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Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« on: Friday 06 June 08 16:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
I'm wandering out of my comfort zone of the Photo Restoration Board, to request help from the military experts wrt interpreting some of the squiggles / terms on my grandfather's RN Service Record
In particular I would welcome clarification of the ratings and sub-ratings, and also the badges / medals  (I know Ord is Ordinary Seaman: AB is Able Bodied Seaman: PO is Petty Officer: CPO Chief Petty Officer, the rest is as clear as mud!)
Any help would be much appreciated

I was interested to see that he lied about his age when joing up, as he was actually born in November 1881
I was also surprised to see, from my other Grandfather's Service Record,that they were both briefly on the same Training ship in Plymouth at the same time, at the age of 15, and their paths crossed a few more times before the other Grandfather was invalided out in 1909, I wonder if the knew each other before my parents met up?

Sorry for rambling on, but though it would add some meat to the bones ;D ;D ;D

I look forward to getting some feedback
Mudge

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 June 08 17:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry about that!  Told you I was out of my comfort zone :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Will this pass muster ??? ???
Mudge

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 June 08 17:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Mudge

I think "B2cl"means "Boy 2nd Class", and "B1cl" means "Boy 1st Class". He should have become an "Ord" around his 18th birthday.

Ken

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 June 08 17:23 BST (UK) »
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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 June 08 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken
Thank you for that, it makes sense. :) :)
I should have worked that one out myself :( :(  However I couldn't read the writing 8) 8)  I didn't realise it was a 2, and I thought the c was an e, but looking at it now I don't know why :-[ :-[
Thanks for the quick response
Mudge

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 June 08 17:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Again

Here is a link I have found - http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/RN/Pay_and_Condns/Pay_1860_Ratings.htm

I am now unsure about the second rating on your list. Does this mean he was a Boy for about 12 years!?

I cannot find a list of the meaning of the sub-ratings.

Ken

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 June 08 21:18 BST (UK) »


I cannot find a list of the meaning of the sub-ratings.

Ken


Ken

I got an RN service record from the same period recently and thought that B2C and B1C may have been Boilerman 1st and 2nd Class but your explanation makes more sense given his age and the fact his recognised service only started on his 18 th birthday after he'd already done 2 or 3 years on ships.

I hoped this site may help to explain things

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-reference/glossary_of_ranks.htm

but it seems not.

Going from my record and having a guess, I think it's a non-specialist position. My record shows him being an LTO all the way from an AB to PO (NS) then fianlly becoming a TGM - Torpedo Gunner's Mate? - and a Day GM  - daytime Gunner's Mate?

I think it needs a naval expert or, more likely, a trip to Kew to see the logs of each posting. In which case, did RN shore stations like HMS Pembroke and Victory II keep their own logs?

Glen

Bezant (London/Suffolk), West (London/Essex), Walker (Yorkshire), Phillips (West Country - believed Bristol area), Tibbetts (Warwickshire), Armstrong (Co Fermanagh), Harvison (Co Wexford), Neeb (Germany), Becker (Germany), Jakobsson (Finland). Kanneworff (Germany and Denmark)

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 07 June 08 00:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken & Glen
The link Ken quoted, namely:
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/RN/Pay_and_Condns/Pay_1860_Ratings.htm
shows "Boy of First Class" & "Boy of Second Class" at the bottom of the table, so I think that is now firmly established
Thanks for that
Mudge

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Re: Help required re RN Service Record interpretation
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 June 08 11:55 BST (UK) »
Anyone any ideas about the sub-ratings (both sheets)?
Mudge