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RNVR WW1
« on: Friday 19 August 05 22:08 BST (UK) »
hi Annie

have posted before re my brick walls and still can't seem to climb over them!!!!

here goes

My Grandfather and Grand mother appear not to exist prior to 1918 when they married in Aberdeen for both of them it was there 2nd marriage

Edward Lewis was a trawl fisherman at the time of their marriage I have the marriage cert of his first marriage the birth & death cert of his first wife the birth & death cert of the son from this marriage All going swimmly But i cannot find his Birth cert am not sure where he was born and cannot even be sure if his father Was Edward or Henry [names differ on hboth his marriage certs]However
The one possability is that he was born in wolverhampton however in the 1891 census it appears that he was in a childrens home along with some of his brothers & sister. however in the 1901census I cannot seem to find any of them!!! tried England and Scotland. On his 1st son's death cert  information given is that father was at sea on a minesweeper and he is Listed as RNVR 27779 I cannot find out anything on this???


My grandmother was Mary maiden surname Johnson 1st husband was Ernest Miller. according to their grandchild, my cousin. they were married in canada around 1912 in quebec had 2 children Ernest & Jessie Ernest snr was killed in the war apparently he was a sailor one of the children  we think it was ernest was born at sea whilst they were returning to scotland I have been unable to locate Mary's birth Cert in either Scotland on england
See what I mean about Brick wall

any help would be appreciated as you can imagine

Jean
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Re: RNVR WW1
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 August 05 01:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Jean:
I just did a look on the national archives site for Canada and looked at the WW1 records.  There is a Ernest Charles Miller listed.  But the next of kin listed is a sister.


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Re: RNVR WW1
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 August 05 02:27 BST (UK) »
hi,
as he would have been married at the time and unlikely to list sister s next of kin or maybe I am wrong????

Jean
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 August 05 21:42 BST (UK) »


Jean!

Did you persue the information that Anne Mc gave you?
It's possible Ernest didn't change his next of kin when he married - he may have listed his sister when he enlisted!!

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 August 05 23:57 BST (UK) »
hi Annie

I have briefly looked into the information that Annie Mc gave me but am still unsure this could be MY Ernest as he would have been married prior to enlisting by about 3 years
I am trying to make sense of everything at the moment as am becoming very confused looking at both my grandparents at the same time [I have come to the conclusion that this is not a good idea]
I have made a note of it and once my head and all my notes are a bit straighter will investigate further

Have you been looking then?
or have you found something else?
Many thanks
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Jean
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 August 05 00:47 BST (UK) »

Jean!

Of course I've been looking!!
but this might give you some ideas of where to look etc!!

Annie

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 August 05 01:01 BST (UK) »
Annie

don't you people ever sleep ???

will check out your recommendations over the next few days day [bank hol weekned at last maybe get some sorting done]

many thanks really must go to bed nite nite
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Jean
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 August 05 01:05 BST (UK) »



We sleep - just not at the same time as you!!! ;)


FISHING VESSELS ~

As with other shipping, no attempt was made to enumerate fishing vessels in 1841. The surviving accounts of the 1851 census are not detailed enough to reconstruct the position in that year. The 1851 ship's schedule, how-ever, asked the master to state if his ship was employed in the home trade, conveying passengers, or fishing. Fishing vessels may, therefore, have been treated in the same manner as other vessels.

In 1861 fishing vessels were to be given ships' schedules if they were in port on 4 April, or arrived between then and census day 7 April. But whereas all British coasting and home-trade vessels arriving up until 7 May were also to be given a schedule, only fishing vessels arriving up until 20 April were to be so treated. Fishing vessels were handled in a similar manner in 1871 and 1881, except that in the period before census night they were now treated in a similar manner to other vessels. Whilst other British vessess arriving in port after census night were given ships' schedules from 3 April to 2 May in 1871, and from 4 April to 3 May in 1881, fishing vessels only received them up until 14 and 15 April respectively. In 1891 and 1901, however, British fishing vessels, and 'every fishing boat of foreign nationality which brings fish regularly to ports of the UK', were to be treated in the same manner as other vessels. This simplification of procedures corresponds to that for the enumeration of other vessels in this period.

The distribution amongst the household returns of the ships' schedules for fishing vessels is similar to that for other shipping.

VESSELS ENGAGED IN INLAND NAVIGATION ~

Persons on vessels engaged in inland navigation which came into the areas of ports and harbours under the jurisdiction of the customs officers, were treated by them in the same manner as fishing vessels. The only exception to this was in 1851, when the customs officers merely forwarded to London the vessel's name, description and port where returned, as well as the number of males and females on board.

The population of vessels on canals and inland navigable waters was treated in a rather different manner. No attempt appears to have been made to make a nominal enumeration of these vessels in 1841 and 1851. Enumerators were merely asked to calculate the numbers of males and females on such vessels and insert this figure in one of their preliminary tables. In 1841 application was also made to the canal companies to provide an estimate of the number of such people.

From 1861 onwards some attempt was made to enumerate this floating population, and a calculation of the number of such persons was no longer supplied by the enumerators. The arrangements for 1861 were extremely ad hoc. The registrar was to enumerate vessels within his sub-district 'according to the circumstances of each case'. He was advised to find where such vessels might be moored from the owners or managers of wharves, or the canal companies, and then to employ a 'trustworthy person' to visit them on census morning to obtain the necessary nominal information using the standard ship's schedule of that year. These returns can now be found at the end of the household returns for the enumeration district, or registration sub-district, in which the vessel lay on census night.

From 1871 onwards it became the responsibility of the enumerators to enumerate such vessels. They handed the person in charge of the vessel a ship's schedule, and collected them when completed. The information they contained was then entered into their enumerators' books at the end of the household entries. From 1881 this applied not only to vessels which had been given schedules prior to census day but also to barges and the like which appeared in the enumeration district on that day.


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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I

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Re: RNVR WW1
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 27 August 05 16:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

Many thanks for the latest info it makes interesting reading and will be kept on file am certainly getting the "Bug" this site is brilliant and everyone so helpful

Having done all the "Jobs" of the day can now spend some time going through my notes and files and hopefully making some sense of it all

Will no doubt be posting more questions later!!!!

Just a question Are you the" Liverpool Annie" that is on another site????

regards
Jean
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