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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #9 on: Monday 03 May 10 20:20 BST (UK) »
Hallo, flipflops

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This is great information - where is it from?

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 May 10 07:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Philip, They are on the IGI and one of the gen sites has added the PRs for St Leonards Shoreditch, but you havet to browse through them, so it's helpful to have the dates first.
Barefoot, Barley, Bedborough, Benett, Blandy, Brown, Clements, Doucett, Fisher, Franklin, Goodchild, Greenwood, Heath, Horwood, Osmond, Westbury: Berks/Berks and Wilts.

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 05 May 10 21:01 BST (UK) »
i know Larcher also as a name from the Trentino-Alto Adige/South-tyrol in Italy.
http://www.trentinoheritage.com/towns.htm
Ruffre  -- a village with medieval origins and Germanic influences, it was originally composed of a series of farm areas dating to at least 1271.  Many of its emigrants to the US emigrated to Utah, and bore the  Seppi  and  Larcher  names.
think the Larcher-name there possible about bavarian settlements before centuries. in any case a german name. thinks comes about Lärche = larch, but not sure.
http://www.comune.ruffre.tn.it/
maybe the name came to France and areas around about evan.luth.people who fleed.
italian phonebook - 393 hits:
http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=Europe&Co=Italy&Dn=Infobel&url=http://www.infobel.com/italy

german phonebook 77 hits: http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/
austrian phonebook 478 hits : http://www.herold.at/en/telefonbuch/
most in austrian Tyrol (379) which fits with South-Tyrol. also old bavarian settlements in North-Tyrol.
familynames in Tyrol&Vorarlberg in 1940/41 (not included South-Tyrol which was since 1919 italian)at places:
http://www.tirol.gv.at/themen/kultur/landesarchiv/forschungstipps/familiennamen/familiennamen-l/
Larcher >>> Arzl b. Imst, St. Anton a.A., Bach, Bludenz, Brixlegg, Ehrwald, Feldkirch, Fließ, Flirsch, Fulpmes, Götzis, Haiming, Hall, Hatting, Holzgau, Igls, Imst, Innsbruck, Kaunerberg, Kaunertal, Kematen, Kreith, Kufstein, Landeck, St. Leonhard, Mieming, Mils, Mühlbachl-Matrei, Navis, Neustift, Oberhofen, Obernberg, Polling, Prutz, Ramsberg, Reith (Kufstein), Rietz, Roppen, Rum, Schönberg, Schönwies, Schwaz, Silz, Stams, Steinach, Telfs, Tschagguns, Wenns

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 05 May 10 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hallo, carinthiagirl - many thanks for that information.

Although I am confident my Larcher line (weavers in Spitalfields) are of French Huguenot origin I haven't yet managed to trace them back to before their arrival in England. Your information offers some interesting possibilities about where they might have originated.

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #13 on: Friday 14 May 10 14:10 BST (UK) »
Hello

The Larchers pop up also in my family tree, albeit breifly, my 8x great grandfather Pierre Mollet acted as godfather to one of them in London.

From what I can see the name first appears in West London , when a Jacques Larcher, of Poitou, married  Marie Haquen St James, Duke's Place, Aldgate 1 Nov 1691 and had his son Abraham baptised at the Liecester Fields Huguenot congregation, Westminster in April 1692. This Abraham on reaching adulthood married a Judith Soulis and had two children, the first Jacques baptised in East London at the Crispin Street, Church, Spitalfields 1715, the second Abraham baptised back in West London at the West Street congregation, Westminster  1717.

This is signifianct as there are three more couples, Pierre Larcher and his wife Esther, Josue Larcher and his wife Esther, Jacques Larcher and his wife Elizabeth , around the same time, using the same churches, East and West.

