Help wanted - Samuel Paul Hunt Hayward & Mary Ann 1840s

[ribbo39]

Hello all,

Help wanted - I thought I had it all sorted out correctly; In my tree I have an Elizabeth Hunt Hayward born 6-9-1847 Southwark,  d/o Samuel Paul Hunt Hayward & Mary Ann,  Engineer.

She  marries Thomas Theodore Talley in 1868 who dies in 1875 and lists her father as above but now a Printer. Eliza then marries Walter Belcher as a widow in 1879 with her father same name as above but his occupation now appears to be Stoker.

I have found a marriage for Sam'l Paul hunt Haywood to Mary Anne Musgrave in 1827 Stepney, London

In the 1841 census Sam'l Hayward is recorded as a "watchmaker" with Elizabeth aged 6

In the 1851 census for Sam'l Hayward he is an engine driver with dau   Eliza aged 3

In the 1871 census Sam'l Hayward  is with a "Viegra" family as father-in-law a retired Engineer
A son   Richard Hunt Hayward marries in 1862 with father Engineer

I've now found evidence of Elizabeth Hunt Hayward marrying a Joseph Viegra in 1862 with father as above  an Engineer.

Am I right in thinking there are 2 x families with same father & mother's name?

I'm totally confused and any help in sorting out will be appreciated.

Alan

[mckha489]

in 1871 Thomas T TALLEY and his wife Eliza H age 23 are with the Talley family
Eliza's birth place given as Surrey, St John's, Horsleydown

that matches the 1848  baptism of Eliza Hunt HAYWARD recording her birth as 6 Sept 1847  Samuel an Engineer

[Jamjar]

As Eliza:

HAYWARD, ELIZA  HUNT mmn MUSGRAVE
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE'S UNION SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 472   

HAYWARD, EMILY  HUNT mmn MUSGRAVE 
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SAINT OLAVES UNION SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 362

HAYWARD, ROBERT  HUNT mmn MUSGRAVE
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE'S UNION SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 427

HAYWARD, JOHN  SAMUEL mmn MUSGRAVE 
GRO Reference: 1844  S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE'S UNION SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 451

Jamjar
 

[mckha489]

John Samuel HAYWARD of Boss Street (address at baptism of Eliza) died 1846 buried October age 2yrs 3 mos.

[mckha489]

there is a marriage of an EMILY HUNT TALLEY  a widow age 65  father Samuel Paul Hunt HAYWARD, stoker deceased, to James SPURGEON a widower age 74 Feb 29th 1904

one of the witnesses is Walter BELCHER

apparently she married Thomas Frederick TALLEY 13 Oct 1872, All Saints, Deptford, Kent

[mckha489]

At that 1862 marriage of Elizabeth Hunt Hayward to Joseph VIEYRA she is 27 so born about 1835

Eliza Hunt Hayward would only be 15 at that time.

I see a witness to the 1862 marriage is a Robert Hunt HAYWARD.  and maybe his soon to be wife Elizabeth Jane HUGGINS.

[Jamjar]

He’s also a watchmaker in 1861:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-Y5ZL

Jamjar

[mckha489]

there is another daughter
Mary Ann Hunt HAYWARD b 29 Sept 1836  father engineer
she married in 1859 to James BOXER

[mckha489]

Elizabeth Hunt HAYWARD bapt 21 Dec 1832 parish of Bermondsey, Surrey.  Father Samuel and engineer


so, they had two daughters named ELIZA and ELIZABETH -  I suppose they thought they had a good reason for that!
just the one father Samuel Paul Hunt HAYWARD