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Topic: Census lookups please, Turnbull and Thompson families. (Read 279 times)
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Reaybo M
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Hi Guys, was wondering if anyone could look up the following families for me please?
James Turnbull, son of John Turnbull, born about 1830. The 1881 census for Chirton, Northumberland, says James was born in High Morton. He married Mary Thompson in 1850, and they later ran an Inn called Jenny Lid. On that note if anybody has a photo of that inn I'd love to hear from you. Id love to find out James' mum's name. She was born about 1828 in Cowpen Quay???
Also, I'm looking for a lady called Mary Thompson (who married James Turnbull 1850). She was born in Cowpen Quay as I said (according to the 1881), and her father was called Robert.
Any help in getting a little furter back with these families, or mother's names, would be greatly appreciated 
Regards
Matt
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Durham: Reay, Dixon, Corkin, Turnbull, Coxon.
Northumberland: Thompson, Reay, Stothard/Stoddart.
Gloucestershire: Wertheim , Howell, Lile/Lyle/Liles, Berrow, Westcott.
Suffolk: Fisher, Flatman, Baker, Smith.
Fife: Herd, Pearson, Moyes.
Lanarkshire: Russell, McCartney, McGill/Magill.
Whitburn: Millar, Bryce.
Ireland: Owens and Fox (Tyrone), Quinn (Armagh), O'Brien, McCartney (County Donegal).
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Monmouth: Griffiths, Wertheim, Gardner.
Carmenthenshire: Thoma
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1861 RG9 3839/44/34
Tynemouth
Chirton
Pit Row
James Turnbull head mar 30 coal trimmer b.Northumberland N Sheilds
Mary wife mar 32 do Horton
Robert son 9 scholar do N sheilds
John son 8 do do
Richard son 5 do do
Thomas son 3 do
Mary Thompson neice 10 servant do
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This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRidgway. Salop.Lancs.Stoke on Trent. Colclough.Ackley.Adams.Harris.James Longton Stoke on trent Staffs. Scholes.Collinge Middleton Lancs. Gogerty.Deavonporte Salop. |
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Ecneps
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Was just about to post this link to Matt's other thread, already got the Turnbulls in 1861 & 1871...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02pm/
Barbara
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Just repeating the 1871 info:
1871 census RG10/5115 fol.76 p.25
Jenny Lind Inn, Percy Cottages, Chirton, Northumberland
James Turnbull head m 41 Licensed Victualler
Mary " wife m 43 " " wife
Robert " son u 20 Butcher
John " " u 18 "
Richard " " 15 Labourer
Thomas " " 13 Scholar
James " " 11 "
Mary Jane " dau 7 "
Isabella " " 5 "
Ellen " " 3 "
MARY THOMPSON serv u 20 Barmaid
all born Tynemouth
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By 1891 census James Turnbull had died ~ this may be his death reg:
Dec Qu 1881 Tynemouth 10b 96 aged 50
1891 RG12/4225 fol.84 p.37
Jenny Lind Public House, Percy Main, East Chirton, Northumberland
Mary Turnbull Head Wid 61 Publican Blyth Northumberland
Robert " Son Wid 39 Butcher Philadelphia "
Mary J BOOTIMAN Dau M 27 Lodger East Howdon "
Isabella TURNBULL Dau S 25 Dressmaker "
Elizabeth E " Dau S 23 Domestic Servant "
Jane E PEEL Servant S 14 General Servant "
James H TURNBULL Grandson 9 Scholar "
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This is possibly James earlier:
1851 HO107/2410 Fol.51 P.20
26 Bedford St, North Shields, Tynemouth
Jane Turnbull head wid 35 Furniture Broker
James " son 15 Shipwright
Thomas " " 13 Scholar
John " " 6 "
all b. North Shields
1841 Ho107/825/6 fol.13 p.18
New York, North Shields
Turnbull
John 40 Labourer
Jane 35
Eleanor 15
James 10
Richard 5
James 8
Thomas 3
Yes I know - 2 James in same family, but relationships not given in 1841
Barbara
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Did the marriage cert for James Turnbull/Mary Thompson say that James' father John was deceased? And what was Mary Thompson's father Robert's occupation? Were there any occupations listed for James & Mary?