The first Pierre married his wife Esther Des Jardins, at Threadneedle Street, in the City, 11 October 1696. He described himself as of 'Sedan' and the son of   Francois Larcher and Elizabeth Piet. I cannot find any baptisms for them but they had at least one daughter Elizabeth, as she married Jean Goglin, in the Liecester Fields Church, Westminster, 1719. Pierre, his wife, and three of their Goglin grandchildren recieved charitable assistance from the Spitalfields 'Soup' during the arctic winter of 1739-41. They were living in East London  Balls Alley Spitalfields. Pierre was 69 at that time, his wife 67. He was admitted to the French Hospital London  January 1749 aged 78, giving an origin of Sedan in Champagne, and died 3 weeks later.

The second couple Josue and Esther, I cannot find a marriage for, but they had two children at least, Moise Larcher, baptised at Crispin Street, Spitalfields, East London 1701 and a daughter Esther Larcher baptised at West Street Church, Westminster, West London 1708. This is exactly the same baptimal pattern as Jacques son, Abraham. Further evidence of a link, Josue also stood as a witness to a marriage in the Leicester Fields church in 1793 same time Jacques was using it . Josue was certainly originally from Poitou too. He was a Merchant Distiller, and was admitted into the French Hospital London, where he died 1777. He gives the info he was the son of a Phillip Larcher of La Mothe, Poitou. Phillipe his father must have been in London too as he also died in the hospital 35 years earlier, 1743, aged 69. Phillipe was described as a member of the Huguenot congregation at Wandsworth, which I think is very significant and will come back to later.

The third couple Jacques Larcher and Elizabeth Pouveau were married in the Crispin Street Church, Spitalfields on 14 April 1707 and had two children Izaac Larcher 1708 and Salemon Larcher 1709 baptised there. There is then a gap, before they reappear baptising five children, Valentine Elizabeth 1716, Jean Jacques 1720, Susanne 1722, Abraham 1725 and Elizabeth 1727 at The Artillery Huguenot Church Spitalfields. Jacques also has a link to the West London congregations mentioned above, as he stood as witness to a marriage at Crispin Street in 1708, where both parties were described as being of the congregation of West Street Church, Westminster. Jacques also received assistance from the Spitalfields 'Soup' in the arctic winters 1739-41, at which time he was living at Brick Lane, Spitalfields, and was aged 61. He was admitted to the French Hospital same year, described as of 'Poitou' and died there Jan 29 1749/50  the hospital paying for the funeral.

Were all four of these familes related? With the exception perhaps of Pierre, it seems quite likely, a lot of links.

Another Jacques Larcher, who like Josue gives an origin as La Mothe, Poitou appears around same time too.

He married Marie Bellet  22 July 1716 at La Patente Spitalfields:

"Jacques Larcher son of the Late Jacque Larcher and Jeanne Doucet of La Mothe, Poitou and Marie Bellet, dau of Jacque Bellet and late Marie Marchand of Harfleur, Normandy."


They had four children Anne 1717, Jacques 1718, Marie 1722, and Pierre 1726, all baptised at the Wheeler Street Chapel, Spitalfields.

The entries for the surname then seem to dry up in the French records.

A Jacques Larcher (possibly one of the baptised sons to one of the families already mentioned above), had with his wife Ann Malherbe two children baptised in the French churches, a Jacques 1742 at La Patente Spitalfields and a  Marie Marthe 1750 at Threadneedle Street. There are no more French Huguenot baptisms after this.

This more or less matches with the pattern of the Huguenots who came over 1680-1700, most of the children and grandchildren assimilated into the Anglican community, especially after the opening of Christchurch Spitalfields in the late 1720's and St Matthews Bethnal Green in mid 1740's.

There is one exception and that is a Pierre Larcher who joined the St Jean Chapel in Spitalfields in 1768 by Reconnaissence, having at one time been a Deacon of the Roman Catholic Church back in France. He was described as a native of Foligney in Low Normandy. A new persecutuon raged there roughly  1750-1765 so again matches known pattern. (Incidently as a Deacon he may have been an educated man, I think he would be a good candidate for Julie's Peter Larcher, that turned up in Saffron Walden as a teacher 1780's)


Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #14 on: Friday 14 May 10 14:13 BST (UK) »
Okay, apologies for length, hope you are still with me, but bare with me, and hopefully will pay dividends...

