Author Topic: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)  (Read 4116 times)

Offline telephonist

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 738
    • View Profile
John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« on: Saturday 08 October 05 09:03 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know of this couple who had a daughter Mary born about 1841 Cork Ireland who went to Australia and New Zealand. Mary had two sons Maurice  1865 and Albert  1872 to a Mr Morton in Australia.
In NZ she married Edward (Edwin) Hall  in Hokitika 1877 and they had a son John Edward in 1880.
When she died in Christchurch NZ in 1926 her parents were given as above but when she was admitted to hospital late in her life her parents were listed as Timothy and Ellen (nee Walsh)
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

Offline telephonist

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 738
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 November 17 22:18 GMT (UK) »
Reposting my request from 2005. Have recently revisited this block wall and hoping for a restart.

I am wishing to find out who Marys parents were? I have the other details for her.

Does anyone know of this couple who had a daughter Mary born about 1841 Cork Ireland who went to Australia and New Zealand. Mary had two sons Maurice  1865 and Albert  1872 to a Mr Morton in Australia.
In NZ she married Edward (Edwin) Hall  in Hokitika 1877 and they had a son John Edward in 1880.
When she died in Christchurch NZ in 1926 her parents were given as above but when she was admitted to hospital late in her life her parents were listed as Timothy McCarthy and Ellen (nee Walsh)
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

Offline Johnf04

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 November 17 23:25 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism for Mary MCCARTHY, parents John, and Bridget FINN, on 21st March 1839, at Glanmire, Cork.

On Ancestry.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

Offline Johnf04

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 November 17 23:33 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism for Mary CARTHY, Parents Tims and Ellen WALSH, on 26th January 1839, at Imogeela, Cork.

Also from Ancestry.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland


Offline telephonist

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 738
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 November 17 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou for this information. Possibly going to be near impossible to sort this one out! I no nothing other than what i have written about Mary. When she married in Hokitika in 1877  the Intentions to marry listing said she had been in NZ for 4 months coming from Australia.
Would I ever be able to trace how she came from Ireland to Australia?
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

Offline Johnf04

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 November 17 01:18 GMT (UK) »
There are passenger arrivals, on Ancestry, of a number of Mary MCCARTHYs from Cork, born within 5 years of 1841, arriving in New South Wales.

Are you sure the lady admitted to hospital, is the same as the person whose death you have?
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

Offline wivenhoe

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,546
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 November 17 03:53 GMT (UK) »

"...Mary born about 1841 Cork Ireland..."  What is your source for age and birthplace?


"..Mary had two sons Maurice  1865 and Albert  1872 to a Mr Morton in Australia."

Where in Australia were they born?  Or...what is your source for them being born in Australia, and to a MORTON father?

Where/ when  were Maurice and Albert married, and died.........how did they name their birthplace and parents on their marriage records?

".....In NZ she married Edward (Edwin) Hall  in Hokitika 1877.....?

Can you please list all the information on this marriage certificate?


".....When she died in Christchurch NZ in 1926 her parents were given as above....."

Can you please list all the information on this death certificate ?


Offline telephonist

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 738
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 November 17 00:03 GMT (UK) »
Hello Johnf04, Yes I am sure this is the same Mary as I have records to state this.

Thanks.
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon

Offline telephonist

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 738
    • View Profile
Re: John and Bridget McCarthy(Carty)+Timothy and Ellen McCarthy (Walsh)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 December 17 05:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello Wivenhoe, Thanks for your interest too. Some details you asked me to list.
Source for Marys age and birth date is Hospital record stating born Co. Cork Ireland 3/4/1841.
Parents Timothy McCarthy and Ellen Walsh. Married to Edward Hall - butcher.

Mary and Edward marriage cert says M Hokitika 30/1/1877 He 26, a batchelor and a butcher.
She age "Full" widow.

Death cert for Mary states Widow born Co.Cork aged 88.
Parents John McCarthy (Farmer) and Bridget Carty.
Married in Ballarat Victoria aged 27 to Maurice Morton then M Edward Hall Hokitika.
3 issue living at time of 2 death (2 Morton) and 1 HALL.
Cannot trace anything for Albert Morton - 2nd son other than his death cert.
Hall -Devon,
Atkinson-Gateshead Durham.
Weir - Swansea
Sumner - Warwickshire
Morrall - Warwickshire
Hill -Cornwall, Australia and NZ
Penhallurick - Cornwall and Australia
McNally - Ireland and UK
Tooze - Devon