GOURLEYS

[farkle]

 LOOKING FOR JOHN GOURLEY, BORN 1804, DONEGORE, ANTRIM AND DIED OCTOBER 12, 1879 IN BALLYBENTRA, NILTEEN GRANGE, ANTRIM

JOHN AND HIS UNKNOWN WIFE HAD TWO SONS, THOMAS IN 1819 WHO DIED AND SAMUEL IN 1821

SAMUEL WAS BORN MAY 18, 1821 IN TOBERGILL, DONEGORE

HE MARRIED SARAH TALON NOVEMBER 14, 1837

THEY HAD TWO SONS, JOHN WHO DIED AND SAMUEL

SAMUEL WAS BORN IN 1840 IN TOBERGILL, DONEGORE

HE MARRIED SARAH LAWTHER IN 1857 WHO WAS BORN IN 1827 AND DIED AUGUST 24, 1887 IN TOBERGILL

THEY HAD

JOHN BORN JULY 6, 1859 UB TOBERGILL, DONEGORE

ELLEN JANE BORN 1861, TOBERGILL, DONEGORE

SAMUEL BORN IN IRELAND IN 1864

ELIZABETH BORN IN SCOTLAND 1866

MARGARET BORN IN SCOTLAND 1869

MARY BORN IN MARYLAND USA 1872

[furn]

I have a Robert Gourlay b. approx 1676 Ceres, Scotland married a Margaret Gibson b 1680 Ceres, Fife.
They had William Gourlay b.31 Jul 1702 died as a child
William Gourlay b.17Mar 1704 Ceres died as a child
Ann Gourlay b.25 Jan 1706 Ceres married James Armit b approx 1700.
This is the only info I have

[meloury]

hi Farkle , Have tried sending you personal messages with no joy through the irish genealogy site. My personal email is meloury@iinet.net.au. We are related!!! My wife is Janet Anne Gourley decended through Samuel Gourley and Sarah Tallon, via John

hope to hear from you soon .

Martin Eloury

[farkle]

WE CANT BE RELATED BECAUSE OUR SAMUEL GOURLEY LIVED IN IRELAND BUT CAME TO THE US AND LIVED IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE HE CAME FROM AND WHO HIS WIFE WAS. HIS DAUGHTER WAS NAMED ELLEN. SHE WAS BORN IN IRELAND IN 1862.

[meloury]

Hi Farkle, I have all of the same ancestors as you listed in your post. I have certificates from the present day linking back to all the details you listed / the only thing I did'nt have were the other children of Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther.

My wife is Janet Anne Gourley daughter of Alexander Ashe Gourley and Anna Jane Fee, Alexander was the son of William Gourley and Jane Harbinson Ashe. William was the son of John Gourley and Sarah Armstrong.
John was the son of Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther, and so on back to our common ancestor John Gourley in 1804.

You can have a look at www.geneanet.com for my listings under Gourley which will display our entire family tree. My user name is meloury. I am at work again at present. Let me know what certificates you would like to prove our connection . Can you tell me any more information of your own family?

thanks, martin

[meloury]

Hi again Farkle ,

Don't have any details but Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther had a daughter Ellen Jane born about 1861. I think this is who you are after!!
Havn't got a certificate for her yet.

Martin

[farkle]

  IN THE 1870 CENSUS SAMUEL WAS LIVING IN CECIL COUNTY, MARYLAND. IT LISTS ALL OF THEM: IT LISTS SAMUEL AS A LABORER IN A QUARRY

THIS CENSUS SAYS THAT SAMUEL WAS BORN IN 1830 BUT THE 1880 CENSUS IN WILMINGTON HAS HIM BORN IN IRELAND IN 1840.

ELLEN BEING BORN IN 1861

GEORGE AGE 12 (WE THINK THIS IS JOHN, YOUR WIFES GRANDPA) HE LIVED IN MARYLAND BUT NOT IN WILMINGTON
SO HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND AND MARRIED SARAH ARMSTRONG
ELLEN JANE AGE 10 (MY GREAT GRANDMA)
SAMUEL AGE 7
ELIZABETH AGE 5
MARGRET AGE 1
MARY WAS LATER BORN IN 1872

YOUR LIST HAS A JOHN BORN IN 1859, COULD HE HAVE BEEN JOHN GEORGE?


