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GERMANY: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« on: Tuesday 03 August 04 22:26 UTC (UK) »

I was wondering if there was a place that Germans that married in England had to inform someone. I am thinking about my ancestors marraige around 1891 that I cannot find and looking for somewhere where I could find details of their marriage.
My gt. gdf was German and his wife English. Any ideas?
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 August 04 10:18 UTC (UK) »

Nothing in particular that I can help you with, but have you tried The Anglo German Family History Society. They may have more direction for you.

http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 August 04 20:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Jen I have looked on this board but do not know enough yet about my ancestor to check things out. Regards Irene
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 August 04 04:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irene have you looked at the registration records index, known as the GRO or St Cath's Index. They would have had to register the marriage onto this central register. If you like to give me the details I'll have a look for you at my next visit to the FH library.

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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 August 04 08:15 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Shirley - I have been looking for a longtime and cannot find them.
Charles Hermann/Alice Stroud. I think perhaps Charles had changed his name but may have married in his German name which I do not know.
I think they may have married around 1891 at Hoxton Old Town Shoreditch or around that area because that is where their first child is born Feb 1892. On that birth certificate father is Otto Hermann, my grandfather who is born later father is Charles Hermann.
I have purchased 2 wedding certificates in desparation.
Alice Stroud to Benjamin Amsden Biner August 1890 but Biner was not German.
Alice Greaves to Otto Reinhold Haus Herrmann May 1890 think Alice may have been married before but no her father was named Greaves as well and not Stroud.
Perhaps Charles/Otto and Alice never married or married much later.
Alice is Herman on the death certificate.
Very frustrating because I cannot tie up the right Alice Stroud or find out Charles German name. Another pair of eyes looking at this would be great. They are together in the 1901 census. Charles states he is a british subject born in Germany. Any help would be much appreciated. Best wishes Irene
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 August 04 05:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irene I went to freebmd and Alice's marriage to Benjamin Amsden BINER is recorded in 1890, also a birth for B A BINER in London (same area) for 1865.

What is the name of their firstborn? 

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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 August 04 07:57 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Shirley - Binner is the wrong line. I went there and bought the certificates thinking it was a connection because he married Alice Stroud.

My ancestor is Charles Hermann in the 1901 census at 6 Manilla Street. Poplar . On the first child born in 1892 it states father Otto Hermann and Alice Stroud as parents. My grandfather born 1899 the names of parents has changed to Charles Hermann and Alice Stroud.

What I am desparate for is the wedding certificate because I cannot tie up the family that Alice Stroud came from. I do not know Hermann's German name (that is why I cannot find the certificate)- why did he start off Otto and then become Charles. In the 1901 census he state he is a british subject. Was this from the marriage or did he get nationalized . Did they ever get married? I will keep plugging away. Thanks for your time. Regards Irene
 
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 August 04 07:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irene I will be going to the Mormon library on friday so will have a look at the official records. What was the name of the first child born, please? That will help. Have you looked on the 1891 census as well?

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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 August 04 07:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irene I looked on the GRO marriage index for 1891 and 1890. Couldn't match any brde called Alice Stroud with a groom called Hermann!

These are some of the names that were on those 2 years

Otto Reinhold HERMANN and another duplicate entry but spelt HERRMANN at Croydon

Charles HERMANN at Wantage
Alice STROUD at West Ham
Charles HERMANN at Whitechapel
Christopher Carl HERMANN    "


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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 21 August 04 08:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi there Shriley - sorry I have not replied to you sooner. I have had a busy time of late and have not been online much. Thanks you so much for checking out my ancestors. I have not been able to find the marriage of Alice and Charles/Otto Hermann. Perhaps they never married. I am going to try to go to Bancroft Road and see if they have any more details on Charles. He had a hairdressers on the Isle of Dogs and paid rates ect so they may some information on him. I really appreciate you looking for me. Many thanks Irene
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 20 September 04 19:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Irene  my wifes GT Grandparents were from Germany and settled in whitechapel london I found out that this area had quite a lot of Ger' immigrants, and there are German churchs both Lutheran and Catholic which hold records there was also a German hospital in the east end, the anglo german f.h.s has details I think. My research is for the name Schilp I found they were at 35 Grove st Whitechapel on the 1881 census and he was a cabinet maker, they then somehow ended up in Greenock Scotland
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 September 04 05:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi Avro,

Any idea from where in Germany ?
On my "travels" I found a family of Schilps from Germete, Nordrhein-Westphalia. Possibles ?
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 September 04 16:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob in Berlin thanks for your reply, as yet we have no idea which area they came from or why, someone in my wifes family said they were told that our Schilp was dutch origionaly, others say German,  maybe you could confirm for me that Schilp is actually a dutch or German name, I am hopefull that when I can obtain their  Whitechapel born daughters marriage cert (she was married in Greenock Scotland) that it may state where her parents were born, other than just Germany, as you probably know Scottish marr' cert's state where the parents are born. I will check out your info above cheers  Smiley
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 September 04 06:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi Avro,

here's where I found the Info.: http://gedbas.genealogy.net/suchen.jsp;jsessionid=D659EC6B96F8451682E51E779F85D6AA
This is a german database

I can't confirm your german/dutch question but both are likely, in fact, another database: http://www.geneanet.org/ ( more international one) gives 60 Schilps, most of them dutch !
http://search4.geneanet.org/result.php3?source=&name=schilp&place=&recherche.x=6&recherche.y=5

Good luck, keep us posted !
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Re: Is their a list of Germans that marry in the UK.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 25 April 05 00:42 UTC (UK) »

I am interested in your message mentioning Benjamin Amsden Biner.  I believe he may be in my (husband's) family tree.
I have Benjamin Biner b.circa 1866 Rotherhithe, s/o William George Biner and Hephzibar Amsden.
I've no further information on Benjamin, but William George was a linen draper and married Hephzibar in 1859 in Stepney.
Heph was sister to my husband's g.g.grandfather John Amsden.
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