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Title: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK): If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.

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Title: Wagstaffe, Bell and Goodwin Macclesfield
Post by: Black Sheep on Thursday 08 January 04 20:32 GMT (UK): I am looking for more information on John Wagstaffe who was a surgeon in Sutton, Macclesfield around 1825-1830.

He had a son in 1838 called Henry but I have been unable to find a birth or baptism record. In the 1841 and the 1851 census he is not living with his parents.

I had thought the John and his wife may have died but he attends Henry's Wedding in 1856 quite a mystery ::)

I am also looking for a Silkman from Macclesfield Ralph Goodwin born 1775 who married Rebecca and had several children called Emma Henrietta, Ralph Samual, Horatio Robert and Henry Whitehead Collinson who I believe may have been an adopted son.

Last but not least Joseph Bell who married Jane and had a son called Robert Bell in 1827.

If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Stuart on Sunday 11 January 04 15:53 GMT (UK): Researching the PHETHEAN surname and is close derivatives (Phetheon, Phitheon, Phytheon etc) in Bowdon from about 1600 - 1780 and before that in Brereton and Warmingham 1500 - 1650.

Also researching the family history of the PHETHEAN families in Bolton and Farnworth, Lancs. from c 1720 - present day.
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lloydy on Friday 06 February 04 09:24 GMT (UK): Searching the CHALLINOR (Challenor) name from SHOCKLACK, Cheshire.

My GG Grandfather Richard Challinor was born 21 Mar 1830 Shocklack, Married (1) Emma Hughes, (2) Jane Trow.

I am trying to find out who his parents were, his father could possibly James Challinor. ???
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 06 February 04 11:11 GMT (UK): Although I have the relevant Census data for my Ancestors from 1851 through to 1901 - I am still missing a lot of information from the first census that was of use to family historians; namely the 1841 as follows:

1841 Census for Macclesfield
1. George SWARBROOK, Innkeeper and his wife Mary (possibly at the Rose Inn in Brasshouse Street.). George should be 34 and Mary should be 35 in 1841. They also have a daughter named Sarah who would be 9 in 1841 - (Both George and Mary died before the 1851 Census.)
2.   Henry SWARBROOK, Publicans Servant on the 1851 Census at the Grove Inn aged 55.
3.   Mary SWARBROOKE should be 27 in 1841 – did not marry till 1845. Her parents Joseph and Hannah did not die until the mid 1850’s. Was married but still living at home in Macclesfield on the 1851 census.
4. Samuel SWARBROOK should be 14 in 1841 possibly living in Windmill Yard or Square – parents were Samuel and Sarah.
5. Thomas SWARBROOK should be 10 in 1841, brother to the above Samuel.
6. Harriett SWARBROOKE should be 17 in 1841. Possibly living at home with her parents Samuel & Sarah as above.
7. Samuel SWARBROOKE, Silk Worker or Grocer should be 43 in 1841. Married to Sarah in 1822 – Father of the above Harriett, Thomas and Samuel. Possibly in Windmill Square or Yard.
8. John SWARBROOKE aged 86 at his death in 1843 (should be about 84 in 41) in Northwich
All the above in Red found for me by PeterBennett - Thankyou Peter
9.   Henry SWARBROOKE aged 67 at his death in January 1858 at Union Work House, Prestbury Road, Macclesfield – should be 50 in 41 Census.

1851 Census for Macclesfield
1.   Harriett BRADLEY (nee SWARBROOKE) should be 27 in 1851 (she married in 1844). Possibly living at home assisting in her parents shop in Windmill Square.(Samuel & Sarah)
2.   Henry SWARBROOKE aged 67 at his death in January 1858 at Union Work House, Prestbury Road, Macclesfield – should be 60 in 51 Census.

Thanks

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: FindingAncestors on Tuesday 09 March 04 07:32 GMT (UK): Hello, ::)
I am researching my LANGFORD , LLOYD lines. I have a Thomas LANGFORD shoemaker b.circa 1787 in Cheshire died 1847 in Mollington, ( have his last will and testament), his children all born in either Saughall and/or Mollington. LLOYD not sure yet ???, but somewhere in Cheshire I have an Elizabeth LLOYD b.circa 1836ish, to a Thomas LLOYD a brewer, don't have her mother as yet.. Elizabeth LLOYD married John LANGFORD in 1855 in Chester. (Have marriage cert). LANGFORD families lived in the Gt.Saughall, Gt.Mollington areas,(early 1800's --1851), and later in Ellesmere Port and Liverpool Lancashire.
Cheers! C :)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Soltown on Tuesday 09 March 04 17:05 GMT (UK): I'm researching the Ashworth families of Hyde,Cheshire.
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Catherine on Monday 15 March 04 18:59 GMT (UK): Hi!

I am researching Rustidge/Rustage Family of Tabley, Cheshire. Interested at moment in finding on early census, with their children, Michael born 1792 Tabley and Fanny (nee Boond) b. 1795 Tabley, Married in Rostherne 1819.

Catherine :)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: stretchie on Monday 05 April 04 18:55 BST (UK): My research is taking me to Norley, Kingsley, Frodsham and Runcorn.

CONNECTION TO THE CHALLONER FAMILY OF KINGSLEY.

The BELL family.
William, BELL b.1826c - NORLEY, son of John Bell.
Martha CHALLONER - FIRST WIFE
Ann ASHBROOK b.1842 - SECOND WIFE.

Annie b.1861
Thomas b.1863 *** had a butchers in RUNCORN.
Martha b.1866 *** Joseph CHALLONER *** Bertram MARSH (West Derby)
John b.1868
siblings with second wife, Ann Ashbrook;
George William b.1883 *** had a butchers in WIDNES
Elizabeth Selina b.1888

ANYONE WITH INFO ON THE BELL FAMILY FROM NORLEY?
stretchie.

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Title: Dickinson and Whitaker
Post by: leslie48 on Friday 09 April 04 21:02 BST (UK): I'm looking for information on my Dickinson family that came from Stockport/Dukinfield/Ashton Under Lyne area. William Dickinson, born about 1814 and wife Sarah Whittaker, also born about 1814. They married in Stockport in 1837. Sons Thomas, born in 1838 and Luke in 1842, both in Dukinfield. They were christened in St. Michael's Church, Ashton Under Lyne.

The family came to America in 1843 and settled in Buffalo New York.

I have sent away for a copy of the marriage record of Wm and Sarah in hopes that it will list the parents names.

Any information appreciated.

Leslie in Florida
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 10 April 04 14:30 BST (UK): Posted by: leslie48 Posted on: Yesterday at 09:02:29pm
I'm looking for information on my Dickinson family that came from Stockport/Dukinfield/Ashton Under Lyne area. William Dickinson, born about 1814 and wife Sarah Whittaker, also born about 1814. They married in Stockport in 1837. Sons Thomas, born in 1838 and Luke in 1842, both in Dukinfield. They were christened in St. Michael's Church, Ashton Under Lyne.

The family came to America in 1843 and settled in Buffalo New York.

Hi Leslie
With ref. to the above I have the following info. found in the 1841 census of Dukinfield Cheshire HO/107/109/3 p.19 address Old Road Dukinfield
Sam Whittaker 67 labourer born in county
Sarah ~ 68 ~ out of county
Wm Dickinson 26 gas founder ~ ~ ~ ~
Sarah ~ 28 ~ in county
Thomas ~ 2 ~ ~ ~
Luke ~ 3 months ~ ~ ~
Good deed for today done
regards
peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: wrjones on Sunday 25 April 04 17:33 BST (UK): i am researching the Griffiths Family in the Cheshire Border area with Wales in the 19th Century,and also the Griffiths Family in Ellesmere Port from 1920 to date.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: walkupp on Friday 30 April 04 15:33 BST (UK): I live in the US, but my great-grandparents came from Cheshire. Surnames I am researching are:
Johnson, Walker, Barnett, Reed

Any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 30 April 04 15:41 BST (UK): Hi
Are there any particular areas of Cheshire you have in mind
or any date periods
or particular person you need info on

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: stretchie on Thursday 06 May 04 09:50 BST (UK): STRETCH FAMILY - CHESTER.

Joseph Samuel STRETCH and Ann Edith DAVENPORT (Tarporley) - NORLEY area on 1881 Census.
George b.1880 / Jane b.1881 / Arthur b.1883 / Frederick b.1884

Connection to Cuddington Stretch's

Ann Stretch died in 1886 and Joseph married MARY COOPER, they had a son born 1896 - Joseph.

Joseph Samuel Stretch died in 1940 at the age of 82.

WOODS LANE, NORLEY 1881.
44 TRAFFORD ST, CHESTER IN 1901
62 TRAFFORD ST. IN 1907.

Connected to Delamere Station Cottage's 1880's
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June Thompson on Saturday 15 May 04 16:41 BST (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.
MULLINER In Bridgemere/Wybunbury
June
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 15 May 04 18:50 BST (UK): Hi June
Welcome is there anything in particular that your wanting to find at the present timE.

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June Thompson on Saturday 15 May 04 20:21 BST (UK): Hello there,

Yes, I am trying to find Richard Mulliner who was born abt. 1836/7 at Wybunbury or Audlem. I have found his family on the 1851 Census living at Woore, in Shropshire. His father William Mulliner was stated to have been born in Wybunbury, Cheshire (Aged 46 yrs)
his wife Mary & the older children were stated to have been born in Audlem Cheshire, and the younger ones in Mucklestone, Shropshire. Richard is not on the Census with them. At the age of 14 he could have been
working elsewhere. When Richard married 24.12.1861
at the Parish Church Wybunbury he was living at
Bridgemere, and his bride Esther Jackson was living at
Doddington. I believe Woore is only about a mile away from Bridgemere, but its moving from one County to another County.
I would appreciate any help you could give.
Regards,
June
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 16 May 04 10:08 BST (UK): Hi June
You seem to have done very well up to now.
I think that what you are probably missing is some census details from 1841. I may be able to help with the Cheshire side assuming the Mulliner family had not moved to Shropshire by then, can you tell approx from the ages of the children when they moved.
It may take a while to search the census pages (not indexed)
but will get back to asap.

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June Thompson on Sunday 16 May 04 18:59 BST (UK): Hello Peter,

Thank you very much for you reply, its very kind of you.
I have looked at the 1851 Census again and its as follows:-
William Mulliner-Son-18-Born Audlem
James " -Son-16-Born Audlem
Mary " -Daug-10-Born Mucklestone
Ann " -Daug- 8-Born Mucklestone
George " -Son 5 Born Mucklestone

Richard was born 1836/1837 but was not on the Census with them.
Its difficult because Mary appears to be the first child
to be born in Shropshire, but it depends on the date in 1841 she was born whether the family were in Shropshire or Cheshire.
Thanking you for your help
June
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 18 May 04 12:10 BST (UK): Hi June
May I suggest that you post a census lookup request for Richard in 1851/1861 in Cheshire/ on the main board,If you havn't already searched it.
I have started to search the 1841 for the whole family (no luck as yet)but this won't help you find him in 1851.
It is possible of course that he was missed of the census altogether.

let me know if you have any luck.

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kelly on Saturday 22 May 04 07:46 BST (UK): I'm looking for information on the PLEAVIN family of Saighton, Chester circa 1800.
My ggg grandmother Mary PLEAVIN was born circa 1809 in Saighton (according to later census info that I have). I would dearly love to trace her baptism details and to find some information about her parents.

I'd be very grateful for any help.

Many thanks

Dorothy ::)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 22 May 04 13:26 BST (UK): Hi Dorothy

I have found several Mary Pleavin's in and around Chester but only one born 1809.

source 0599896 IGI batch p009691

Mary Pleavin birth 29th Aug 1809
~ ~ baptised 22 April 1810 at Churton Heath Cheshire.
Father Charles Pleavin
Mother Ann Pleavin

In order to cross reference could you reply with details of the earliest census details you have for her,and or marriage details.
I can then search the family with more confidence.

Hopefully this will be your Mary but census ages cannot be trusted.

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kelly on Saturday 22 May 04 13:59 BST (UK): Thanks, Peter for that information.
The details I have for Mary PLEAVIN are as follows:-

Marriage to Thomas MILLER (MELLOR) 26 Jan 1834, St. Peter's church, Liverpool

1851 Liverpool census - Mary MELLOR, wife aged 42, born Saighton, Cheshire,

1881 census Liverpool census - Mary MELLOR, Head (now a widow) aged 73, born Saighton, Cheshire

1891 census, Liverpool Mary MELLOR, widow, living on own means, aged 83, born (Sughton?) Cheshire

On her daughter, Susan Ellen's birth cert. in 1847 - Mary Mellor, formerly Plevin. Susan's father was Thomas Mellor.

Hope this might help.

Many thanks

Dorothy :)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 23 May 04 10:15 BST (UK): Hi Dorothy

Have noticed that the marriage of Mary and Thomas was in Liverpool 1834, It would be an idea to search the 1841/51 Liverpool census for her parents, It seems unlikely to find that she moved there on her own.
In the mean time I look through the Cheshire 1841,
it isn't indexed so may take awhile.

peterbennett

p.s I have just found your name spelt Pleyvin and the chaps son was Pleavin. !!!!!!!
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kelly on Sunday 23 May 04 10:25 BST (UK): Thanks for the advice, Peter. I'll try the Liverpool census for her parents. Pleavin is a fairly unusual name - it's hard to believe there are so many variations!!!

Kind Regards
Dorothy :)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 27 May 04 11:08 BST (UK): Hi June
"Its difficult because Mary appears to be the first child
to be born in Shropshire, but it depends on the date in 1841 she was born whether the family were in Shropshire or Cheshire"

I have searched the BMD 1837.online and cannot find a birth for Mary in Shropshire (searched 1840-1843) the only birth that was interesting was a Mary Ann registered in Nantwich ref. xix 163 3rd quarter 1841 could this be her ?

I did find a marriage of William Mulliner and Mary Duckas 29/12/1824 at St. James the great parish church in Audlam,
in the Bertram Merral index of Cheshire marriages.

I searched the 1841 census Audlam/Bridgemere areas and did not find your William Mulliner family,there were several others which I will post if you want them.

It is very possible that Mary sen. went back to Audlem relatives when it was time to have Mary jun. It may be a good idea to buy the birth certificate.

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June Thompson on Thursday 27 May 04 11:33 BST (UK): Hello Peter,
Thank you very much for all the effort you have made on my behalf with the MULLINER Family, I really appreciate it.
The marriage you have found of William Mulliner and Mary Duckas 29/12/1824 is the marriage I have got for them.
I think the answer is like you say to buy the birth certificate for Mary Junior.
Or failing that check out the 1841 Census for Shropshire.
By the way, I just thought I should let you know that this is not my MULLINER Family I am researching.
Its the family of a friends daughter. She is only 17 and is really enthusiastic about doing her Family History. I think it is absolutely brilliant that she is doing it now at such a young age. Don't we all wish we had started researching years ago. I've managed to help her get back this far with her MULLINERS, so I'm now hoping to take them back even further.
Thanks again for your kind help Peter,
Best Wishes,
June

good on'er and well done you for the encouragement, when I tried with my son he was 18, he said he was doing his own research into the oldies she's female and nearly 25.

Good luck

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Bob81 on Thursday 27 May 04 21:51 BST (UK): I was wondering if anyone could help me?

I'm looking for information on the Sadler family, particularly from Witton, Davenham and Northwich.
My 3rd great grandfather was James Sadler, born c.1830-1831 in Witton. He later became a flat waterman and moved to Widnes, probably in the 1860s.
I've found quite a few Sadlers from the Witton area living in Tabley St Witton St and Church Lane around the 1850's but i can't find the link! A William Sadler and (another) James Sadler were born in Witton around the same time and went on to become watermen (1851 census), any suggestions???
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Catherine on Friday 28 May 04 08:09 BST (UK): Hi!

Have you tried this site for Cheshire, there is quite a number of Sadlers surnames on there, it covers the Northwich area, and you can do a surname search.

http://www.geocities.com/fountalnpen/index.html

Catherine :)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research / Mellor in Mottram
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 28 May 04 19:09 BST (UK): mellor, borrett and armitage families on: Thursday 20 May 2004

Dear peter, hi, I am looking for information on pinder mellor born 1859 broadbottom,mottram,cheshire and his son robert mellor 1895-1951. Robert,s wife was bertha borrett 1894-1958 in hyde. Pinder,s wife was Hannah matilda hey. Bertha,s parents were henry borrett 1854-1938 and mary ann armitage 1854-1942 in hyde. Thankyou peter for your help . Also I have a question, How does a person find out obituaries for their ancestors. Thankyou again. Rob King.

Following this P Message I have searched backwards starting around Pinders birth here is what I have up to now.