NOW, HERE IS THE 1880 CENSUS FROM WILMINGTON, IT SHOWS THAT NOW SAMUEL IS A WIDOWER DOESNT MENTION GEORGE (JOHN). WONDER IF HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND. NOT SURE ABOUT THIS

1880 Census
  
  Samuel GOURLEY Household
    Male  
  
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      Birth Year <1840>  
    Birthplace IREL.  
    Age 40  
    Occupation Laborer  
    Marital Status W <Widowed>  
    Race W <White>  
    Head of Household Samuel GOURLEY
    Relation Self  
    Father's Birthplace IREL.  
    Mother's Birthplace IREL.  
  
 
   New Castle, Delaware  
     
 
  

  1880 US Census  
  
 


 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace

 Samuel GOURLEY   Self   W   Male   W   40   IREL.   Laborer   IREL.   IREL.  

 Ellen GOURLEY   Dau   S   Female   W   19   IREL.   Works Cotton Mill   IREL.   IREL.
  
 Samuel GOURLEY   Son   S   Male   W   16   IREL.   At Home   IREL.   IREL.  

 Elizabeth GOURLEY   Dau   S   Female   W   14   SCOT.   Works Cotton Mill   IREL.   IREL.  

 Margret GOURLEY   Dau   S   Female   W   11   SCOT.   At School   IREL.   IREL.  

 Mary GOURLEY   Dau   S   Female   W   8   MD   At School   IREL.   IREL.  

MY COUSIN TOLD ME THERE WAS ANOTHER SON NAMED GEORGE
WHO WAS BORN IN 1858/59 OR SO. YOU HAVE A JOHN BORN IN 1859 ON YOUR LIST, COULD THEY BE THE SAME PERSON? HERE IS WHAT MY COUSIN COULD FIND OUT ABOUT THE ELUSIVE FIRSTBORN GEORGE (jOHN?) GEORGE SORT OF DISAPPEARS. WE WONDER IF HE DIED. HE WAS BORN IN IRELAND AND SHE PULLED CENSUS FOR ALL GEORGE GOURLEYS IN THE US AND ONLY A FEW MATCH UP FOR CLOSE TO THAT YEAR OF BIRTH. NONE WERE BORN IN IRELAND, THOUGH ONE WAS BORN I SCOTLAND. ONE LISTS A SAMUEL AS HIS FATHER. WE THINK MAYBE HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND. DO YOU HAVE ANY GEORGES OR THE DEATH RECORDS FOR THAT JOHN THAT IS ON YOUR LIST. CAN YOU FIND ANYWHERE WHERE SAMUEL AND SARAH LEFT FOR THE STATES? SO THIS JOHN IS YOUR WIFES GRANDFATHER. DOES SHE KNOW IF HE LIVED IN MARYLAND IN THE U.S. AND CAME BACK? DOES SHE KNOW WHEN HIS MOM SARAH LAWTHER DIED AND WHERE?

  

[farkle]

Husband's Name
 Samuel GOURLEY (AFN:1RTD-PX8)  Pedigree 
 
 Born:  Abt 1840  Place:  Donegore, Antrim
 Died:  Bef 1887  Place:   
 Married:  Abt 1857  Place:  Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
 
 Father:  Samuel GOURLEY (AFN:1RTD-LP9)  Family 
 Mother:  Sarah TALLON (AFN:1RTD-PL6)   

Wife's Name
 Sarah LAWTHER (AFN:1RTD-PZG)  Pedigree 
 
 Born:  Abt 1827  Place:  Tobergill, Antrim
 Died:  24 Aug 1887  Place:  Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
 Married:  Abt 1857  Place:  Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
 
 
1.  Sex  Name 
 F  Ellen Jane GOURLEY   Pedigree 
 
 Born:  Abt 1861   Place:  Tobergill, Donegore 

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2.  Sex  Name 
 M  John GOURLEY   Pedigree 
 
