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Offline CelticMom

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Birth on the index twice
« on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:05 BST (UK) »
Why would a birth be on the birth index twice. Once in 1972 and again in 1984. 1972 is when the person was born, so why is it on the index again in 1984?

Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:11 BST (UK) »
England or Scotland?
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:17 BST (UK) »
Did the parents marry each other in 1984?

Did they need a passport for the child and realise that something was registered incorrectly on the birth cert?

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:39 BST (UK) »
Parents married in 1973, but again in 1983 (long story) - all the children were reregistered in 1984 under the same names.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent


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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:43 BST (UK) »
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Parents married in 1973, but again in 1983 (long story) - all the children were reregistered in 1984 under the same names.

Where - England/Ireland/Scotland?  You have posted on the Common Room board so no clues at to location?
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 October 18 23:51 BST (UK) »
Parents married in 1973, but again in 1983 (long story) - all the children were reregistered in 1984 under the same names.

From the GRO site

"If the parents have married after the child was born, they are required to re-register the birth to have the natural father’s details added to the birth record."  So if this was England or Wales it looks as if that may be what has happened.
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 October 18 01:18 BST (UK) »
It was in England, sorry I though I put that already.

It doesn’t make sense though as they father was mentioned in the original birth cert, the names are also no different the were all registered under the fathers name originally, so I’m confused as to why they were all reregisteded again in 1984. I didn’t think this was possible?

It’s very likely the marriage in 1973 was not legal because he wasn’t divorced from first marriage, so this perhaps explains the second marriage to the same woman 10 years later, but not the reregistering of the children, as all names etc are the same.

Sorry if that’s not very clear. All people are living, so can’t give names.
Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian
Bennett - Devonport
Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian
Galvin, McLaren, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland
Littlejohns - Plymouth & London
Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras
Michelin - London
Newlands - Midlothian & Fife
Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian
Rutherford and Johnston - Roxburghshire
Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire
Thomson - Leith & Muthill
Thorney, Hawkin, Lewis - Herefordshire
Small & Paulin - Northumberland
Varrall - Kent

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 October 18 01:26 BST (UK) »
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It’s very likely the marriage in 1973 was not legal because he wasn’t divorced from first marriage, so this perhaps explains the second marriage to the same woman 10 years later, but not the reregistering of the children, as all names etc are the same.
                         

That doesn’t make any difference, if the first marriage wasn’t legal, it would be the same as if it had never taken place. Therefore, when they married the second time, in order to make the children legitimate, they would have to register them again. 


“If the parents have married after the child was born, they are legally required to re-register the birth. This is the case even if the father is already on the child’s birth certificate. This particular requirement stems from The Legitimacy Act, section 9. “ That Act was 1976.”
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #8 on: Friday 19 October 18 17:51 BST (UK) »
And copy certificates will be made from the later entries, which show that the parents are married to each other.

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