Pinder Mellor
Born 1859 (Cheshire BMD)
Christened 21st Aug 1859 at Mottrom (IGI)
Father John Mellor (IGI)
Mother Elizabeth Pinder (IGI)

John Mellor married Elizabeth Pinder
1849 St. Micheals Mottram (Cheshire BMD)

b]1841 census HO 107-100-11 folio 15 Summer bottom Mottram[/b]

James Mellor head 50 calico dyer not born in county
Mary ~ wife 50 ~ ~ ~
Sarah ~ daug 20 cotton shaver born in county
Mary ~ ~ 15 ~ ~ ~ ~
Millycsent ~ 15 calico print works ~ ~
John son 12 app. ~ ~ ~Joe ~ 9 ~ ~

1841 census HO 107-100-9 folio 5 Mottram-in-Longdendale

John Pinder head 45 plumber born out of county
Sarah wife 45 ~ ~ ~
Mary daug 20 ? ? ? ~ ~ ~
Jane ~ 20 ? ? ? ~ ~ ~
Joseph son 15 plumbers app. ~ ~
Ann daug 15 weaver born in county
Sarah ~ 14 ~ ~ ~
Elizabeth ~ 13 ~ ~

1861 census sorry no access
1851 to come shortly

1871 Census RG10 4090 folio 63 West End Mottram

John Mellor head 41 dyer at print works born Mottram
Elizabeth wife 42 ~ ~
James W son 17 clerk at print works ~ ~
Pinder son 11 scholar ~ ~

1881 census RG 11-4060 folio 61 Hurst Cresent Mottram

John Mellor head 52 block printer b Broadbottom Mottram
Elizabeth wife 52 Mottram Cheshire
Pinder son 21 joiner BroadbottomGeorge Kinlock boarder 23 chemist Hayfield Derbyshire

1891 census not found

1901 census index http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/

Pinder Mellor 41 Cheshire Broadbottom Cheshire Mottram Joiner And Cabinet Maker
Hannah Mellor 43 Cheshire Mottram Cheshire Mottram
not checked for children

will post again when I have more info.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: KC on Sunday 30 May 04 07:28 BST (UK): Hi,
I am researching the following Stockport names
O'Hara, Froggat, Pearson, Ashton, Fitzsimmons, Johnson, Greacan and vairants... Graycon etc
Thanks
Kay
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: MAE on Monday 31 May 04 17:26 BST (UK): dear peter; I wanted to thankyou for your information. rob king
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Friday 02 July 04 22:25 BST (UK): I have discovered that my greatgrandmother HANNAH READ was born in Wilmslow Cheshire in 1875, but, although I have her marriage certificate (she married WILLIAM E JOYCE in Oct.1891 in Manchester), and know that she died in 1929, I cannot find any trace of her family, apart from she states on her marriage certificate that her father was JOHN THOMAS READ, Brickmaker, deceased, and I found her in the 1901 census, living in Manchester with her husband and 7 year old daughter, Catherine. But her mother is living with them and states her name to be ANN PROCTER, widow, aged 54, born Wilmslow Cheshire.
Why would her mother's name be PROCTER and not READ? Could she have remarried after Hannah's father died? I'm stumped and can't think what to do next. I've tried to send for a birth certificate for HANNAH READ but Stockport register office told me they can't find her. Anyone any suggestions, please?
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 02 July 04 22:46 BST (UK): Hi Jack

Found this on the 1891 census

RG12/ 3256/ Folio 77/ Page 41 - Bradford, Lancs

Read, Hannah, 17, born Wilmslow, Cheshire, Residence Bradford, Lancashire.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Friday 02 July 04 23:20 BST (UK): Chris, thank you SO much! Can you make out which street she's living in? Is she a boarder, perhaps? Her husband (my greatgrandfather) lived in Bradford, so that must be where they met, and I'm wondering if he was nearby. :D Thanks again, Marie (Jack33)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 02 July 04 23:26 BST (UK): Hi Marie

I will go back into the census and see what extra information I can find

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 02 July 04 23:34 BST (UK): Hi again

It looks like Number 8 Hampson Street, and there is another person also called READ in the house as well (last entry on previous page) - see second scan.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 02 July 04 23:43 BST (UK): Hi Marie

Found another lodger in Bradford (9th Line down)

RG12/ 3257/ Folio 72/ Page 26 - 19 Brewery?, Bradford, Lancs

Williams occupation is General Labourer

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Saturday 03 July 04 10:39 BST (UK): Chris, you truly are a star! My mother remembers that her grandmother had a sister, Sarah Jane (Sally), who moved to London after she married, so it looks like you may have found her for me.
There's a record of a birth of a Sarah Jane Read in Wilmslow on the Cheshire BMD site, but it's for 1867, not 1869, as I would have expected from the census scan you sent me. Still, I'm going to send for the certificate, and see where that leads me.
And you also found William Edward Joyce.....I knew he was lurking nearby, somewhere!
I can't thank you enough.
Best wishes,
Marie (Jack33) (the odd username was my 16 year old's idea......something to do with his love of heavy rock...don't ask!)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 03 July 04 12:01 BST (UK): Hi Marie

Nice to be able to help and glad you found it useful.

Listen to everything mum says, it will be invaluable in later research.

Keep in touch, would love to know what the certificate says.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 03 July 04 16:20 BST (UK): Hi Marie
Just in case you missed it there is this birth also on the Cheshire BMD

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
READ Hannah Wilmslow Cheshire East WIL/18/55

In the 1881 census is Sarah Jane
No sign of the rest of the family

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
James THORNLEY Head M Male 31 Stockport Licenced Victualler
Ellen S. THORNLEY Wife M Female 35 Dunham, Cheshire, England
Benjamin STOTHER Stepson Male 9 Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England Scholar
Frances M. STOTHER Stepson Male 5 Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England Scholar
Sarah J. REED Serv Female 13 Wilmslow, Cheshire, England General Servant

Source Information:
Dwelling 142 144 Brinksway Rd The Egerton Arms
Census Place Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341832
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3473 / 9
Page Number 11

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Sunday 04 July 04 17:15 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
I didn't have that information, so thank you very much. As you can probably tell, I'm pretty new to this, although I've done quite a bit of research on my Scottish ancestors (Dad's side), and it is SO much easier!
I only came across this site a couple of days ago, not really expecting much, but I'm overwhelmed by the generosity I've been shown, and I have some definite leads that, I hope, will tell me a lot more about my family history.
Thanks to you, and to Chris, again.
regards,
Marie
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 06 July 04 17:30 BST (UK): Hi Marie
I think this may be your family in 1871.

1871 Mobberley Ches. RG 10 3680 folio 89 Newton Hall Lane

Charles Peers head w 56 ag/lab Mobberley
Thomas Read son-in-law m 28 ~ ~ Chorley Ches
Ann ~ wife m 23 Wilmslow
Sarah Jane ~ daug 3 ~
Elizabeth ~ ~ 1 Mobberley

It would seem that Ann may have been a Peers and that she and Thomas had another daughter Elizabeth.
I do not have the 1861 census to search but in the 1851 there is know sign of either family. I will keep looking though.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: magbett on Wednesday 07 July 04 04:19 BST (UK): Searching Gould family Stockport and Great Longstone and ???

1- In particular, am trying to find birthplace and antecedents of George Gould born about 1771...living in Stockport in 1830's-40's ...possibly 1820's also..died there in 1849 though buried in Great Longstone 12/23/1849...age listed as 78. Need to find if listed in 1841 Stockport census

Married Martha Hulley (born@1781 Great Longstone) in 1801 Bakewell ....lived for about 20 years in Great Longstone ...not found in 1841 GL census so may be in Stockport 1841 census since 1849 death record lists Stockport as abode ...widow apparently then moved to Great Longstone to live with son George Jr. She died there in 1851 at 69.

2-George Gould Jr born 1808 in Great Longstone ...married Mary Waterhouse 1833 Cathedral Manchester. Son William baptized Dec 1, 1833
Parish Church Stockport (would this be All Saints) ...by Rev C. K. Prescott ...lived on Newbridge Lane...occupation cordwainer/shoemaker

Son John also born in Stockport ...apparently George Jr and Mary moved back to Great Longstone probably late 1830's ...were in 1841 census Great Longstone, living on Main St...George listed as shoemaker then as cordwainer in 1851 census. Mary died 1860 age 48; George Jr died 1882 ...age 74

Known Children of George Sr and Martha. Hulley Gould.. all born in Great Longstone: Mary (died as infant); John; Isaac (believe died in childhood); George; James; Martha; William; Thomas; Anne

Known Children of George Jr & Mary Waterhouse Gould...born in Stockport: William T. (emigrated to US); John; following born in Great Longstone:Elizabeth; Joseph; Thomas; Anna or Hannah; Harriett (who was living with George Jr at time of his death ... Harriett had married J. Nadin)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 07 July 04 11:46 BST (UK): Hi Magbet

Welcome to Rootschat, I may be able to help you with the 1841 Stockport census lookups, unfortunatly the census does not have an index and therefore unless you have an area,street address, or parish it could take forever to search the pages, do you have a street or parish for George and Martha maybe from georges death certificate ? If you have specific questions relating to census and other records it is best to post your queiry on the main board under census lookups, this will get you the most attention from members.
The main parish church ( All Saints ) in Stockport would be St. Mary's. All other churches came under the umberella of St. Mary's until they started to form there own parishes from the mid 1840's onwards.
If you can find the parish address for George, I will be only to pleased to search 1841 for you.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: magbett on Wednesday 07 July 04 13:47 BST (UK): Thanks Peter for the welcome...info...and lookup offer!!!! :)

I have not been able to locate Stockport death certificate for George I .....have checked but only record for George Gould dying in (or around) 1849 in Stockport was an 8 month old...perhaps since burial took place in Great Longstone, no record was made in Stockport

I do have burial record from St. Giles in Great Longstone which lists his abode/residence as Stockport (at time of death)....no street was listed

One grandson was christened at St. Mary's ....so if it is not too much trouble, could you check that parish.

As mentioned George II was cordwainer/shoemaker living on Newbridge Lane in 1830's ...son John was born in 1838 (Stockport Second) and William 1833 ,,,,appears family moved in 1840 or early 1841 to Great Longstone since listed there in 1841 census.

