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Offline Megatill

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SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« on: Wednesday 21 September 05 23:08 BST (UK) »
Hi - is anyone looking specifically at families located around and in Hawick?

I have Adie, Knox, Turnbull, Wilson Burnet.

David Knox (1767) m 1790 Mina Burnet
  William Knox
  Jean Knox (1792-1877) m John Adie
                                        m William Thomson
                                        m 1829 Francis Wilson
     Jane
     William
     Elizabeth (1830-1911) m 1849 Robert Turnbull
              migrated to Australia.



Australia/Scotland: Turnbull, Mackie/Mackay/McKey, Wilson
Australia/England: Hardy, Miller, Turnbull, Comber, Mackie, Tilley
England: Barratt/Barrett, Berridge, Bird, Booth, Bostorne, Buszard/Bussard, Hill, Jacomb, Jarvis, Marston, Miller, Noon, Persival, Roe, Smalley, Tilley, Weston, Wheat, Witsey
US: Tilley
England Counties: Leicestershire, Essex
Scotland: Roxburghshire

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 September 05 12:56 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I am researching Elliot and Hay families in the Hawick area - but nothing with the names you have listed so far.  I have a copy of the 1851 census for Hawick - if you want me to look up any names for you, just let me know.

Cheers,
Clare
ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...


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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 September 05 13:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Clare - those are basically the names that I have, not so much background details.

I do know that my GGGGrandmother, Jean Knox, was a prominent citizen in the area, and that a comprehensive obituary was printed about her in 1877.

If you come across any info, that would be great!

Mega
Australia/Scotland: Turnbull, Mackie/Mackay/McKey, Wilson
Australia/England: Hardy, Miller, Turnbull, Comber, Mackie, Tilley
England: Barratt/Barrett, Berridge, Bird, Booth, Bostorne, Buszard/Bussard, Hill, Jacomb, Jarvis, Marston, Miller, Noon, Persival, Roe, Smalley, Tilley, Weston, Wheat, Witsey
US: Tilley
England Counties: Leicestershire, Essex
Scotland: Roxburghshire

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 September 05 20:40 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I have found the following information in the 1851 census for Hawick, for the name Knox.

William Knox (poss son of David and Mina?, borne out by name of eldest son...)
Mickle Whitlaw, Hawick
William Knox - Head - married - 54 - Farmer (of 140 acres employeing 3 farm servants) - Roxburgh, Hawick
Nancy Knox - Wife - married - 40 - Farmer's wife - Roxburgh, Wilton
David Knox - Son - unmarried - 28 - Farmer's son - Roxburgh, Hawick
Margaret Knox - Daughter - 19 - Farmer's daughter - Roxburgh, Hawick
Ann Scott - Servant - Unmarried - 20 - House servant - Roxburgh, Newcastleton
James Elliot - Servant - Unmarried - 18 - Farm Servant - Dumfries, Langholm
John Douglas - Servant - Unmarried - 14 - Farm Servant - Roxburgh, Hawick

I am also guessing by Nancy's age she was a second wife or lying about her age!  :D

Unfortunately, I can't find Jean Knox in the same census under the names Knox, Adie, Thomson or Wilson.  She must have been in a different town when the census was taken.  I also couldn't find Jane, William or Elizabeth that you listed below Jean Knox, but then I wasn't sure which surname they had, given that it looks like Jean was married 3 times.

If there are any lookups you want - just give me a shout.

Cheers,
Clare
ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 September 05 00:38 BST (UK) »
Clare - I think you might be right about William - his age puts him in the ballpark as being Jane's brother, and son of David and Mina.

Jane, William and Elizabeth are all children of Francis Wilson and Jane Knox.  I have info that Francis and Jane were married c1829 in Hawick. From Jane's death cert, Francis was a Master Bootmaker and Shoemaker Master.

Jean married John Adie c1841 (November, I think). so in the census, she would probably show as Jean Adie. John is shown as a Framework Knitter on Jean's death cert.

Jean was married to William Thomson first (bef 1829), but I have no info on when that might have been. William is shown as a Wool Spinner on Jane's death cert.

By the way, the death cert was based on information provided by Jean's son-in-law Thomas Haig. I do not have any info on his placement in the scheme of Jean's life (ie I do not know who is was married to...)


Elizabeth Wilson married Robert Turnbull in 1849. I know they emmigrated to Australia, but have no details of their mode of transport or arrival in Oz. Robert died in St Peters, Sydney in 1891, and I have spotted his tombstone - so I know that the details re his demise are correct! Elizabeth died in 1911, in Enfield, Sydney. Between the two of them (Robert and Elizabeth) they had 9 children - as far as I can tell they were all born in Oz.

Elizabeth and Robert are my GGGrandparents. That makes Jean Knox and Francis Wilson my GGGGrandparents.

Does any of this help refine what you've spotted already?

Thanks for the lookup!