Obviously none of this helps work out where your Andrew fits in, but I may have a possible explanation for that. First there is some info on his family in the latter records of the French Hospital London.

A John Larcher, Silk Weaver, (b.1794 Montague Street, Spitalfields), and his younger brother Thomas Larcher (b.1804 Montague Street, Spitalfields) were both inmates at the hospital, John in 1865, Thomas 1872-6. They provided evidence that they were the sons of John Larcher and Mary Handsforth, and furthermore that their father John was born 1767 New Inn Yard Shoreditch son of Andrew Larcher and Anne Probee who married 1760 at St Lukes. Confusingly John stated that his grandfather Andrew was the original refugee, and came from 'Picardy around 1700' and used St Jeans Spitalfields, but obviously that date cannot possibly be true.

Then a Hannah Larcher (b.1821 7 Southampton Terrace Bethnal Green) daughter of Andrew Larcher and Susanne Rondeau, and her sister Louisa Larcher/Ware were both inmates, Hannah from 1877, Louisa from 1887. Among their proofs were their father Andrews apprenticeship indenture dated 1807, to his father also Andrew Larcher, a Silk Weaver. Hannah states that both her father and mother suffered disability in later life, her father from his arm, and she had to wait on them, which may explain why she never married herself.

I would imagine they were cousins of the Larcher brothers above, Their father Andrew the one baptised to Andrew Larcher and Sunsanne Grafton 1791, and his father the Andrew baptised to Andrew Larcher and Anne Probee 01 AUG 1763 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, the older brother of John Larcher.  So where is the baptism for  their great grandfather, the eldest Andrew Larcher?

Well I see there is one more much earlier Larcher marriage. An Andrew Larcher married at the Fleet London 31 March 1734. The full details on this marriage are very interesting indeed as they say he is a 'Felt Maker' of Wandworth, his wife of Putney. He was then almost certainly part of the Wandworth 'Hattery', a small colony of Huguenots operating south of the river making felt for hat trade. Their cemetery still stands at Nod Hill, and is the only survivng Huguenot cemetery anywhere in London. However this may also explain the lack of baptisms.

Lots has been written about this 'forgotten' Huguenot colony, including a book I think, but the records of their chapel, including baptisms did not survive sadly. It's possible the later Andrew then was his son and baptised in Wandsworth.

 So bad news is you may be stuck there.

However....small glimmer of hope. Going back to the beginning, you'll remember Josue Larcher of La Mothe, Poitou's father Phillipe was described also as a member of the Wandsworth Huguenot Congregation, and I mentioned that as possibly very significant. It was a small community, so what is the chance of two seperate Lanchers based there at same time? Fairly small one would have thought.

I personally think that is a pretty stong indiciation of a link and it is at least quite possible Andrew Larcher was indeed part of this refugee family originating in La Mothe, Poitou.



Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #15 on: Friday 14 May 10 18:26 BST (UK) »
Sorry more to come, just looking again and had a bit of a breakthrough here...

Found this marriage on my discs which I had missed:

"Phillipe Larcher, Chapelier (Hatter), native of city of La Mothe, Poitou, Kingdom of France married Marie Brossard, daughter of Louis Brossard and Janne Brigand, of the same said province Poitou. French Protestant Chapel 'Le Temple', Soho, West London 17 April 1703."


I am sure he is the father of Andrew the felt maker/hatter of Wandsworth who married Ann Field at the Fleet 1734.

The parish records of the Anglican Church at Wandsworth, show both Andrew and his wife, and Philip and his wife were buried there:

11 March 1739 Mary Larcher, age 54
17 May 1743 Phillp Larcher, 68

3 Aug 1762 Andrew Larcher, 49
22 May 1785 Ann Larcher, 77

In addition Andrew and Ann did have one child baptised in the Anglican Church there and named him Phillip, (baptised May 5th 1735.)

The Andrew who married Anne Probee in East London 1760, was buried at St Matthews Bethnal Green 1814 aged 78, so born approx 1736. What's the betting he was a son to Andrew and Ann, baptised in the lost Wandsworth Huguenot records?