Again thank you!!!!
Mary Ann (magbett)
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Wednesday 07 July 04 14:01 BST (UK): Hi Peter and Chris,
Peter, thanks for the latest info, but I seem to getting more confused than ever!
I received back from Macclesfield the two birth certificates I sent for on Saturday.....not bad service, eh?.....for Hannah Read and Sarah Jane Read.
They confirm that these were sisters (same parents and addresses), but they list father as Thomas Read (Hannah states that her father was JOHN Thomas Read on her marriage certificate), and mother was Ann Read, late Pallant, formerly Morrall.
The father is said to be Labourer in Brickyard (Hannah's marriage reg. states he was a brickmaker).
So, come on fellas, what are the odds that this is the family I'm searching for?
Peter, you say that Ann Read (1871 census) may have been a Peers. In the 1901 census Hannah has her mother living with her and her husband William E, Joyce, and shes down as Ann PROCTER , widow, 54.
Where do I go from here?
You've both been so helpful, can I ask for more....grovel...grovel.
regards,
Marie ;D
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 07 July 04 15:17 BST (UK): Hi Marie
The ref to Marrall and Pallant seem to pan out as follows
Ann Marrall born Wilmslow 1841
married William Pallant at Prestbury 1863
~ ~ died at Prestbury 1863 aged 20
This seems to leave Ann as a widow. There is no marriage for Thomas and Ann mentioned in the Cheshire BMD,so it may be they didn't marry but lived as man and wife, which was not unusual at that time.

Can you provide the birth address's as described on the birth certs, I don't know where the name John Thomas came from, the only J.T.Read born in right area of Cheshire was not born until 1853 so I think you can discount him.
There was a Thomas Read born Alderley ( Chorley ) Ches in 1844 which seems to be right.
We will I am sure get to the bottom of this it might take some time though, as Thomas and Ann are not on the 1881 census, strange.

With regards to Ann being a Peers this came from the 1871 where Thomas is described as a son-in-law of Charles Peers I will investigate further this Charles.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Wednesday 07 July 04 17:00 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
You are SERIOUSLY impressing me!
The address given on both Hannah and Sarah's birth certificates is Booth Terrace, Fulshaw, Wilmslow, Cheshire.
This is in both 1867 and 1873.
Anything you can come up would be wonderful.
Thanks once again,
Marie
Title: Re:Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 07 July 04 18:34 BST (UK): Hi Marie
Don't be to impressed, I cant find a Booth anything in Fulshaw or the surrouding townships on the 1871 census. I still think that the 1871 Mobberley details I gave you are the correct family, the way to prove it would be to buy Elizabeths birth cert, I know its expensive but it may prove the family is right or wrong either way we can then move on.
I will search the 1851 census for Wilmslow tommorrow to see if Ann can be found as a Morrell.

bye for now

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: alan.fairhurst on Sunday 11 July 04 15:45 BST (UK): Hi. My name is Alan and I am researching:
FAIRHURST - Cheshire & Lancs: HALL - Crewe & Derby: BUTTERWORTH - Crewe & Rochdale: MAINWARING - Haslington, Cheshire. JONES - Crewe & Caernarfon.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 11 July 04 16:28 BST (UK): Hi Alan
Welcome to Rootschat, can you tell us how far down the line you have got with your Cheshire research, and is thier anything you need help with??

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: alan.fairhurst on Sunday 11 July 04 20:17 BST (UK): Hi Peter. Yes indeed. My brick wall at the moment is Thomas FAIRHURST born abt. 1756 place unknoqwn. He died in Middlewich, Cheshire, Feb. 1837 and was buried at St. Michaels, Middlewich.
I'm trying to find a birth/Baptism for him. His Father was Richard FAIRHURST born about 1730 and died in 1804 in Ashton. Thomas's mother's name was Margaret, maiden name unknown at present.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 12 July 04 16:50 BST (UK): Hi
Not sure if I can suggest anything at the moment other than Cheshire R.O.
Do you know if Thomas married at all and where? I have a Cheshire Marriage index, you say that his father died in Ashton is that A-on-Mersey or A-under- Lyne??
It would seem that you have searched some parish records to have got as far back as you have,can you tell me which ones.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Friday 16 July 04 13:44 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
Just wondering if you have had the time to further look into my READ family? You mentioned looking for Ann MORRELL in the Wilmslow 1851 census. Any
luck?
There seemed to be a couple of possible leads that you said you may be able to follow.
I've not yet sent for Elizabeth READ's birth certificate, but intend to do so.
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you've put into this for me. :)
best wishes,
Marie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: alan.fairhurst on Friday 16 July 04 14:18 BST (UK): Hi Peter. We have the baptism entry for Thomas in Davenham. The entry gives his parent's & Grandparents names.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 16 July 04 14:28 BST (UK): Quote from: alan.fairhurst on Friday 16 July 04 14:18 BST (UK)
Hi Peter. We have the baptism entry for Thomas in Davenham. The entry gives his parent's & Grandparents names.

Hi Alan
Glad to hear youv'e cracked this one, would that have been St. Wilfreds church Davenham ? where did you find the record?
The info may help someone else

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 16 July 04 14:40 BST (UK): Quote from: jack33 on Friday 16 July 04 13:44 BST (UK)
Hi Peter,
Just wondering if you have had the time to further look into my READ family? You mentioned looking for Ann MORRELL in the Wilmslow 1851 census. Any
luck?
There seemed to be a couple of possible leads that you said you may be able to follow.
I've not yet sent for Elizabeth READ's birth certificate, but intend to do so.
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you've put into this for me. :)
best wishes,
Marie

Hi Marie
I havn't forgot you, I have been trying to sort out the correct Morrell family there are a couple with a daughter named Ann both about the right age. Lifes never easy is it. I keep picking it up, scratching my head and putting down again, but I promise a concerted effort this weekend. Let me know when you have birth details for Elizabeth.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Friday 16 July 04 14:58 BST (UK): Thanks, Peter. I'm away from tomorrow until Thursday (mini break in beautiful Bruges) so will be back in touch when I get back.
regards,
Marie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Kimberley on Sunday 18 July 04 13:00 BST (UK): Henry HENRY father of Sarah Ann HENRY,was recorded as a "Smith" on Sarah Ann's marriage certificate on 8th October 1871,at St Peter's Church,Ashton under Lyne.
Wondering if Sarah HENRY born Hartshead (Tameside:HAR/16/69) www.cheshirebmd.org.uk 1851 is daughter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of Henry HENRY - "Smith"
Any help welcomed !
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 18 July 04 17:12 BST (UK): Hi Kimberley
I have searched all the 1871 census resourses that have been published without finding Sarah or Henry.
One way to find out and proberbly the quickest would be to buy the birth certificate.

Sorry I can't be more help

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 20 July 04 13:41 BST (UK): Quote from: jack33 on Friday 16 July 04 14:58 BST (UK)
Thanks, Peter. I'm away from tomorrow until Thursday (mini break in beautiful Bruges) so will be back in touch when I get back.
regards,
Marie

Hi Marie

Re 1851 census I am going to plump for Ann Morrall born Wilmslow 1841, ( see scan ) the other Ann born 1844 is shown on the census as born Mobberley. The way to prove this is right of course is to buy the marriage certificate of Ann and William Pallant ( 1863 prestbury ).
It is difficult to go back further without this comfirmation.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 20 July 04 15:52 BST (UK): Hi Marie
I have been searching for further census details for Ann
and found the 1891 census

Name: Proctor, Ann
Age in 1891: 44
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where Born: Wilmslow, Cheshire

Civil parish: Beswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Beswick and Bradford Christchurch
County: Lancashire

Street address: 31 Hassop Street

Proctor, Ann 44 Wilmslow, Cheshire married Head Beswick Lancashire
Proctor, Frederick 6 Manchester, Lancashire Son Beswick Lancashire
Proctor, Harriet 8 Manchester, Lancashire Daughter Beswick Lancashire

Source information: RG12/3260
Registration district: Prestwich
Sub registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Folio: 22
Page: 38

I then thought that if as you said Ann was living as a widow with her daughter Hannah Joyce in 1901 where were her children especially 16 year old Frederick. See next post for a surprise.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 20 July 04 16:24 BST (UK): Hi Marie
Surprised to find this with Ann !! on it. It seems as if she wanted to be Mrs although not married, unfortunatly her daughter Hannah on her census form put widow as I suspected she has been since 1863.
The only census I can't find her on is the 1881 was she "married" to someone else then ???

27 Milton Street Bradford north Manchester
RG13 3762 folio 77

George Proctor married head 48 pipe layer water works Hitcham Suffolk
Ann ~ ~ wife 54 Wilmslow Cheshire
Harriett ~ single daug 19 cotton card room hand Manchester Lancs

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: princessalex on Wednesday 21 July 04 05:19 BST (UK): I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford. Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 21 July 04 12:13 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Wednesday 21 July 04 05:19 BST (UK)
I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford. Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you

Hi
Welcome to Rootschat,
Can you tell us where you think he may have been born,died.?

