Swindon).

I'm worried by your statement 'I have William's ancestry' and since the tree on Ancestry states he was son of an Ambrose Barnes I hope you are not going by that! From the marriage we know this is incorrect as states his father was a William.

Annette

[rosie99]

1841  Stratton Green, Stratton St Margaret
HO107/1178 bk27 f19 p30

William Church -Cordwainer - not bn in County
Rest of family bn Wiltshire
Jane 40
William 22
Robert 20
Jane  16
Luiza 14
Mary 11
John 9
Thomas 7
Roseanna 5

[Ladyhawk]

Hi, the only mention of marr is the record of william marrying in 1843 and showing poss brides and one is Jane caird.

I think the 1843 marriage Lambeth

Jane CAIRD may have married Thomas Griffin SMITH,
birth entries from GRO indexes

1845 Lambeth
Jane SMITH mmn CAIRD

1847 St George the Martyr Southwark
Thomas Griffin SMITH  mmn CAIRD     

Edited - this appears to be the family on 1851 c

Thomas SMITH Head 30 Southwark, Surrey Hawker of Fish
Jane Smith Wife 25 Southwark, Surrey
Jane Smith Daughter 6 Southwark, Surrey
Thomas Smith Son 4 Southwark, Surrey
Mary Ann Smith Daughter 1 Southwark, Surrey

HO107 1564 / 228 / 26, Road Row Southwark

1849 Mary Ann SMITH mmn   CAIRD     
1856 Edward Smith mmn CAIRD

1861 Smith family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MG-9LMX

[rosie99]

Possible marriage for Janes parents

William Church (bachelor)
Jane Prior (Spinster)
Marr 8 Oct 1816
Dauntsey,    Wiltshire
Both of the parish
Witnesses Joseph Barnes & John Wheatley

[elaine gray]

Hi all, thanks for all the relpies. I had searched caird in dad and my dna results - zilch. Just searched Church and Dad got 35!!Wiltshire. Sun out and rain has stopped so away for long dog walk. Re ancestry of William, I had taken details from a tree when I first started researching abt 8 years ago and should have checked that as I'm so cautious now. Will get onto this later. Will say church is spot on. Thanks once again, will be walking with my head down in shame. Will post my findings for other Barnes researchers.
Wellies on,
Elaine

[ribbo39]

Hi Elaine,

Enjoy your walk.

I think I have found William's bapt.
2-7-1826 Stratton St.Margaret - William Barnes s/o Ann Barnes of Stratton -  (no father listed so prseume he is illegitimate)

Alan

[elaine gray]

Hi, I have had a look at this, if Wm married stating he was the son of william then he is not illig son of Ann. Ambrose had sister Ann and brother William. So if this is the case, the rest of the line is correct. Ambrose is def not my direct ancestor. I also think that Prior fits and church is a definite. Thanks once again for the help. Elaine