Megan
Australia/Scotland: Turnbull, Mackie/Mackay/McKey, Wilson
Australia/England: Hardy, Miller, Turnbull, Comber, Mackie, Tilley
England: Barratt/Barrett, Berridge, Bird, Booth, Bostorne, Buszard/Bussard, Hill, Jacomb, Jarvis, Marston, Miller, Noon, Persival, Roe, Smalley, Tilley, Weston, Wheat, Witsey
US: Tilley
England Counties: Leicestershire, Essex
Scotland: Roxburghshire

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 September 05 09:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Megan,

I found them!  I had a flash of inspiration this morning - they are listed with surname 'Eddie' rather than 'Adie'.  The entry is as follows:

Walters Wynd, Hawick
John Eddie - Head - Married - 58 - Woolen framework knitter - Lanark, Glasgow
Jean Eddie - Wife - [blank] - 59 - [blank] - Roxburgh, Hawick
William Thomson - Step son - Unmarried - 24 - Woolen framework knitter - Roxburgh, Hawick
Isabella Wilson - Step Daughter - Unmarried - 18 - Woolen factory worker - Roxburgh, Hawick
Jennet Wilson - Step Daughter - Unmarried  - 15 - Woolen factory worker - Roxburgh, Hawick
John Eddie - Grandson - Unmarried - 8 - Scholar - Roxburgh, Hawick
John Thomson - Step Grandson - Unmarried - 16 - Woolen factory worker - Roxburgh, Hawick
William Thomson - Step Grandson - Unmarried - 18 - Woolen factory worker - Roxburgh, Hawick
Jane Thomson - Step Granddaughter - Unmarried - 14 - Woolen factory worker - Roxburgh, Hawick

There are also details of 1 servant and 19 lodgers - I can give you the details of them if you like.  It must have been a large house!

So, from the above, it looks as if Jean has a child William with her first husband.  Is this the same William as you though was the son of Francis Wilson, or is it second  one?  In fact possibly more than one son with William Thomson, given the 3 grandchildren with the surname Thomson.  It also looks as if she 2 more children with husband Francis - Isabella and Jennet.

I still can't find Jane or Elizabeth on it.  It is possible that Elizabeth and Robert had emigrated by that point, or had left Hawick at the very least.

Have you tried looking at the 1871 census for the family.  You can see it at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.  It is a pay per view site and will cost you 6 GBP for 30 credits. 1 credit to biew a page of search results, and 5 to look at the image of the entry, which you can then print off.  You shouold managed to narrow things down quickly as Adie/Eddie is not common in the 1851 census in Hawick, so I doubt there will be many more in the 1871 census.

I will keep digging away here - let me know how you get on.

Cheers,
Clare
ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 September 05 12:25 BST (UK) »
That is great, Clare - thank you.

BTW - I have just managed to get my Genealogy Website working - you may want to have a look at my data at

http://www.tilleyenterprises.com/phpgedview/

Please note that I can not get the login to work properly, but I have checked and one can view the data.

You might be able to see the linkages a bit better than me retyping all the data.
Australia/Scotland: Turnbull, Mackie/Mackay/McKey, Wilson
Australia/England: Hardy, Miller, Turnbull, Comber, Mackie, Tilley
England: Barratt/Barrett, Berridge, Bird, Booth, Bostorne, Buszard/Bussard, Hill, Jacomb, Jarvis, Marston, Miller, Noon, Persival, Roe, Smalley, Tilley, Weston, Wheat, Witsey
US: Tilley
England Counties: Leicestershire, Essex
Scotland: Roxburghshire

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 09:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello to 'Megatill'  &  'Clare_hutchison',

I am also researching families in and around the Hawick area.

Just in case you have not seen my specific topics, I have included the links for easy access.
 
Is This 'TURNBULL' Family On Your Family Tree?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,68197.0.html
This family has connections to the name 'WILSON'.

Thomas TURNBULL - Merchant of Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,59474.0.html

The names and places which I am researching are listed at the bottom of each Topic posted.

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Jeanette H.
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Researching To Find Lots Of Things Not To Do.

Research Names & Areas:
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Ayrshire, Scotland: BROWN / BAIRD / BURNS(BURNESS) / HUTCHISON / COWAN / REID / WYL(L)IE
Roxburghshire, Scotland: TURNBULL / VEITCH /  ELLIOT / MURRAY
Aberdeenshire, Scotland: WATT / MITCHELL
England: TOPPING / MEDLEY
Ireland: MORROW
Australia: BROWN / BAIRD / TURNBULL / WATT / TOPPING / MORROW / MEDLEY / TACKI
Germany: ECKHARDT / HUBNER / TACKI

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Re: SCO-Rox - Hawick area
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jeanette,

I am not actually researching Turnbulls, but Elliots in the Hawick and Castleton areas. No links to Turnbulls yet - but given the way that names keep linking together, I am guessing it will only be a matter of time (so far plenty of Scotts, Croziers and Humes). 

Which Elliot line are you researching?

Cheers,
Clare
ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
CHAMBERS, BRUFF, WESTMACOTT - Glasgow
And many, many more...