North Cheshire FHS have a lookup service for monumental inscriptions which covers many areas including Grappenhall, this link should take you there.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CHS/NorthChesFHS/meminscr.htm

good luck

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Geoff of Devon on Thursday 22 July 04 14:34 BST (UK): Hi,
I am researching the family of William Hill from Warrington and am missing the Hills from the 1871 census. In 1881 they were living at 18 Nicholson St, Warrington when William was a railway engine driver.
William Hill was born ~1834 Lowton, Golborne, Lancashire. He married Elizabeth b ~1834 Poulton or Padgate, Lancashire. Thair children were Sarah Ellen b1861-1869 Joseph E Hill born ~ Dec 1865 Albert E born ~ 1867 Margaret Martha b~ MAR 1870, all born in Warrington.
Thanks,
Geoff.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 22 July 04 15:08 BST (UK): Hi Geoff
Warrington in 1871 was in Lancashire, it was moved into Cheshire during boundary changes in 1974.
Found it for you anyway

Civil parish: Warrington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 43 Golborne Street

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County

Albert E Hill 3 Warrington Son Warrington Lancashire
Elizabeth Hill 38 Poulton, Lancashire, England Wife Warrington Lancashire
Joseph E Hill 5 Warrington Son Warrington Lancashire
Louisa Jane Hill 11 Wagan Daughter Warrington Lancashire
Margaret M Hill 1 Warrington Daughter Warrington Lancashire
Mary Ann Hill 14 Warrington Daughter Warrington Lancashire
Sarah Ellen Hill 9 Warrington Daughter Warrington Lancashire
William Hill 38 Lowton, Lancashire, England Head Warrington Lancashire

Source information: RG10/3904
Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Folio: 123
Page: 31
Household schedule number: 137

household on 2 pages

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Geoff of Devon on Thursday 22 July 04 16:10 BST (UK): Thanks Peter, :D
That's why I was so confused between Lancashire and Cheshire BMD sites! ::)
Now I have two new names to play with.
Most appreciated.
Geoff.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jack33 on Thursday 22 July 04 22:38 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
Got back from my short break a couple of hours ago, but couldn't wait to see if you'd managed to find anything more for me.
Now, maybe I'm just too tired to be taking this in properly, but are you saying that Ann Proctor was 'married' to this George that you found on the 1901 (?) census, and had a daughter, Harriet, aged 19 living with her?
If so, how could she be on the 1901 census, living at 32 Eldon Street Bradford Manchester with her married daughter, my ggrandmother, Hannah Joyce, and stated to be a widow, aged 54, born Wilmslow Cheshire.
Hannah and william Joyce are definitely my ggrandparents, so I presumed that Ann Proctor who was staying with them (relation to Head M in Law) had to be the right one.
Am I just confused, or am I missing something? as I said, I'm very tired ??? so I'll take another look tomorrow.
In the meantime, let me thank you again for all the effort you are putting into this for me.
With much appreciation,
Marie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 23 July 04 10:16 BST (UK): Hi Marie
It would seem to me that Hannah's mother Ann had been unwed since the death of her first and only proper husband William Pallant in 1863, She then took up with Thomas Read and lived as a married couple calling herself Mrs Read, I have yet to find Thomas again after 1871. She then around 1880 took up with a George Proctor and again not married but calling herself Mrs Proctor and either having more children herself ( or they may have been George's from a previous marriage a birth certificate would show the truth ) did not like people to know she was not married, and it seems that her daughter let the cat out of the bag on the 1901 cenus when she put widow. She was probably visiting on the day of the census and got included.
It is not uncomman to find a person listed at 2 address's on a census, I have several in my lot.
It would seem that the only thing Ann did not fib about was where she was born, which connects this person Ann to Wilmslow right through the census years. I did check every Ann born Wilmslow and living in Lancashire on the 1891/1901 census, which convinces me that its the same person all the way through.
The tale will go on.

hope this makes sense
regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lesley Marten on Sunday 01 August 04 00:57 BST (UK): My interests are PERKIN at Antrobus and RATHBONE at Northwich.

So far only back as far as Joseph Perkin, born 1828, at Antrobus (although I know his father's name was Samuel, a farmer).

Have sketchy information back to George Rathbone and Margaret Johnson, who married 1791 at Great Budworth.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 01 August 04 10:47 BST (UK): Hi Lesley
Welcome to rootschat, If there is ever anything you need help with please ask, I have most of the Cheshire census info back to 1841, and parish marriage indexes pre 1837.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lesley Marten on Sunday 01 August 04 15:39 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Many thanks for your kind offer. Straightaway, I would be very grateful for anything you can turn up for my Joseph Perkin in any of the censuses pre-1881 or his family and in the Antrobus parish records. At the moment I am presuming Joseph's parents to be Samuel Perkin and Sarah Percival, who married 1811 at Witton, St. Helen, as these are the only likely candidates I have found in the area. I know a Samuel Perkin, farmer, was Joseph's father from Joseph's marriage certificate to Fanny Broomhead at Warrington St. Paul in 1868. Joseph's occupation was a Wheelwright. Joseph and his family were living in Beech Lane, Weaverham at the time of the 1881 census. He stated his place of birth as Antrobus in the 1891 census. The only other thing I know about Joseph is that he had previously been married, I think to Martha Moseley in 1846, although I'm yet to send for the certificate to confirm this is the right Joseph.

Many, many thanks once again for anything you can find.

Lesley
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: odessa on Sunday 01 August 04 21:02 BST (UK): Hi Lesley,
The BVRI has some baptisms listed at Weaverham(St Mary's) for children of Joseph Perkin & Fanny.
Sarah 11 OCT 1868
Mary Ellen 05 FEB 1871
Joseph 07 JUN 1874
James 05 NOV 1876
Elizabeth 08 NOV 1878
You can check these entries by asking Cheshire Records Office for photocopies from the film of the Registers (quite reasonably priced) I'll see what else I can find for you.
Regards,
odessa
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: odessa on Sunday 01 August 04 21:10 BST (UK): Hi Lesley,
The BVRI also has a baptism at St Mary's, Gt Budworth for a Joseph PERKIN son of Samuel Perkin & Sarah on 04 APR 1824. Gt Budworth would be a possible parish church used by families living in Antrobus. There are also other children attributed to Samuel & Sarah baptised at Gt Budworth.
Again this entry can be checked at CRO.
odessa
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lesley Marten on Sunday 01 August 04 23:22 BST (UK): Dear Odessa

Many thanks for the info. Do you by chance have the details of the other children for Samuel and Sarah? I'm not expecting to be able to get to the CRO any time soon unfortunately.

Regards

Lesley
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: odessa on Monday 02 August 04 07:42 BST (UK): :) Hi Lesley,
Yes, here they are..........children of Samuel Perkins & Sarah recorded at Gt.Budworth.
Martha bap 27 JUN 1813
Abigail bap 18 JUN 1815
Martha bap 09 NOV 1817
Edward bap 14 NOV 1819
Anne bap 13 JAN 1822
Joseph bap 04 APR 1824
Sarah bap 10 SEP 1826
Samuel bap 28 SEP 1828
Ellen bap 09 JUN 1833
Margaret bap 31 MAY 1835
You can order photocopies from CRO on-line or by post, it may be worth ordering one for Joseph Perkin, as the birth is pre registration, and the index is not 100 per cent reliable. You will also learn the fathers occupation and where in the parish they were living, this might help confirm that you have the right Joseph.
Regards,
odessa.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 02 August 04 16:24 BST (UK): Hi Lesley
I have the following from the 1841 census

Antrobus HO 107- 92- 2 pages 3/4 Perkin and Moseley

The only one not found is Joseph, I searched all the Runcorn reg districts. Its possible he worked and lived in Warrington in which case you would need the Lancashire pieces, which I do not have. I will look at the 1851 for you sometime tomorrow, I there is anything you cant read on the scan let me know.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lesley Marten on Monday 02 August 04 22:10 BST (UK): Odessa

Thanks for the info. - I had no idea I could order stuff online from the CRO!!! Many thanks for the tip.

Peter

Thanks for the 1841 census image, which I can read fine.

Cheers both

Lesley
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 03 August 04 14:31 BST (UK): Hi Lesley
There are no signs of any Perkins family except Josephs daughter Mary in the 1851 Runcorn census pieces.
Here are the Moseley's with granddaughter Mary still at the same address.

HO 107 P2164 folio 39/39a

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lesley Marten on Tuesday 03 August 04 17:50 BST (UK): Peter

Many thanks again for all your help.

Lesley
Title: Re: ROBERTS - Heswall/Claughton-cum-Grange
Post by: Rosemarie on Wednesday 04 August 04 19:48 BST (UK): Hi

I live in the West Midlands and am researching the family of Mary Roberts born Heswall 1847.

Mary Roberts married William Howard of Liverpool in 1871 and on her marriage certificate her father was shown as Daniel Roberts, occupation gardener.

He may also have been known as David or his name may have been transcribed incorrectly as David on the 1881 cenus - just a theory! I really need access to the censuses for 1851/61/71 to make any progress.

