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Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« on: Monday 10 October 05 08:07 BST (UK) »
Hi!

I have found records of my ancestors on the 1881 Census and would love to know if they are on the earlier census returns going back to 1851.

Siegmund Oppenheim    abt 1839    Hamburg (B S)          
Adele Oppenheim       abt 1851    Schwerin Mecklenburg
Ernst F. Oppenheim    abt 1876    Manchester
Frederick S. Oppenheim    abt 1873    Manchester    
George Emil Oppenheim    abt 1880    Manchester   
Matilda A. Oppenheim    abt 1879    Manchester
Annie Williams       abt 1862    Manchester,

They are recorded in 1881 as living at 15 East Beach, Lytham, Lancashire
and may have moved to London before the 1891 census.   There would also have been another son on the earlier returns (I'm hoping) called Eugen.

Anyhow, thanks in advance for your time and energy.

Kirsten Beach
Heemskerk Netherlands
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
UK Census info. is Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 October 05 08:32 BST (UK) »
1871 RG10/4007/118/30
Acomb Street Moss Side

Sigmund Oppenheimer single age 32 commission merchant , German naturalised British subject was lodging with Susan Peace.
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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 October 05 08:37 BST (UK) »
No sign of Sigmund in 1861, but there is a James Oppenheimer anf family living in Rusholme Manchester. :)
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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 October 05 08:41 BST (UK) »
Goodness!

I wonder if it could be the same man.  It is interesting that he dropped the 'er' off Oppenheim and that his wife was not with him ten years earlier.

It could be that he left his wife and son Eugen in Germany until he had established his business and then sent for them.

Could anyone let me know if they were still in Lancashire in 1891?

Thank you immensely.
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
UK Census info. is Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim 1891
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 October 05 09:51 BST (UK) »
Just a little footnote to the request above for a search of the 1891 census:

FYLDE [RG12/3449-3458]

District information

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Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 October 05 16:53 BST (UK) »
1891 RG12/3185/98/11
497 Oxford St York House Chorlton on Medlock

Sigmund Oppenheim head age 53 foreign merchant born Germany
Adele age 40 wife born Germany
Frederick S son age 18 born Manchester
Ernest F son age 15 born Manchester
Mathilde A dau age 19 born Manchester
George E son age 11 born Manchester.
Three servants and a governess
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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 October 05 17:24 BST (UK) »
 :D

Wonderful so we now have an indication that the kids were still at home and that they had staff.  That's incredibly useful thank you.

I notice the names of the servants are not there.  Were they listed?

Siegmund and Adele had a son in Germany before they emigrated called Eugen.  Does anyone have a record of him being in Lancashire at the time?

Many eternal thanks

Kirsten Beach
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
UK Census info. is Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 October 05 17:41 BST (UK) »
Ann Connelly single age 53 Cook born Liverpool
Jane Roberts single age 49 waitress born Anglesea
Emma Roberts single age 32 housemaid born Oak Town Staffordshire.
Leonie Ballein single age 22 governess born France
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Re: Census Lookup Please Oppenheim
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 October 05 20:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks  ;)

I wanted to know if the 2 nurses listed as being on their staff were still present with them ten years later.

It seems the children grew out of the need for "nurses" and now required a French governess.

Fascinating stuff!

Thanks again, warmest wishes, Kirsten Beach, Netherlands
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
UK Census info. is Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk