Thomas & Harriet Simmons (nee Pilbeam)

['Tricia]

This ref gives correct birth year for your Harriet

SIMMONS, Harriet
Death Quarter ending December 1887
Age at death:    67
Malling Kent
2a
339

Tricia
 
 

['Tricia]

Possible for Thomas though age doesn't quite tally - often doesn't, though

SIMMONS  Thomas
Death Quarter ending March 1891
Malling Kent
2a
440
Age at death 78 years

Do you want any of those family members checking on census 1871 onwards???

Tricia

[speedy]

Yes please to the checking of the 1871 Census.  I only have information on the two older children son Thomas, and daughter Annie.

Many thanks
Sheila

['Tricia]

1871 census

Bodle Street, Warbleton Sussex

William Bristow1829  Hamsey, Sussex,  Head Miller employing 1 man and 1 boy
Mary Ann Bristow  1832  Hartfield, Sussex,  Wife
Emily Mary Bristow 1862  Hurstmouceux, Sussex,Daughter   
 Ansley Ann Bristow  1866  Hurstmouceux, Sussex,  Daughter   
 Joseph Simmons 1856  Ashburnham, Sussex, Apprentice

  RG10/1045 Hailsham Hellingly Folio 46 Page 24

Can't postively identify him on other census at moment

Tricia

['Tricia]

1881 census

Church Field West Malling Kent

 Frank Hollands1856  Headcorn, Kent Head Journeyman Baker
 Emily Hollands 1856  East Peckham, Kent,  Wife
 Emily Hollands 1874  West Malling, Kent,Daughter
Minnie Hollands 1876  West Malling, Kent,  Daughter   
Frank Hollands  1879  West Malling, Kent,Son
George H. Hollands 1880  West Malling, Kent,Son
 Richard Simmons 1860  Ashburnham, Sussex,  Lodger Farm Labourer

RG11/0901  Malling Folio 23 Page 39
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1891 census

St Leonards Street West Malling

Simmons, Richard 1859 Ashburnham, Sussex,Head Agric Lab  West    Simmons, Sarah 1858 Earl Weckham, Sussex, Wife  Simmons, Thomas  1817  Kent,  Father Widower - Birthplace difficult to read
Edward Norrington Age 2 born Sheerness Kent Nephew

 
 RG12/670 Malling Folio 42 Page 31

As this  census was taken on the 5th April 1891 the other death of Thomas - father - is incorrect

Tricia
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1901 census
St Leonard's Street West Malling

Richard Simmons1858  Ashburnham, Sussex,  Head Farm Bailiff
 Sarah Simmons 1858  East Peckham, Kent,  Wife 
 Jane Langhorst  1830  East Peckham, Kent,  Mother-in-law Widow
 Emily Norrington  1891  Sheerness, Kent,  Niece 

RG13/743 Malling Folio 67 Page 21

Tricia
 

[kerryb]

Hi Speedy

George Pilbeam, father to Harriet was my 4 x gr grandfather.  According to the 1851 census George was living at Battenhurst Farm, Ticehurst, employing 120 people. 

According to my records for the Pilbeam family, and apologies if you already have any of this information:

Harriet and Thomas were married at Dallington in 1842.  thomas died at West Malling in Kent.  Thomas & Harriet were lodgers of George Card and his family on the 1881 census, the address was Church Fields, West Malling, Kent. Thomas was a 63 year old labourer and Harriet was aged 60.  That confirms that.

Children of Harriet Pilbeam and Thomas Simmons are:
i.   Annie Simmons, born Bef. 16 August 1843 in Battle or Catsfield, Sussex, England; died 09 August 1914 in Pitlochry, Perth, Scotland.
ii.   Thomas Simmons, born Bef. 22 September 1844 in Catsfield, Sussex, England; died Aft. 1891.
iii.   Eliza Simmons, born Abt. 1847 in Battle, Sussex, England.
iv.   Harriet Simmons, born Bef. 13 October 1850 in Ticehurst, Sussex, England.

More About Harriet Simmons:
Baptism: 13 October 1850, Ticehurst, Sussex, England

v.   Fanny Simmons, born Bef. 07 March 1852 in Ticehurst, Sussex, England.

More About Fanny Simmons:
Baptism: 07 March 1852, Ticehurst, Sussex, England

vi.   Hannah Simmons, born Bef. 04 September 1853 in Etchington, Sussex, England

More About Hannah Simmons:
Baptism: 04 September 1853, Etchington, Sussex, England

vii.   Joseph Simmons, born Bef. 29 July 1855 in Ticehurst, Sussex, England.

More About Joseph Simmons:
Baptism: 29 July 1855, Ticehurst, Sussex, England

Also this is a theory of mine but one of George's sons, James (my gr x 3 grandather) married a Sarah Simmons born 1815 in Penhurst.  I think she may be Thomas's sister.  Her father was called Thomas and I am still looking for him.  If I find anything more I will let you know.

best wishes

Kerryb

[kerryb]

Hi again

If you are interested in a marriage cert for Thomas and Harriet the details are:

Year: 1842
quarter: March 
District: Battle
Volume 7
Page 309

Kerryb

[kerryb]

Hello again Speedy

I have now extracted all the information I have on Thomas's descendents from a 179!! page document I was sent with regard to the Pilbeams. 

I don't know how accurate the information is as I have not checked out all 179 pages but I hope it helps you with your research.

The information came from a distant Pilbeam relative in Australia who has done copious and thorough research on the Pilbeams from the 15th cenutry and if you would like any information on Harriet's roots let me know and I'll extract some more for you.

best wishes

kerryb

[speedy]

I have been able to extract new information from all of the replies, which has been really useful.  However can anyone tell me whether Thomas' brother, James Simmons or any member of his family were still living at Borzell Farm in 1861 & 1871.
Thank you again
Sheila