 Born:  6 Jul 1859   Place:  Tobergill, Donegore., County Antrim 
 Died:  1 Aug 1921   Place:  Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim 

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3.  Sex  Name 
 F  Margaret GOURLEY   Pedigree 
 
 Born:  11 Sep 1864   Place:  Tobergill, Donegore, Antrim 

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  ŠTHIS LISTING DOESNT SHOW THE YOUNGER KIDS BEING BORN YET

THIS IS YOUR WIFES PARENTS, WAS SHE ONE OF 10 KIDS. OUR US MORMON ANCESTRY DOESNT HAVE THE NAMES OF HER SISTERS AND BROTHERS LISTED. THE MORMON CHURCH IS THE BIGGEST ANCESTRY SEARCH IN THE US.
   

 Husband's Name
 William GOURLEY )  Pedigree 
 
 Born:  10 Oct 1893  Place:  Donegore Co., Antrim, N. Ireland
 Died:  31 Dec 1980  Place:  Ballyclare, N. Ireland
 Married:  27 Dec 1918  Place:  Presbyterian Ch, Killead.
 
 Father:  John GOURLEY )  Family 
 Mother:  Sarah ARMSTRONG
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Wife's Name
 Jane Harbinson ASHE   
 
 Born:  20 Mar 1901  Place:  Antrim, Ireland
 Died:  2 Apr 1970  Place:  Antrim, Ireland
 Married:  27 Dec 1918  Place:  Presbyterian Ch, Killead.
 
 Father:  Alexander ASHE  Family 
 Mother:  Sarah MCDOWELL 

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Children
10, NO NAMES (YOUT WIFE IS ONE OF THEM)
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 THIS IS AWESOME, ITS LIKE A PART OF MY LIFE COMING TO ME IN SMALL BITS AND PIECES BUT WONDERFUL BITS AND PIECES. SO I AM RELATED TO YOUR WIFE. NOW LET ME FIGURE OUT HOW AND LETS SEE...... YOU WIFE'S DAD WILLIAM AND MY GRANDMOTHER JANE MARY WERE FIRST COUSINS. SO MY DAD, THE LATE  ALOYSIUS QUIGLEY AND YOUR WIFE ARE SECOND COUSINS, WHICH WOULD MAKE YOUR WIFE AND I MAYBE THIRD COUSINS? THIS IS ALL IF WE ARE REALLY RELATED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS SO. ILL E MAIL THIS TO MY COUSIN AND SEE IF SHE AGREES.

MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER ELLEN JANE GOURLEY WHO MARRIED AN ALEXANDER WINNINGTON...MY COUSIN FOUND HER BURIAL LISTED UNDER HER MARRIED NAME WINNINGTON BUT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A TOMBSTONE.

WELL, THIS OUGHT TO KEEP YOU BUSY FOR AWHILE. ILL KEEP IN TOUCH AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND OUT ABOUT JOHN AND SARAH LAWTHER (HER DEATH, WHERE SHE IS BURIED AND IF YOU HAVE ANY RECORDS OF HER IN THE US AS WE HAVE HER LIVING IN MARYLAND IN 1870!!!


 

[farkle]

NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR SAMUEL WAS A WIDOW IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE IN 1880. HE SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO THE U.S. WITH THE 5 KIDS. HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN WIDOWED IN MARYLAND OR DELAWARE AFTER MARY WAS BORN IN  1872. HE LIVED IN SCOTLAND TOO WHERE ELIZABETH AND MARGRET WERE BORN AND THEN MUST HAVE COME TO THE US. BUT....HOW COULD THERE BE TWO FAMILIES WITH ALL THE SAME NAMES AND
DATES BUT.........YOU LIST SARAH AS DYING IN IRELAND IN 1882.
THAT CANT BE RIGHT IF IN THE 1880 CENSUS, SAMUEL WAS A WIDOWER AT AGE 30 LIVING WITH THE 5 KIDS ALONE. MY COUSIN SAYS THAT ELLEN JANE