Also I may have got confused,  the Andrew Larcher who baptised Thomas Mark Larcher 15 January 1820, (who is your ancestor am I right?) gave the adress Gibralter Gardens on this baptism. He is still there on the 1841 Census, and his age suggests he is not a son to Andrew and Ann Probee, but must insteadbe the one baptised 1777 to a John Larcher and his wife Ann. They had children baptised in East London from 1764-80. So this John was probably born 1738-44. Since his baptism is also absent, I'm guessing he may well be another son of Andrew and Ann baptised in the Huguenot church in Wandsworth, and bother of the Andrew who married Ann Probee. He called his only son Andrew, which sort fo adds weight to that theory, the name was important to him!

Incidently there are several pamphlets published in Spitalfields by an Andrew Larcher 1795-1820, including "A remedy for establishing universal peace and happiness, against universal oppression, and dangerous tumults. Or, the friendly dictates of common sense, to all working people, especially to the silk weavers of London"  It argued for fair wages, cooperatives and pension provisions for the weavers, obviously he was a bit of a radical for those days!


Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #16 on: Friday 21 January 11 00:46 GMT (UK) »
I am a New Zealand descendant of Andrew Larcher and Sarah Grafton, married 24 May 1790 at Stepney Spital Fields.
My family comes down from the youngest daughter Louisa Ann born circa June 1811.

I would be thrilled to be able to trace either of the Larcher or Grafton families back even further and to find out more about them. We have been fed romantic stories of escapes from the French Revolution but I don't believe the time frames fit.
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Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
« Reply #17 on: Friday 21 January 11 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Avon

Having received no replies to this thread back in May, I did not think anyone was still actively following it, but I did manage to trace the Larchers a bit further back.

As per my posts above, I would personally have Louisa Ann's tree as follows:


Phillip Larcher b.1676 La Mothe, Poitou d.1743 Wandsworth +Marie Brossard (married at French Protestant Chapel 'Le Temple', Soho, West London 17 April 1703)
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Andrew Larcher I b.1713 circa Wandsworth d.1762 Shoreditch? +Ann Field (married at the Fleet, London 31 March 1734)
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Andrew Larcher II b.1736 circa Wandsworth d.1814 Bethnal Green +Anne Probee (married 1760 St Lukes)
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Andrew Larcher III b.1763 Shoreditch +Susannah Grafton (married 1790 Christchurch Spitalfields)
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Louisa Ann Larcher
b.1811 Spitalfields

Phillipe and his son Andrew Larcher I, were part of the Huguenot colony in Wandsworth, South London (Surrey) who were Felt Workers & Hat Makers. You are unlikely to ever find the baptisms of Andrew I, or Andrew II, as the church records of this little congregation were unfortunately lost. However proof that they do link to the later family in East London is there in the Anglican records. Andrew Larcher I and Anne Field had a son Phillip, baptised in Wandsworth May 5th 1735, but there is a daughter baptised to them Catherine 9 years later on 2 Jul 1744  at St Leonard Shoreditch, showing they had indeed crossed the Thames north into the larger Huguenot Silk Weaving community in East London. Despite this when Andrew Larcher I died in 1762, he was buried back in Wandsworth, as later was his wife, no doubt as this was where his father and mother were buried too.

His father Philip was a Huguenot refugee and born in France. He would have been  9 years old at the time of the Revocation there (Oct 1685), so if he came then, likely he came to England with his parents, though I have found no trace of them in English records. The first definite sight of him here is his marriage in 1703, so he perhaps fled France alone, a little later, as a young man.

This is his baptism in the register of the Protestant Temple at La Mothe, Poitou, France Dating from 1676:



"Philippe son of Jaques Larcher, Labourer and Judith Groust, presented by Phillippe Moufset, Merchant,  godfather to be, born 15th May, and the godmother declared she knew not how to sign.  Signed: Phillippe Mousfet and Jacques Larcher"

So you there have his parents name and a generation further back in France at least.

Regards

Richard
Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London