Help wanted - Samuel Paul Hunt Hayward & Mary Ann 1840s

[Jamjar]

Well, I’ll be. 

They also had an Ann christened in 1831:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW7C-K75

Jamjar

[LizzieW]

so, they had two daughters named ELIZA and ELIZABETH

Not unusual, I've seen that quite a few times with my ancestors.  I guess to them it was a totally different name.

[ribbo39]

Hi all,

Many thanks for all your imput.
The consesus seems to suggest it was one family with two Elizabeths.

The Eliza born about 1835 who married Joseph Vieyra was still going in 1881 living in Bermondsey whereas
the other Elizabeth  (bapt 1847) is the w/o Walter Belcher and I believe she died in 1908.

What is still a puzzle is the wide variation in occupations.

Alan

[mckha489]

I think engineer and stoker were fairly interchangeable back then. It’s the watchmaker that I think is slightly out field but perhaps that was his first trade and he went back to it from time to time.

BTW you’ve got your Eliza and Elizabeth round the wrong way 😀

[Jamjar]

Yes, It was Elizabeth born 1835 and Eliza 1847.

Jamjar

[ribbo39]

Hi,
Eliza and Elizabeth round the wrong way

So I did!! Its confusing all the same.

What about the occupation of engine driver?  A stoker on a census seems to tie in.

Ala

[Jamjar]

Engine driver, engineer and stoker can be the same type of occupation.

Yes, her death:

Deaths Sep 1908
BELCHER Eliza Hunt 60 Pancras 1b 43

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Just filling in time. 

Eliza in the 1891 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q4GX-W6Z

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D9-LPP

The last child is on the 1911 with father and new wife:

BELCHER, CAROLINE  ETHEL MARY mmn HAYWARD
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 395

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPS-1M9

Possible death for Walter:

Deaths Jun 1923
BELCHER Walter 67 St.Geo.East 1c 243

Possible marriage:

Marriages Sep 1909 Rochford 4a 1227
BARBER Emily
BELCHER Walter

Jamjar

[ribbo39]

Hi Jamjar,

Many thanks for those records - I did have most of them.

Caroline Ethel Belcher went on to marry a Maurice Alexander in 1913 West Ham, Essex

Alan