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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 22:10 BST (UK) »
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Have you found Thomas on the 1918 electoral register
The London ER only identifies a soldier as absent "a" next to name.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 22:13 BST (UK) »
I know that Jim, but it would tell us if he was in the military at that point. And if he wasn't an NM voter in 1918 it would not mean that he hadn't served earlier.
As with those birth certs, I am just suggesting the standard ways of ascertaining something of what was going on with Thomas 1914-18.

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 17 October 18 22:50 BST (UK) »
The stuff with Herbert has only got mixed in today, I knew he had enlisted because I’d seen his Attestation papers but didn’t know anything about his service but since we’ve found out the record that was found was Herbert’s and not Thomas’ I’ve discounted it and gone back to the original story.

I’ve been talking to my Mum and yes Thomas was definitely in the Army, this took place in France and was late 1914/early 1915. Thomas received gun shot wounds to the stomach, some of the shrapnel was never removed and he died from stomach cancer in Bethnal Green Hospital (don’t know if this is related to the shrapnel or not just repeating what she told me.)
Thomas was found by someone from his regiment and was fed snow to keep him alive until he reached the field hospital.
It was definitely Elizabeth and Thomas George who were on the ship (or boat as my Mum called it) that got torpedoed, they were almost in France when they were attacked, she doesn’t know the name of the ship or if it sank but she said Elizabeth ended up in the water.  Elizabeth and Thomas George both made it to France and did see Thomas in the field hospital, she doesn’t know if Thomas came home with them or at a later date but he was medically discharged.
On the 1911 Census Thomas is a Hawker but he had a Licenced Hawker’s badge and my Nan told my Mum Thomas got that because he was invalided out of the Army.  I asked her about an Army Pension but she’s not aware of one but then again she was only 4 when Thomas died.

I haven’t got Thomas George’s or Stanley’s birth certificates only their birth registrations:
Thomas George Bethnal Green 1 c 289
Stanley George Bethnal Green 1 c 154
and Stanley’s death registration Bethnal Green 1 c 362
Do their Birth and Death certificates contain their parents home address? and if I order pdf copies will that give me the information I’m looking for? Just checking.

I’ve seen Stanley’s Burial Record and thought I had downloaded it but can’t find it and have only written the plot number (F593) and death age (5 months) down. I can’t remember if it’s his or his sisters’ Florence who died in 1922 that said Bethnal Green Infirmary.

I haven’t found Thomas on the 1918 Electroral Register but only because I haven’t looked before now and wouldn’t have been sure of an address but I’d place money on it being Bethnal Green now.
Also I don’t know but would a Hawker be in a trade directory?

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 18 October 18 17:07 BST (UK) »
Blimey! I think I’ve found his Medal Roll Card.  :o
If the address in the bottom left hand corner says 20 Norah Street, Bethnal Green then that ties up with my Nan’s birth certificate.
I don’t know how to do a link so I’ve taken a screenshot.

Thomas Cole Private  6/197 2nd Rifle Bridgade


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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 18 October 18 17:23 BST (UK) »
Congratulations!  Your perseverance has paid off and I am most content to acknowledge there is a SWB identifiable to him.

He joined up on 29 October 1912 and was discharged with wounds 29 August 1917.  Was in India before the war broke out, arrived in France 7 November 1914.

You can now go to the war diaries:(first three here)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=2%20rifle%20brigade&_ep=diaries&_dss=range&_ro=any&_p=1900&_st=adv

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 18 October 18 17:24 BST (UK) »
Well done it looks like you've found him. discharged 29/8/17 (wounds) so a bit later than the story goes.
MaxD beat me to it.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 18 October 18 17:36 BST (UK) »
I’m so happy I’m literally dancing around the living room! It’s been driving me nuts not being able to find him.

Thank you guys for the additional info but please tell me how you are finding it? How do you know when he joined up and when he was discharged?

And thank you MaxD for the link to the war diaries, I didn’t think any of them were available online.

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 18 October 18 18:27 BST (UK) »
As you can see from his card he was awarded the SWB (silver war badge). These went to men who were invalided out of the Army. They are on Ancestry with that information.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mvo/
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Thomas Cole Bethnal Green
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 18 October 18 18:53 BST (UK) »
Why isn’t any of this coming up for him for me on Ancestry? I’ve got nothing in Hints. There must be something I’ve saved or something in the search fields that’s throwing it off.
I had to search through 197 Medal Roll Cards on the off chance of finding his and of course it was the 3rd from last.