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Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« on: Friday 17 July 09 15:39 BST (UK) »
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On the IGI there is a marriage between John Williams to Hannah 1827 Rhos, Ruabon. On the record it states that John b1800 Rhos. 'William' has told me that Hannah's surname was Lewis, from a previous posting, but this is not recorded on the IGI.

Is this the correct marriage and if so, this would seem to tie in with John bc1800 as on census that is the date he gives.

Which leads me to a baptism for John, of which there are quite a few!! :o

How, if possible, do I know which is the correct baptism for John?

Any help appreciated as I have picked up the Welsh threads again, in the (vain?!) hope that I can get a bit further ;D

Thanks for reading,

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Denbighshire: Names - Davie,s Roberts, Hughes, Williams, Phillips
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Flintshire: Names - Edwards
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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 July 09 17:00 BST (UK) »
Hi sigrid  :)

The marriage that you've found on the IGI is a patron submitted one and I don't see it in the parish records for 1827 so it must be treated with great caution.

I'll see if I can find an alternative.

Do you have the link to the thread where William told you that his wife was Hannah. Also, any censuse refs that you have would help trace them.


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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 July 09 17:11 BST (UK) »
The best match that I can find for John  is a baptism on 25th May 1800:

John Williams s/o Thomas and Sarah. Residence - Morton Above

Morton Above included  Rhos. It's the only one for a John  in Morton Above in the broad time frame.



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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 July 09 17:16 BST (UK) »
I see that this is the family in 1851:

HO107/2503/318/17

The eldest child on this census is John Williams, aged 23 so that would probably be why the 1827 marriage date was submitted to the LDS.


I'll see if I can find any more..................


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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gadget. I asked about Hannah last august, I don't know how to do the link, sorry. It was a census lookup. There were three possibles and having looked at them again I think  ??? that John and Hannah are Hannah's parents.

The entry for Hannah was on the IGI, she had a sister Ruth.
Denbighshire: Names - Davie,s Roberts, Hughes, Williams, Phillips
Denbigh, Penythn, Ponciau, Ruabon, Ponciau
Flintshire: Names - Edwards
Ysgeifiog, Llanfwrog, Flint, Greenfield

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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:26 BST (UK) »
Hi sigrid

I'll have another look in the parish records later on this evening. The IGI is not a very good source for our area so it's best to try to get C of E/non-conformist records if possible.


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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:30 BST (UK) »
I have Hannah parents John and Hannah on the 51, same as you.

61 couldn't find.
71 Hannah , mother in Law RG10 5653 ?? p36

I got this off genes and it doesn't show the folio on the sheet I printed.

They are in Hall st, Hannah b1807.

I also traced the other two possibles as you never know!
Denbighshire: Names - Davie,s Roberts, Hughes, Williams, Phillips
Denbigh, Penythn, Ponciau, Ruabon, Ponciau
Flintshire: Names - Edwards
Ysgeifiog, Llanfwrog, Flint, Greenfield

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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:32 BST (UK) »
I think this is the earlier thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319825.0.html

LOts of missing pieces on the 1861

It's 5 pages so I'll have a good read to refresh my memory  :)
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Re: Rhos Marriage/birth date on IGI
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:38 BST (UK) »
Yes, that's the one. Thanks very much for the offer of looking through the pr's.

That would explain why I couldn't find them!

 Enjoy the read, as I have refreshed my memory too. How do you do the link, just so I know in future?
Denbighshire: Names - Davie,s Roberts, Hughes, Williams, Phillips
Denbigh, Penythn, Ponciau, Ruabon, Ponciau
Flintshire: Names - Edwards
Ysgeifiog, Llanfwrog, Flint, Greenfield