Birkenhead parish records birth look up

[khalliday181]

If anyone has access to the Birkenhead parish records i'm looking for the parents of

Alexander F M Thorn and Beatrice May McCallum Thorn

Alexander's birth was registered in the 2nd quarter of 1904 in Birkenhead
Beatrice was born on the 15th May 1906 in Higher Tranmere, Birkenhead

The 1911 census gives their parents as Thomas Halliday and Ellen Cecilia Thorn. Thomas and Ellen married in 1909. Ellen was a spinster so i'm trying to figure out if they had the children out of wedlock or maybe they are niece and nephew of Ellen, or something else!

[PaulineJ]

Check the GRO Indexes to look for a mother's maiden name.

That'll give a decent clue to the father's name, given Alexander's full name.

[CaroleW]

Mothers maiden names were only shown on the register from Sept qtr 1911.

Use the reference from freebmd and then GRO online which gives mmn.  If you have ordered certs from GRO you will have a login id - if not it's free to register and to search

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

[CaroleW]

www.cheshirebmd.org.uk shows him as Alexander Frederick McCallum Thorn

[khalliday181]

Thanks all

It's the McCallum bit which doesn't fit.

It's not a family name on the Halliday side or with Ellen and her parents and siblings. There is no marriage record of Ellen marrying someone called McCallum.

I'd seen the 'F' but hadn't checked further but Fredrick makes sense because this was also a middle name of his grandfather.

I don't particularly want to order the birth certificate hence reaching out on here. 

[BumbleB]

If you check on GRO, as suggested by CaroleW, you will find that there is no mother's maiden name for either child's registration.   

[CaroleW]

So it’s very likely they are Ellen’s illegitimate children. 

[CaroleW]

Ellen was b 1876 Birkenhead and is with relatives in Liverpool in 1901 so no clues there

[dawnkaren]

ok been doing some checking the 2 older kids alex and Beatrice have no mothers maiden names on their birth entries on gro, ellen and Thomas marriage cert plus cencus info gives her dad as being Thomas thorn, further cencus info has her mum as being bridget COURTNEY  , born Ireland! is this where the mccallum comes from?