A possible for Mary in 1841/51 census:
1851 HO107/2410 fol.442 p.17
Cullercoats, Tynemouth, Northumberland
in household of William Brunting & family
Mary Thompson serv u 22 Fisherman's servant North Shields, Northumberland
1841 HO107/821/4A fol.27 p.11
Cowpen, Horton, Northumberland
THOMPSON
Robert 60 Coal Miner
Jane 50 Wife
John 24 Coal Miner
Mary 12
all born Northumberland
wonder if Mary's brother John was father-to-be of Mary Thompson/Turnbull as she was this Mary's niece?
Will check later census for him tomorrow
Barbara
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Reaybo M
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Yes apologies, Robert Thompson, not Turnbull.
I'm a tad sceptic about the Turnbull's but I am certain the Rob Thompson found in Cowpen is mine, that is also down as Mary's birthplace on a census on our other thread.
Just a case of logging it now. It's interesting that Jenny Lind Inn was owned by James Turnbull and Mary Thompson. They must have been quite well known in Chirton Town.
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Durham: Reay, Dixon, Corkin, Turnbull, Coxon.
Northumberland: Thompson, Reay, Stothard/Stoddart.
Gloucestershire: Wertheim , Howell, Lile/Lyle/Liles, Berrow, Westcott.
Suffolk: Fisher, Flatman, Baker, Smith.
Fife: Herd, Pearson, Moyes.
Lanarkshire: Russell, McCartney, McGill/Magill.
Whitburn: Millar, Bryce.
Ireland: Owens and Fox (Tyrone), Quinn (Armagh), O'Brien, McCartney (County Donegal).
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Monmouth: Griffiths, Wertheim, Gardner.
Carmenthenshire: Thoma
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Did the marriage cert for James Turnbull/Mary Thompson say that James' father John was deceased? And what was Mary Thompson's father Robert's occupation? Were there any occupations listed for James & Mary?
These details would help
Also there's a Chirton village site, someone on there might be able to help with info about the Jenny Lind pub?
http://www.chirton.org/
Barbara
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Reaybo M
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Hi Barbara,
The marriage cert does not give any indication John Turnbull was deceased. But James is down as being a Pitman, Mary had no occupation. There residence at time of marriage as far as I can make out was Forth Bank.
As for Robert Turnbull, as far as I can make out, his occupation was Pitman, the certificate looks like it says pirate haha! But its not...obviously 
I cant make it out.
It is something like Pitm(i/s)e, could be Pitman.
Hope this helps, thankyou for the link to the Chirton site I will have a look now
Matt
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Durham: Reay, Dixon, Corkin, Turnbull, Coxon.
Northumberland: Thompson, Reay, Stothard/Stoddart.
Gloucestershire: Wertheim , Howell, Lile/Lyle/Liles, Berrow, Westcott.
Suffolk: Fisher, Flatman, Baker, Smith.
Fife: Herd, Pearson, Moyes.
Lanarkshire: Russell, McCartney, McGill/Magill.
Whitburn: Millar, Bryce.
Ireland: Owens and Fox (Tyrone), Quinn (Armagh), O'Brien, McCartney (County Donegal).
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Monmouth: Griffiths, Wertheim, Gardner.
Carmenthenshire: Thoma
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Unfortunately, the Chirton Village site Barbara quoted is in Wiltshire, so not the one you are looking for.
Apologies, my mistake!
Your family were not living in the 'village' of Chirton....probably nearer to Percy Main village. These days, the two connect to each other.
1891 RG12/4225 fol.84 p.37
Jenny Lind Public House, Percy Main, East Chirton, Northumberland
Yes I did give this address as Percy Main, as stated in the 1891 census
Barbara
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Reaybo M
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Thanks guys, I have put the info onto the tree. Interesting to see Jane Turnbull (widowed in the 1851) is a Furniturer Broker. That's a new one for me.
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Durham: Reay, Dixon, Corkin, Turnbull, Coxon.
Northumberland: Thompson, Reay, Stothard/Stoddart.
Gloucestershire: Wertheim , Howell, Lile/Lyle/Liles, Berrow, Westcott.
Suffolk: Fisher, Flatman, Baker, Smith.
Fife: Herd, Pearson, Moyes.
Lanarkshire: Russell, McCartney, McGill/Magill.
Whitburn: Millar, Bryce.
Ireland: Owens and Fox (Tyrone), Quinn (Armagh), O'Brien, McCartney (County Donegal).
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Monmouth: Griffiths, Wertheim, Gardner.
Carmenthenshire: Thoma
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