 ELLEN JANE IS MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER. SHE MARRIED AN ALEXANDER WINNINGTON IN WILMINGTON 1884 AT THE AGE OF 23. THEY HAD A SON WILLIAM WHO DISAPPEARED AFTER WORLD WAR ii AND A DAUGHTER ELLEN ( NELLIE) WHO DIED IN HER TEENS AND A DAUGHTER JANE MARY WHO IS MY GRANDMOTHER. JANE MARY HAD 17 CHILDREN, TWO OF WHICH WERE NAMED ELLEN AND JANE. MY NAME IS ELLEN JANE TOO SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GOURLEYS LINE IS CONTINUED THROUGH ME WITH THE NAMES ELLEN AND JANE AFTER ELLEN JANE WHO WAS BORN THERE IN 1861.

I GUESS MAYBE IM A LONG LOST RELATIVE OF YOUR WIFE MAYBE.............WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS SARAH MYSTERY. HOW COULD SAM BE A WIDOWER IN 1880 LIVING WITH THE 5 KIDS AND HIS WIFE HAVING DIED IN IRELAND IN 1886 ACCORDING TO YOUR LIST. COULD YOU RESEARCH THIS AND ILL ASK MY COUSIN WHO IS DOING ALL MOST OF THE GOURLEY GENEOLOGY. I DONT LIVE IN WILMINGTON SO SHE IS MORE APT TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS MYSTERY OR LET ME KNOW WHERE SARAH IS BURIED. I CANT WAIT TO FIND OUT THE ANSWER TO THIS MYSTERY. SEE HOW THOSE NAMES, ELLEN AND JANE AND MARY KEEP RESURFACING?
 
 JANE MARY, MY GRANDMA MARRIED A FRANCIS QUIGLEY IN 1905 IN WILMINGTON. WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO FIND OUR ORIGINAL FRANCIS QUIGLEY WHO WAS BORN IN IRELAND IN 1827 AND CAME TO THE US IN 1848 AND SETTLED IN WILMINGTON ALSO.

9  Family <Unknown> B:  Abt 1800 Donegore, County Antrim
   
2  Samuel GOURLEY B:  Abt 1840 Donegore, Antrim
D:  Bef 1887
 
M:  Abt 1857
Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
 THIS IS THE JOHN GOURLEY CHART THAT IS ON RECORD IN THE US AT THE MORMON CHURCH ANCESTRY WEBSITE
THIS SHOWS THAT THEY HAD A SON JOHN. WE HAVE HIM AS GEORGE IN 1870 BEING AGE 12 IN MARYLAND. THEN HE IS NOT LISTED IN THE 1880 CENSUS WITH SAMUEL AND THE OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO HE PROBABLY WENT BACK TO IRELAND. HE MARRIED SARAH ARMSTRONG AND HAD YOUR WIFES DAD, WILLIAM, RIGHT? DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW THAT HER GRANDFATHER JOHN HAD SIBLINGS THAT LIVED IN DELAWARE?
 
 Pedigree Chart 
8  John GOURLEY B:  Abt 1804 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
D:  12 Oct 1879 Ballybentra, Nilteen Grange, County Antrim
M:  Abt 1820 Donegore, County Antrim
      
4  Samuel GOURLEY B:  18 May 1821 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
D:  6 Aug 1865 Tobergill, Donegore.
M:  14 Nov 1837 Donegore, Antrim
 
       Family   
10    Thomas TALLON B:  < 1790
 
 5  Sarah TALLON B:  Abt 1816 Dunadry, Nilteen, County Antrim
D:  Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
       
1  John GOURLEY B:  6 Jul 1859 Tobergill, Donegore., County Antrim
D:  1 Aug 1921 Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim
M:  25 Nov 1887 Original Secessi, Killead.
 
      11  Family     
              
Sarah ARMSTRONG B:  27 May 1864 Ballycraigy, Co Antrim
D:  6 Apr 1922 Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim

  Family     
    
3  Family Sarah LAWTHER B:  Abt 1827 Tobergill, Antrim
D:  24 Aug 1887 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim