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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #9 on: Friday 19 October 18 23:18 BST (UK) »
I have come across a birth registered in the same quarter and year ( still living) but as the parents weren't married one entry was in the mother's surname and the other in the father's surname.
First names are the same

So one person has two birth certs!

I wouldn't have believed this could happen legally






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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #10 on: Friday 19 October 18 23:24 BST (UK) »
They only have one birth cert ! It's just that it's been indexed twice under both parents names.
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #11 on: Friday 19 October 18 23:31 BST (UK) »
No there will only be one birth certificate. Look at the ref numbers, are they the same?

It’s perfectly normal. My great nephew and his two sisters are on the register 3 times. His parents aren’t married. He is indexed once as John Brown * ( mother’s name) once as John Smith  (father’s name) and once as John Smith-Brown ( the name he uses) His birth certificate is in the name of John Smith- Brown. There is only one birth certificate.

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #12 on: Friday 19 October 18 23:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you Carole. (edited)
That's a worry off my mind
Wonder if the baby was asked to choose which one!


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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #13 on: Friday 19 October 18 23:38 BST (UK) »
Yes Groom -  the ref nos are the same
Thanks for your explanation

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 20 October 18 10:01 BST (UK) »
I have come across a birth registered in the same quarter and year ( still living) but as the parents weren't married one entry was in the mother's surname and the other in the father's surname.
First names are the same

So one person has two birth certs!

I wouldn't have believed this could happen legally   

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All certificates are copies of entries in the register.  If the person re-registered already has a copy certificate (of the first entry) it will still be valid, but future copies will be produced from the second (amended) entry.

There is always a lot of confusion about the original registration(s) and the copies made from it/them!!  There's nothing illegal going on at all.

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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 20 October 18 18:49 BST (UK) »
So because the marriage in 1973 was not legal because he was already married even though a marriage certificate existed for it. When he married her again in 1983 legally when the divorce finally came through they would have had to reregister the children’s births even though it was 10 years later? And the children’s names didn’t change? I didn’t know a child’s birth registration could appear twice in the index only in the year they were born. So that’s interesting to know.
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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 20 October 18 20:24 BST (UK) »
I have come across a birth registered in the same quarter and year ( still living) but as the parents weren't married one entry was in the mother's surname and the other in the father's surname.
First names are the same

So one person has two birth certs!

I wouldn't have believed this could happen legally   

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All certificates are copies of entries in the register.  If the person re-registered already has a copy certificate (of the first entry) it will still be valid, but future copies will be produced from the second (amended) entry.

There is always a lot of confusion about the original registration(s) and the copies made from it/them!!  There's nothing illegal going on at all

Melbell

Thanks Melbell
We live, and learn, about all these complications. You're right about the confusion!



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Re: Birth on the index twice
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 20 October 18 21:58 BST (UK) »
If the person re-registered already has a copy certificate (of the first entry) it will still be valid, but future copies will be produced from the second (amended) entry.

Not necessarily. It depends where you apply, and what you ask for. I recently applied to the GRO for a 1900 birth that I knew had been re-registered in 1933 (under the 1926 Legitimacy Act). I ordered the 1900 record on the standard online order form, and that is the certificate I received.