JackieQld_au Scavenger Hunt......Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Tephra]

Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt......I think you might have fun with this one.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

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I’m searching for John William HOOPER’s marriage to Ann, or Annie SULLIVAN.

According to his death cert. he died 24th July 1897 in Clifton Hill, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
He was a brassfounder aged 61 years.
Father:  John HOOPER, Coach Plater
Mother: Unknown
Born: London, England
He had been in Victoria for 32 years.
He married at age 22 in London to Ann SULLIVAN
Informant:  John William HOOPER (son) Age 38 years.
There are no other issue from the marriage.

I’m taking an educated guess at saying that Ann had a say in the information given, for on her death cert. (Informant the same person) it states “not known” for the marriage information.

According to the death cert. of Ann, she was 79 years old on 15th October 1912.
She had been in Victoria, Australia for 48 years and was born in Limerick, Ireland.
Parents were unknown.  Cemetery records and her headstone say Annie HOOPER.

However, so saying that…

There is only one John HOOPER who almost perfectly matches the information on the 1861 Census.

John HOOPER, head, age 23, Brassfounder, b. Lambeth
Ann HOOPER, wife, age 22,                          b. Lambeth
John HOOPER, son, age 2 or 3,                      b. Lambeth

I can’t find the marriage of John (William) HOOPER to Ann SULLIVAN.
I can’t find the birth of their son, John (William) HOOPER.
I can’t find the family coming to Australia.

Further research led me to believe that my John William HOOPER was in fact b. 6th April 1838 Lambeth.  He was the eldest of John William HOOPER and Elizabeth COPP.

I’ve been in contact with descendants of his siblings in England and they originally said that John disappeared off the face of the earth.  They believe their missing John is my John.  John’s siblings were also in the brass trade.  It all seems to match.

In summary…

John William HOOPER 1st mar. Elizabeth COPP
John William HOOPER 2nd mar. Ann SULLIVAN
John William HOOPER 3rd was informant on both his parents death certs.

There is a John William HOOPER 4th but I have his details.

I’ve got birth cert. and death cert. for JW2
I have death cert. for Ann.
I just can’t find their marriage or birth of their son, JW3.

If anyone can help, I’d appreciate it.

Jackie

[toni*]

Gosh am i the first   

Ireland is tricky to search unless you know likely County and also religious denomination

[deeiluka]

Here's John William Hooper Senior's marriage in case you don't have it, Jackie....but I can't see a marriage for son John. 


John William Hooper married Elizabeth Copp on 31st October 1837 at Saint Mary At Lambeth
Fathers’ Names = William Hooper & Josiah Copp



Dee

[toni*]

why do you think that .......

There is only one John HOOPER who almost perfectly matches the information on the 1861 Census.

John HOOPER, head, age 23, Brassfounder, b. Lambeth
Ann HOOPER, wife, age 22, b. Lambeth
John HOOPER, son, age 2 or 3, b. Lambeth


I’ve been in contact with descendants of his siblings in England and they originally said that John disappeared off the face of the earth. They believe their missing John is my John. John’s siblings were also in the brass trade. It all seems to match.

..........he doesnt belong to you ?

[deeiluka]

why do you think that .......

There is only one John HOOPER who almost perfectly matches the information on the 1861 Census.

John HOOPER, head, age 23, Brassfounder, b. Lambeth
Ann HOOPER, wife, age 22, b. Lambeth
John HOOPER, son, age 2 or 3, b. Lambeth


I’ve been in contact with descendants of his siblings in England and they originally said that John disappeared off the face of the earth. They believe their missing John is my John. John’s siblings were also in the brass trade. It all seems to match.

..........he doesnt belong to you ?

Toni......I think he does....or at least, that's what Jackie and the other family think.   



Dee     

[deeiluka]

Thisa is the Hooper family in 1851.....

HO107/ 1570/ 251/29
Lambeth, Surrey, England

John Hooper 35 Plater born Bloomsbury
Elizabeth Hooper 38 born Bloomsbury
John Hooper 13 Errand Boy
William Hooper 11
Elizabeth Hooper 9
James Hooper 4
Children all born Surrey.
 
 

But I can't find them in 1841!

[JackieQLD-au]

I believe the John HOOPER that married Elizabeth COPP is the correct one.  I have their marriage certificate.

What confuses me is the 1861 census says Ann was born in Lambeth.  Her death certificate says Limerick, Ireland.

I tend to believe the census as she personally would've supplied the information.

Jackie

[JackieQLD-au]

Yes, that's them on the 1851 census.  There was another son after that, Edwin.

This information was given to me by descendants of the family in England.

[toni*]

Dee i think he does too, but i am unsure why we are searching for him when you know who he was ?