Cowan Family - Troon

[Debra]

I am trying to find ANY records, for the Cowan Family.
Father: John Cowan born 1850.
Mother: Agnes nee Smith born 1864
and children:-
Margaret b 1884
Agnes b?
Jessie b?
Mary b?
Hetta b?
Jemima b 15.05.1896
John b 30.03.1897
James Gilmore b 20.02.1901

I believe that 2 of the daughters came to Australia first, then the rest of the family, followed.  I have no marriage records for John and Agnes nor do I have birth records for them.  I believe that they lived (near the beach) at Troon, if that is any assistance.
I believe that the family came to Australia, some time before WW1.

Many thanks

Debra
Qld Australia

[runningbear]

hi debra,

following up on your post, i wonder if you have any new information yet regarding your family?

i have done a little research into your john cowan

john cowan was the son of hector and margaret gilmore, on the igi's is their marriage(8/6/1836)(extracted) all the  records are extracted unless say sub(submitted, so cannot be trusted as true but here they are anyway)all christening dates

the cowan children from troon

jane...6/5/1838
margaret...5/4/1840
james...13/7/1842(sub)
barbara gilmore...22/8/1844
janet burns...15/10/1848
john...28/4/1850

andrew and mary are not on the igi's that i can see.

there is also a sumitted entry for the death of jane(1838) in glasgow for the 17/10/1897

1841 census-portland street, troon, dundonald

hector...age 26...grocer & spirit dealer
margaret...age 26
andrew...age 5
jean...age 3
margaret...age 1


1851 census-portland street, troon, dundonald

hector...age 38...wine & spirit merchant...born coylton
margaret...age 40
andrew...age 14
margaret...age 11
james...age 8
barbara...age 6
mary...age 5
jessie...age 2(i believe this to be janet burns)
john...age 1

all born troon unless stated otherwise

census details from freecen

now back to hector cowan, i believe that he is the son of andrew cowan and jean walker, who married in coylton 8/3/1797(extracted) all the igi's are submitted so cannot be trusted.

the cowan children, all born coylton

john...1801
william...1804
charles...1806
david...1809
hector...1812
margaret...1815
thomas...1823

here is the family on the 1841 census

1841 census-west drumsuy, coylton, ayrshire

andrew...age 70...farmer
jane...age 60
charles...age 35...ag labourer
janet...age 35
david...age 30...ag labourer
thomas...age 15...ag labourer
andrew...age 13...ag labourer
janet...age 2(no idea what the relationship is??)


i believe that margaret gilmore was the daughter of james gilmore and jean ritchie.

james and jean ritchie had their banns read twice on the 2/12/1796 at dundonald and symington.

all the children's details are extracted from the igi's

gilmore children all born dundonald(troon)

elizabeth...christened...25/9/1797
james...christened...25/6/1799
mary...christened...6/2/1801
elizabeth...christened...20/6/1803
barbara...christened...11/6/1805
jean...birth...19/12/1807
margaret...christened...6/2/1810
david...birth...24/2/1812
james...birth...28/6/1814
jean...birth...5/12/1816

a quick look at the 1841 census for the gilmore family shows them to be in portland street, troon also.

i hope some kind soul follows up with the census details of the families debra.

always searching

Joe

[Debra]

Hello Joe,

I must apologise for not replying earlier, but I have only just found the posting.  Thank you so very much for all of that information.  Haven't yet had an opportunity to look carefully through it all but you have gone to so much trouble.  Thank you so very much you assistance is greatly appreciated.

Bye for now.
Deb

[runningbear]

hi deb,

1901 census- 8 west portland street, troon

john...age 50....dairy-man
agnes...age 38
margaret...age 16...stationer shop girl
agnes....age 15...baker shop girl
jessie...age 11
mary...age 9
hector...age 7
merron...age 5
john...age 4
james...age 2 months

1891 census- 8 west portland street, troon

john...age 40...dairy-man
agnes...age 27
margaret...age 6
agnes...age 5
jessie...age 1
hector...age 79...dairy-man

looks like john married agnes around 1884, their marriage details will be on sp, i reckon your agnes smith was the daughter of archibald and mary cochran.

1881 census- back temple hill, troon

hector...age 68...publican
john...age 27...commercial clerk
mary...grand-daughter...age 18....female servant...born monkton

1871 census- portland street, troon

hector...age 59...spirit trader
margaret...age 59
margaret elliot...grand-daughter...age 5

1861 census- 18 portland street, troon

hector...age 49...spirit merchant
margaret...age 50
andrew...age 24
jane...age 22
margaret...age 21
james...age 18...iron monger clerk
barbara...age 16
mary...age 15
jessie...age 13
john...age 11


if you confirm the birth details of your agnes we can then locate the family on the census giving you a whole view of your family tree, leaves included.


Joe

[runningbear]

would you believe it deb!!!

hector's father andrew was on the 1851 census

hector's mother jean walker made it to the 1861 census!!

great news eh?

i hope andrew made it past 1855 as you will be able to get a death cert from sp and that will confirm his parents and take you back a further generation, andrew was born 1769.

jean walker was born around 1776 and there is an extracted igi that may be her

jean...christened...july 1776 dau of james and margaret caruthers, her death cert will confirm this.

and their farm west drumsuie in coylton may still be in existance...

1851 census- west drumsuie farm, coylton

andrew...age 82...farmer of 80 acres
jane...age 75
charles...age 43
david...age 41
thomas...age 27(married janet 17/4/1849)
john...grand-son...age 26...mechanic...born dundonald
andrew...grand-son...age 23...born dundonald
janet...daughter in law...age 25...domestic duties (wife of thomas, nee somerville)
andrew...grand-son...age 5 months. (son of thomas...born 23/10/1850)


1861 census- west drumsuie farm, coylton

jean...age 85



Joe

[Debra]

Hello again Joe,

Thank you so very much for all of those census details.  I have received, Agnes Smith and John Cowans marriage certificate, Johns parents were Hector Cowan (dairyman) West Portland Street Troon and Margaret Gilmore who had died at the time of John and Agnes' marriage on 13th April 1888.  Agnes' parents were James Smith nailmaker Prestwick Road Newton, Ayr and mother Margaret Dick.  Register was signed on 3rd May, 1888 at St Quivox.

You have given me so much valuable information, I can't begin to thank you.  Have had all sorts of trouble trying to sort out my Cowans until now.

Bye for now,
Deb

[Debra]

Hello again Joe,

I have just noticed on the marriage certificate, that James Smith was dec'd at time of John and Agnes Cowan's marriage

Deb

[runningbear]

hi deb, finding it hard to relate agnes to james and margaret dick.....

have you agnes's birth cert or the parents marriage cert

making me wonder if the parents were married...

Joe

[Debra]

Hi Joe,

Have now found Andrew Cowan and Jean Walkers marriage, Hector Cowan's birth as well as marriage records to Margaret Gilmour.  Have had less success finding marriage for James Smith and Margaret Dick, although I have a couple of hundred Margaret Dick marriages to sort through yet.

Thanks so much for your help

Deb