Ralph Pentland Bothwell, Lanarkshire

[scotmum]

.  Pentland. —ln loving memory of my dear husband, Joseph Pentland, who died at 1 Duke Street, 10th July, 1901, aged 44 years

in Motherwell Times.

[Plonkish]

Struggling to see William in the censuses 

Did he die in 1888 in Dalziel at the age of 55?

Was he married to an Elizabeth Mair/Main, who died also in Dalziel in 1894 at the age of 57?

I can see two children to this couple:

Joseph Pentland b. 1857 in Bothwell
William John Pentland b. 1862 in Old Monkland

Can't easily see a Scottish marriage for them either. The 1862 birth of son William John should include a date and place of marriage for parents.

Monica

Sorry I'm late with a reply, work has been crazy!

Yes, that's them. Joseph born 1857 is my great, great grandfather. I estimated his father William John's birth year from his death certificate (he died aged 55 in 1888 and I have the death certificate). But, as already pointed out, the information is only as good as the person handing it over and maybe he wasn’t 55 years old?

William John was married to Elizabeth Main/Mair and I have her death certificate for 1894.
Joseph Pentland born 1857, died 1901 married Christina Gillespie 1884 (I have the marriage certificate that give the parent’s names as William Pentland and Elizabeth Mains). I also have Joseph’s brother’s birth certificate (born 1862), but not Joseph’s (it doesn’t help that his brother was also called William John!)

I also have a 1891 census in which Joseph aged 33, Christina aged 31, William aged 6 (my great grandfather), Margaret aged 4, James aged 2 appear.

I found the Pentlands to be more elusive than other sides of my family - there never seem to be many marriage certificates or appearances in the census. My dad wonders if they didn't just adopt the name at some point! 

[Plonkish]

.  Pentland. —ln loving memory of my dear husband, Joseph Pentland, who died at 1 Duke Street, 10th July, 1901, aged 44 years

in Motherwell Times.

Oh wow, yes that's my great, great grandfather. Thank you  I will have to look through the newspaper archives more!

[scotmum]

You said:

. I also have Joseph’s brother’s birth certificate (born 1862)     

which should, as MonicaL has already mentioned, note where and when his parents married (potentially helpful info for you to share with us, especially when they are elusive in census).

[Plonkish]

You said:

. I also have Joseph’s brother’s birth certificate (born 1862)     

which should, as MonicaL has already mentioned, note where and when his parents married (potentially helpful info for you to share with us, especially when they are elusive in census).

Yes, thank you. It looks like August 1855 but I can't make out the town. 

[Plonkish]

This is William Pentland's death notice 1888 with his parents listed as Ralph Pentland and Mary Pentland (McGowan)

[bevj]

Looks to me like ARMAGH, IRELAND

Bev

[Plonkish]

Entry here for 1891, following death of husband in 1888 possibly, for Elizabeth and son William:

Eliz Pentland 50 b. Ireland
William Pentland 28 Iron Work Labourer b. Old Monkland

Address: 6 Globe Buildings, Dalziel

Death of other son Joseph, aged 44, in 1901 in Dalziel?

Monica

Sorry, I missed this post. Yes, I think that is them! Joseph was with his wife Christina and family in Bridge Street, Motherwell while his mother and brother were in Globe Buildings.

Elizabeth died at Globe Building in 1894 and William died five years after this census. So Elizabeth is Irish then! Thank you, I can start to look in that direction  I haven't done any research in Ireland yet but I know the records were destroyed in some places.

[MonicaL]

Looks to me like ARMAGH, IRELAND

Bev

I think the word before Armagh is simply County.

Monica