William and Martha Hanmer, Bilston- COMPLETED with many thanks

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Hi 

Help!  I've been trying to find what happened to my grt grt grandfather's elder sister,  Martha Hanmer nee Stokes, and her family for a long long time now. I have them in the 1841 census in Wolverhampton but then they seem to disappear.

This is what I have:

Martha Stokes baptised 2 February 1817, St Martins, Shropshire. Parents - Edward Stokes and Catherine m.s. Jones

Marriage:  Martha Stokes and William Hanmer, Dec q, 1837, Oswestry, vol 18, page 192

Birth of daughter Mary Ann: Mary Ann Hanmer Sept q, 1838, Wolverhampton, vol 17, page 292

Birth of son Edward Hanmer: Edward Hanmer Mar q, 1840, Wolverhampton, vol 17, page 332

1841 Census:
26 Oxford Street,  Bilston, Wolverhampton
HO107/1001/3/6/5

William Hanmer, 28, miner
Martha Hanmer, 24
Edward Hanmer, 1
Mary Ann Hanmer, 2*
Edward Hanmer, 13  (William's brother)
John Stoakes, 19, miner  (Martha's brother - my 2 x grt grandfather)
Richard Jones, 18, miner

All born outside county except the children


* Mary Ann is also listed in St Martins with her grandmother, Catherine Stokes HO107/916/2/8/9

I've also found this death:

Edward Hanmer Sept q, 1841, Wolverhampton, vol 17, page 174

Most of the Stokes family moved from Wolverhampton in the 1840s - some back to St Martins and Chirk, Denbighshire and others to Normanton, West Yorks.

I've searched for the Hanmers on subsequent censuses and BMDs but can't find a real hit. There is a Mary Hanmer, aged 12 in Shropshire in  the Ellesmere workhouse in 1851 but this is not likely to be Mary Ann as there was a birth for a Mary Hanmer in Ellesmere in 1839.

There was a cholera epidemic in that area in the 1840s I believe but I've not found any death certs. I don't think they would have emigrated and I've not found anything so far.  I have all Martha's siblings accounted for and they're not with them.

I'd be grateful for any leads.

Thanks



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I am going to mention this 1880 USA census if only to rule them out.

South Versailles, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

William Hanmer  66 born England Invalid?
Martha Hanmer  63 born England keeping House
Jane Hanmer   38 Daughter born England
Sarah A. Hanmer   12 granddaughter born Pennsylvanie
Lilleymay Hanmer   6       "                              "
Jenna B. Hanmer   2        "                             "

Think I have found this family in 1860 US census and William is a Carpenter not a Miner as in the 1870 census below.

Pittsburgh Ward 6, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

W Hanmer 47 (William)
M Hanmer   44  (Martha)
E Hanmer   15 (Elizabeth)
W Hanmer 9 (William)
H T Hanmer 1 (Henry)

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Passenger List to New York

July 5th 1843  The Ship Massachusetts
Wm Hanmer 30
Martha Hanmer 26
Mary Ann Hanmer 4 (ties in with 1841 english census)
Jane Hanmer aged 1 (ties in with 1880 USA census)

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The same family on the USA census in the

1870 census

South Versailles, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

William Hanmer 57 born England...........William is a Miner on this census.
Martha Hanmer 53 born England and keeping house
William Hanmer  18 born Virginia
Henry Hanmer 11 born Pennsylvania


A possible for 1850 USA census as William above was born shortly after in Virginia

Upper, Chesterfield, Virginia

William Hanmour 37 born England
Martha Hanmour 34
Mary Hanmour   13
Jane Hanmour   8
Elizabeth Hanmour   6

Tressle

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Hi Tressle 

Thanks ever so for that info. The passenger list seems to confirm them 

I don't think they would have emigrated

Well!
 
It looks as if the Edward Hanmer death that I found in 1841 was the young son. 

I know that another of Martha's brothers moved from the potteries to New Jersey later on.

Are there any death records, etc. that I might be able to locate them on?


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I looked at that 1860 one but I read it as them all being born England 

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Hi, the 1860 with them as initials has parents down as born England and the children as born VA? is that short for Virginia - or is it PA, but looks like VA to me.

H T is on later census married.

Tressle

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I wonder if it is worth putting it on the USA boards to see if any one can come up with that information as it may help to prove this is your family - or not as the case may be.

Tressle

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Hi, the 1860 with them as initials has parents down as born England and the children as born VA? is that short for Virginia - or is it PA, but looks like VA to me.

H T is on later census married.

Tressle

Just had another look. I'd read the VA as a -do-   which was what threw me!

It looks very like my 3 x great aunt and family to me. I'm very grateful to you. I just didn't see them as going to the US 

My Dad said that some of his ancestors went to Pennsylvania but I thought that he'd got mixed up with the New Jersey ones - and he said it was the Roberts line 

I'm fairly OK with Canadian records but I still flounder with US ones (I was spoilt by a New Jersey cousin who found things  )


Thanks ever so.


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