I transcribe for FreeBMD and at present am also indexing a piece of the 1871 census which results in my own research being sidelined. If anyone can help with Mary Roberts I'll be eternally grateful.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 05 August 04 17:47 BST (UK): Hi
I dont have any of the Wirral 51,61,71, but do have the 1841 and have searched the Heswall peices, finding 3 families headed by those named below only one David aged 1 and no Daniels. the pages are very difficult to read, so have not posted all the names, I would be guessing but you can eliminate these.

HO 107 127 2 F4 Charles Roberts 20 ag/lab born in county

HO 107 127 2 F8 William ~ 35 ~ ~

HO 107 127 2 F9 Joseph ~ ~ ~

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: sheppie on Thursday 05 August 04 20:43 BST (UK): My names interests in Cheshire are:
Michael Martin PIERCE (real name probably Michael Joseph PIERCE) Born Seacomb Dec 11, 1903.
Hannah Theresa PIERCE married Daniel JOY (2 children Daniel and Patricia Ellen)
Richard Pierce emigrated to USA about 1914 married Louise, 2 children Eileen and Richard jnr
George Anthony PIERCE
Lilian PIERCE
Anthony PIERCE born1865 Galway City, Ireland, Mariner
Married Theresa Lyons.
My website is http//:www.geocities.com/sheppie1uk/shep2.html
Title: Re: ROBERTS - Heswall/Claughton-cum-Grange
Post by: Rosemarie on Thursday 05 August 04 22:11 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thank you for checking out ROBERTS on the 1841 census. It's possible the family moved to the Cheshire, possibly from from Wales, in the 1840's. I think the 1851 census would be my best chance of tracing them with any certainty brcause I know they were in Heswall in 1847. I think they moved to Claughton later although I don't know when.

The registrar at Birkenhead has confirmed that Mary's father definitely signed his name as Daniel when she married but there was no address given. I know, however, that first names can't always be relied on because my great grandfather was James on the 1881 census and Patrick on the 1901 and his name was actually Patrick James. Also, the writing on old records sometimes makes it difficult to differentiate between David and Daniel.

I wonder if the actual census records or scanned copies are available for inspection anywhere because I feel that seeing them is the only way I can make any progress.

Best wishes and many thanks, Rosemarie.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 12 August 04 15:51 BST (UK): Hi Rosemarie

I have just recieved some details of Heswall parish records re your Roberts family.

Baptism from bishops transcripts

DATED 28 05 1849
FORENAME MARY ANN
SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME DANIEL
MOTHER_FORENAME ANN
SURNAME ROBERTS
OCCUPATION LABOURER
RESIDENCE HESWALL

this is the only baptism to Daniel and Ann Roberts that appears in the Heswall record.

Will get back when I have the 51 census

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: ROBERTS - Heswall/Claughton-cum-Grange
Post by: Rosemarie on Thursday 12 August 04 22:45 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thanks for the info on Mary Roberts. I'd convinced myself her mother's name would turn out to be Mary which shows how careful one must be not to jump to conclusions. It'll be interesting to see what the census turns up and what other family members there are.

I'm going to Asutralia in a couple of weeks to visit my son and his family and will be back the first week in October although I hope to be able to pick up my emails whilst I'm there - I'll have to ask my son to explain in words of one syllable how I go about it!.

Thank you once again,
Rosemarie.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: JDGen on Saturday 14 August 04 18:18 BST (UK): Here goes with my first post about my ever elusive Beckett family.
I have found them on the 1841 census living at Ainsworth Lane, Crowton
Thomas Beckett 34 Farmer Y
Elizabeth 37 Y
Henry 9 Y
William
Ellen 5 Y
Alice 3 Y
James 1 Y
If anyone is able to send me the image for this, I would really appreciate it.

In 1851, the only members of the family I can find are Henry (2166/133) working as a farm servant with the Darlington family, and Alice (2165/43) recorded as a visitor with the Youd family (mother Elizabeth's maiden name is Youd).

The mystery is where are the other members of the family and parents in 1851 (or any in between census's)? ???
I have the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census records.

TIA,

Jean
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 15 August 04 13:43 BST (UK): Hi Jean

Welcome, hope we can help. With ref to 1841 census,I have the following. Which doesn't seem to tie in with your folio numbers.

HO107 98 7 F2 Horton with Peele

Joseph Beckett 40 farmer born in county
Margaret ~ 35 ~ ~
Joseph ~ 7 ~ ~
John ~ 1 ~ ~

HO107 98 17 F3 Crowton

Thomas Beckett 34 farmer born in county
Elizabeth 37
Henry 9
William 7
Ellen 5
Alice 3
James 1

As you say they do not appeer as a family in the area in 1851,
can you tell me where,who, and when you have them next, I will try to work backwards from there.
I assume you have checked the BMD for them ?

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: JDGen on Monday 16 August 04 20:31 BST (UK): Thanks Peter for the image.

I have checked freebmd and Cheshirebmd but no luck there, I'm looking mainly for the death of either Thomas or Elizabeth, but 10 years is alot to search on 1837 online.

I have Henry in 1851. He is at Dairy House, Over working as a farm servant for William Darlington and family on a 255 acre farm. The reference is 2166/133 Page 10-11.

I also have Alice in 1851. She is at Cuddington with William Youd and his family. She is described as a visitor, but he may be her uncle as her mother's maiden name was Youd. The reference is 2165/43 Page 4.

I can't find parents or any of the other siblings in 1851. I have the census for areas 2162, 2163, 2164, 2165 and 2166.

I don't have any access to either the 1861 or 1871 census records for Cheshire.

In 1881 Henry is farming Bank Farm, Stanthorne, married with children (ref 3531/75 Page 2).
In 1881 William is working as a printer and living at 109 Pentonville Rd, Middlesex (ref 0349/10 Page 15).
In 1881, Alice has married Robert Fair, a wine merchant and is living at Hills Lane, Aughton, Lancs (ref 3744/22 Page 38).
In 1881 James has a grocer's shop at Cuddington, married with a young family (ref 3520/78 Page 15).

I have Henry, Alice and James in 1891, but not William.
I have Alice, William and James in 1901 (Henry died in 1898).

I can't find Ellen after 1841. :(

I would love to find out what happened to them and why they had been separated. Any help gratefully received!

Jean
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 18 August 04 12:39 BST (UK): Hi Jean

I have found William in 1891, according to the 1881 he should have a son Charles about 15 born Northwich with them, but not found as yet.
Suspect William being in Northwich in 1871, unfortunately I do not have access to that census as yet.

Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County

Becket, Sarah 51 London Wife Islington London
Becket, William 56 Cheshire Head Islington London

Source information: RG12/171
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Folio: 103
Page: 55

I have most of the Cheshire 1851 so I will search the areas that you do not have,but it is looking as if the missing family moved out of the county. If you have any marriage certs for the children does it say whether the father Thomas is deceased or not and still a farmer ?
This would give an idea as to when to look for his death.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: JDGen on Wednesday 18 August 04 16:57 BST (UK): Peter,

Thanks for all your help with this, I'll get the image of the 1891 for William. I know where Charles is in 1891, he is living with William's brother James and wife Martha back in Cheshire and described as their son (ref 2835/81 Page 14). Charles is still with James and Martha in 1901 (ref 3338/91 Page 16).

I have the marriage certificate of Henry Beckett and Annie Pennell, 18/04/1872. Thomas Beckett is described as a farmer, but there is nothing to suggest he has already died - I think because of the separation of the family I had assumed he had died, but you're quite right, they could have had a change in circumstances and had to move.

I'll recheck what I have access to as well and see what I can come up with.

Thanks again,
Jean
Title: Re: ROBERTS - Heswall/Claughton-cum-Grange
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 20 August 04 15:20 BST (UK): Quote from: Rosemarie on Thursday 12 August 04 22:45 BST (UK)
Hi Peter

Thanks for the info on Mary Roberts. I'd convinced myself her mother's name would turn out to be Mary which shows how careful one must be not to jump to conclusions. It'll be interesting to see what the census turns up and what other family members there are.

I'm going to Asutralia in a couple of weeks to visit my son and his family and will be back the first week in October although I hope to be able to pick up my emails whilst I'm there - I'll have to ask my son to explain in words of one syllable how I go about it!.

Thank you once again,
Rosemarie.

Hi Rosemarie

I have the details of the 1851 census for you.

HO 107-2174-F112 Irby Parish of Woodchurch Wirral Cheshire

John Bennett head marr 61 ag/lab born Irby Ches.
Ann ~ wife ~ 74 ~ ~ ~
Ann Roberts daug ~ 28 ~ ~ ~
Daniel ~ s/in/l ~ 34 ag/lab ~ Wales
Margaret ~ daug 9 ~ Irby Ches.
Mary Ann ~ ~ 1 ~ ~ ~

no I don't think we are related

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 21 August 04 16:32 BST (UK): Hi Rosemarie

I have now found the 1871 census for Daniel Roberts, unfortunatly his wife Ann is not there.

RG 10 P 3752 F 165

Daniel 54
Mary 21
Jane 13
Joseph 11

if you need anything else please ask

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lazarus on Sunday 22 August 04 21:21 BST (UK): Hello Kate
I believe I can help with Jane Boome Banks.
She married Cephas Wyatt and lived at Blackshaw Farm Glossop.
Their Children Joe Rivers Wyatt and Helen Wyatt went to Canada early 1900s.
I am researching Wyatts.My maternal great grandfather came to Australia 1800s.Cephas was his brother.
There is a monument to Cephas in Glossop Cemetery.
I would like to exchange more information.
I hope this makes sense as it is my first posting.

Lazarus
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: JDGen on Tuesday 24 August 04 09:20 BST (UK): Further to my Beckett postings, I've met with some success thanks to an 1871 lookup which found Elizabeth (widowed), married daughter Ellen, and extra son Thomas living in Onston.

Thomas was born in Grappenhall in 1846 and and 1851 lookup of Beckett in Grappenhall found the family + 2 more children living there. ;D

So thanks all for your help with this, I think I'm stuck now until the 1861 Cheshire is indexed!

Jean
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Thursday 26 August 04 13:36 BST (UK): Hi

I am researching the Broomfield and Harvey Family from Audlem Cheshire.

My Gr Gr Grandmother Fanny Broomfield or Bromfield
born c1850 in Audlem Cheshire.
Married a Charles Harvey in 1873 at Audlem St James Church
On 1881 census they were living at Little Heath Audlem Cheshire
with their children Sarah b 1873,Mary b 1875, Martha b1878, Charles Henry b 1880, John b1883.
Charles snr died in 1883.
Fanny then went on to live with (can't find marriage) a George Beech.
I am trying find who Charles Harvey snr and Fanny Broomfield or Bromfield parents were.
I have found Fanny's Grave in Audlem Cementary,Cheshire she is in the same grave as a Mary Harvey who died aged 57 in 1876 and a Ann Billington who died aged 21 also in 1876.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 26 August 04 14:31 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl
Will see what we can find for you. Do you happen to have any birth or marriage certificates for Fanny or Charles, the details from them would be very helpfull.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Thursday 26 August 04 14:59 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Sorry no I don't have any birth certificates only got census copies, for 1881.1891.1901.
I have ordered Fanny's Birth certificate but its not arrived as yet.
I have been told that Fanny's parents are either Joseph Broomfield born c 1824 in Audlem and Rebbecca nee (Stubbs) or John Broomfield born c1819 in Audlem and Mary?
I tend to think that Joseph and John Broomfield could be brothers.If I could find Fanny in 1861 or 1871 it might help.I have been to the local library to search census for those years but I ran out of time before I found her.
Had no luck with Charles Harvey at all can't even find a Birth Certifcate. I have meet with Fanny's gr x 3 daughter this morning for the first time and she is struggling to get any other information as well.Anything you could find no matter how small would be of great help and might point us in the right direction.
Regards Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 26 August 04 18:07 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl

Here is what I've found upto now starting with the Broomfields

1851 Nantwich Road Hankelow HO 107 2170 F 434

John Broomfield head 31 sawyer born Hankelow
Mary ~ wife 26 ~ Audlem
Harriet ~ daug 4 ~ ~
Fanny ~ ~ 1 ~ Audlem

1871 Woolfall Audlem RG 10 3716 F 42

John Broomfield head 51 ag/lab born Hankerlow
Mary ~ wife 46 ~ Audlem
Fanny ~ daug 21 domestic ~ Hankerlow
?? ~ ~ 10 scholar ~ Audlem
?? ~ ~ 3 ~ ~
?? ~ G/D ? 10 months ~ ~

Not sure of the names of last 3 children ( see scan )

Will find and post results for Harvey's tomorrow

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 26 August 04 18:10 BST (UK): john broomfield 1871 audlem
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Friday 27 August 04 10:17 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thank you so much for the info youv'e given me.I am now going to look on the 1881 census again because I'm sure that the Grand daughter youv'e found in 1871 was still living with them in 1881.
I can't wait for the Harvey info.
Again thanks so much
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 27 August 04 13:15 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl

Sorry I've been a bit long winded with the Harvey family, had a bit of a job finding Charles.
I am not certain that the Grandchild in the Broomfield family is a grandchild, the writing is very dificult to decifer.
Any way here are the Harvey's

1851 Woolfall Audlem HO 107-2170 F 400

Charles Harvey head 34 farmer 70 acres born Audlem
Mary ~ wife 32 ~ ??
Charles ~ son 2 ~ ??
Hannah ~ daug 6 months ~ Audlem
Emma Stockton serv 16 house serv ~ ??
Ellen Davies ~ 15 ~ ~ ~ Salop

1871 Wool Orchard Audlem RG 10-3716 F 43

Mary Harvey widow 52 farmer 13 1/2 acres born Audlem
Martha ~ daug 15 ~ daughter ~ ~
Thomas ~ son 13 ~ ~
John Cooper s/in/law 30 ag/lab ~ Wybunbury
Hannah ~ daug 21 ~ Audlem
John H ~ G/son 1 month ~ ~

1871 Brick Hall Newhall RG 10-3716 F 90

Charles Harvey serv unwed 22 farm serv borm Audlem

he was working for the Gouldbourne family ( see scan )

If you need any more help please ask

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 27 August 04 13:17 BST (UK): This is Charles in 1871
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Su on Friday 27 August 04 13:58 BST (UK): for Gordon
re: William Lamb Tarporley and wife Jane Chesterfield.

On 1861 Barton-Upon-Irwell, William Lamb 56 Gardener Knutsford. Jane Wife 63 Handloom Weaver Chesterfield and son James unm. 20 Gardener born Pendleton Lancs.

Regards
Su
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Friday 27 August 04 14:17 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thank youÂ so so much for taking the trouble to look for me.
I feel really cheeky now but could you help me with my Grandads family.
I have done quite a bit of research on his side myself.
My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Spencer born c 1819 he married Ruth Lewis on the 21/6/1840 at St Magaret's Parish Church in Wrenbury Cheshire.
I have the certificate
John's fathers name was George Spencer .
Ruth's fathers name was Edward Lewis.
I have found John & George on the 1861 census living at Burland Nantwich.But no trace of Edward Lewis or family. It said in 1861 I think George Spencer was born in Brindley Nantwich but the writing was really poor so I am not sure of that.
Could I please ask if youv'e got the time you could have a look on the 1851 Census to see if you could find George Spencer for me.
If thats no possible I will quite understand.
Again many thanks for your help
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 27 August 04 15:21 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl
Can you give me any more details of the 1861 census for George ie age? married ? other family members ? etc

thanks

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Friday 27 August 04 15:37 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Will send you details over the weekend.
Got a Dental appointment now so got to leave.
Be in touch soon
Thanks again
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: normah on Thursday 02 September 04 21:38 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Wednesday 21 July 04 05:19 BST (UK)
I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford. Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you
Hello,
I have some of the details you require through my Artingstall/Arstall research, George and Mary had several children, George was a joiner and timber merchant of Little Haughton, Swinton/Worsley, he died in 1779 and Mary died in 1801, I have their Wills and details of their children if you would like further information.

Cheers, Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: patmelia on Monday 06 September 04 00:07 BST (UK): Im researching FINNEY and WHALLEY in BIRKENHEAD.
Pat
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 06 September 04 11:54 BST (UK): Quote from: patmelia on Monday 06 September 04 00:07 BST (UK)
Im researching FINNEY and WHALLEY in BIRKENHEAD.
Pat

Hi Pat
Welcome to Rootschat, I have just posted a result to your 1871 lookup request, If there is anything else we can help with please ask.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: princessalex on Monday 06 September 04 14:49 BST (UK): I would very much like to know about their wills and the names of the children.
Thank-you,
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: princessalex on Monday 06 September 04 15:15 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Monday 06 September 04 14:49 BST (UK)
I would very much like to know about their wills and the names of the children.
Thank-you,

Is there anyway I can obtain a copy of their wills or view them...please advise
Thank-you,

Cessy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 06 September 04 15:24 BST (UK): Hi
If your people left a will and died in Cheshire you should find it on this site

http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/eshop/Wills/home.htm

sorry I don't have any records of births or deaths at this time

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Tuesday 07 September 04 09:54 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Sorry I've only just got back to you regarding George Spencer, I've had computer problems finally managed to get it fixed last night.
Sorry to confuse you but the listing I have for George Spencer from Burland Nantwich were from the the 1851 Census its the 1841 census results that I need.
Do you have access to the 1841 census?
Again sorry for the confusion I had convinced myself that the results I had were from 1861 not 1851.
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 07 September 04 11:32 BST (UK): Hi cheryl
Good to have you back, thought we had lost you.
Can you give me the census ref details for George Spencer in 1851, I have found John in 1851 which seems to read born Wrenbury, I have found a George and family in 1841 (no John ) but need to verify his age etc to make sure its the right one.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Tuesday 07 September 04 13:33 BST (UK): Hi Peter

This is the info I've got from the 1851 Census, the writing was really bad so I am not sure of the names but here goes:

George Spencer 69 Head born Brindley Nantwich?
Annie? 71 Wife
Mary? 27 Daug

As I said not sure about his wife or daughters names.
In 1851 they were all living in Burland Nantwich
Sorry its not a lot to go on.
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 07 September 04 16:58 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl
Having great difficulty tying up the Spencer's with the details you have given me, problem one is that I can find no George and wife and daug in Burland or surrounding parishes in 1851. I have found son John and his wife Ruth and children in Burland in 1851 there details are below, but it says John was born Wrenbury not Burland or Brindley ? Ruth was born Buckley Wales, which is I believe Flintshire for parish records. I do have the 1841 but it is not indexed so I am reluctant to start searching the pages untill we can sort out the 1851. Can you check and give me your 1851 census ref numbers

HO 107 2169 F 482/3 Burland

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Wednesday 08 September 04 10:21 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Silly me didn't take any reference numbers will nip back to the library on Thursday or Friday and try and get the references for you.
Will be in touch soon

Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: phyllys on Monday 13 September 04 06:39 BST (UK): BRINDLEY FAMILY PARISH OF SUTTON/TOWN OF MACCLESFIELD/COUNTY OF CHESTER.
I am looking for information on Henry Brindley b 1819. Henry served in the British army in India and South Africa.
He was disscharged in 1859 and after spending time at a military hospital he was finally discharged on 24th july 1860.He came to Australia as an enrolled pensioner guard per "York" in December 1860 aged 43yrs. We believe he came with his daughter Susanna (a child) and he married here in 1864. We can find no record of Henry's death here in Australia, however his wife remarried in 1869 statng she was a widow.
if anyone can shed any light on this mystery or point me in the right direction for research I wopuld be most grateful regards Phyllys.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Monday 13 September 04 13:03 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Still haven't managed to get to the library to look at the records for George Spencer.

But I have been given details of my Gt Grandad x 4 from the 1841 Census for Audlem could you possibly have time to look for him in 1851 for me.
The details for 1841 are as follows:
John BroomfieldÂ Â 45Â Sawyer born Whitchurch Shropshire
Catherine (Wife)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Born Clive
JohnÂ Â Â Â Â (Son)Â Â 20Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BornÂ Audlem
RichardÂ Â (son)Â Â 8Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BornÂ Audlem
FannyÂ Â Â (Dau)Â Â 5Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Born Audlem

I hope you don't mind me asking.
If you are to busy I quite understand
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 13 September 04 15:45 BST (UK): Quote from: phyllys on Monday 13 September 04 06:39 BST (UK)
BRINDLEY FAMILY PARISH OF SUTTON/TOWN OF MACCLESFIELD/COUNTY OF CHESTER.
I am looking for information on Henry Brindley b 1819. Henry served in the British army in India and South Africa.
He was disscharged in 1859 and after spending time at a military hospital he was finally discharged on 24th july 1860.He came to Australia as an enrolled pensioner guard per "York" in December 1860 aged 43yrs. We believe he came with his daughter Susanna (a child) and he married here in 1864. We can find no record of Henry's death here in Australia, however his wife remarried in 1869 statng she was a widow.
if anyone can shed any light on this mystery or point me in the right direction for research I wopuld be most grateful regards Phyllys.

There are details of a birth of a Susanna Brindley 1855 in Macclesfield on the Cheshire BMD website http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
could this be her.
There are no name indexed census to search that would show Henry prior to him joining the military, and as he left the UK in between census's 51 & 61 there is a problem there. Also there are no marriage details for an Henry Brindley in Macclesfield. If he came back to the UK there are no indexes that show he died in Macclesfield.

sorry for the negative reply

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 13 September 04 17:10 BST (UK): Quote from: cherylg on Monday 13 September 04 13:03 BST (UK)
Hi Peter

Still haven't managed to get to the library to look at the records for George Spencer.

But I have been given details of my Gt Grandad x 4 from the 1841 Census for Audlem could you possibly have time to look for him in 1851 for me.
The details for 1841 are as follows:
John BroomfieldÂ Â 45Â Sawyer born Whitchurch Shropshire
Catherine (Wife)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Born Clive
JohnÂ Â Â Â Â (Son)Â Â 20Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BornÂ Audlem
RichardÂ Â (son)Â Â 8Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â BornÂ Audlem
FannyÂ Â Â (Dau)Â Â 5Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Born Audlem

I hope you don't mind me asking.
If you are to busy I quite understand
Regards
Cheryl

Hi Cheryl

You are certainly going to have to start saving/ and quoteing the census referance numbers, I think this one you have given me is the 1861 not 1841, I did some reseach for some one else the other day on another Broomfield in the same road, any connection? They also had a daughter Fanny. The details you've given me are I think for this family below, At least its the only other Broomfields it can be ie the only one with a Catherine

HO 107-2170 F 340 Nantwich road Hankelow 1851

John Broomfield head 34 labourer born Audlem
Catherine wife 3? ~ Shrewsbury
Richard son 16 Scholar ~ Hankelow
Henry ~ 13 ~ ~
Harriatt daug 8 ~ ~

let me know what you think, the scan is difficult to read, and the age of Richard 16 as a scholar dosn't ring true somehow

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Tuesday 14 September 04 10:20 BST (UK): Hi Peter

I'm really confused now? the info that I was given for 1841 was from an elderly gentleman who is also tracing the family tree he didn't give me any reference numbers sorry.
But I think he must be wrong somewhere as he says that John Broomfield was 45 in 1841 and yet he is only 34 in 1851.Yet in 1841 he has Richard as 8, and 1851 Richard is 16 really strange.But has also told me that John was born in 1896 which I know is wrong. I think I am going to use the info that you have given me as I know that is correct.
You say you have had somebody else looking at Broomfields in Audlem with a daughter called Fanny don't know who that could be I only know of myself and a distant cousin Louise plus this elderly gentleman. Can't see there being another Broomfield in Audlem without its a relation, didn't think it was that common a name but could be wrong.The trouble with the Broomfields is that they tend use the same names in all generations so it gets very confusing.As in John and Fanny. Fanny was my Gt Gran her Dad was John, her Grandad was John and she had an Auntie called Fanny.
Regards
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 14 September 04 15:58 BST (UK): Hi Cheryl

Have found out who the other person I did Broomfield lookups for was, If you have a look back a couple of pages on this thread you will find it was, you me dear. :o
Can I suggest you ask your elderly friend to put a little more water in his whiskey before he goes to the library :D :D
Don't worry some time later this week I will go throught the census's and detail out all I find on the Broomfield family for you.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: ben on Thursday 16 September 04 13:13 BST (UK): i am interested in any peers living in the wirral, i would be greatfull of any help
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Thursday 16 September 04 13:53 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thanks for the offer. The elderly gentleman I mentioned last time has now sent me more details in writing still can't make head nor sense ofÂ the information he's sent me it seems bit muddled up!!!!!
Once I've work it out I'll let you know.
Thanks
Cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 16 September 04 14:34 BST (UK): Quote from: ben on Thursday 16 September 04 13:13 BST (UK)
i am interested in any peers living in the wirral, i would be greatfull of any help

Hi Ben
Welcome to Rootschat.
What info do you need on the Peers name and what years, a little more detail and I am sure we can help

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: phyllys on Sunday 19 September 04 08:40 BST (UK): Henry Brindley,
Thanks Peter for the information. I think even to know no records available is helpful. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place or the information I have here is inaccurate. I appreciate the time you spent helping me. Perhaps i need to concentrate on the Military background first. kind regards Phyllys.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jrob on Sunday 19 September 04 16:50 BST (UK): Hi,
my gggrandparents married St.Lawrence Frodsham 27/12/1861.William Jackson(24 labourer,father William also labourer) and Elizabeth Illidge(19-pretty sure she was 18 father Ralph occ carrier).I dont have them on 1861 census or 1841.I have 1851 census for Runcorn district.
Wilsons Row,Runcorn
William Jackson 39 labourer,Mary 39,William 14,Ann 7,Martha 3

I have birth cert for Martha confirming that mother is Mary Shingler.marriage is on IGI also probable baptisms for William parents John Jackson/Ann and for Mary parents William Shingler/Elizabeth

Main Street Frodsham
Ralph Hillidge 55 carrier,Martha 52,Martha 23,Hannah 16,Emma 11,Elizabeth 7
On IGI Ralph Hillidge married Martha Letter in Runcorn

Would like to find these families on 1841 and 1861 censuses

I have more info about Ralph (H)illidge but know nothing of Martha Letter,or the Jacksons and Shingler's.
any help appreciated
John
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 20 September 04 11:42 BST (UK): Hi John

I do not have the 1861 census,but do have the 1841 unfortunatly it is not street or name indexed so can't take on large searches, having said that I did a quick lookthrough and found the following Illidge households no Ralf and family sorry.

HO 107-97-7 F28 MAIN ST. FRODSHAM

Martha Illidge 70 born in county

HO 107-97-7 F29 MAIN ST. FRODSHAM

Sam Illidge 25 labourer born in county
Betty 33 ~ ~
Mary 2 ~ ~

HO 107-97-7-F52 CHURCH ST. FRODSHAM

Richard Illidge 59 born in county
Martha 60 ~ ~
George 20 ~ ~

next household

William Illidge 23 ~ ~
Ellen 20 ~ ~

This is the only match I could find for the Jacksons

HO 107-95-15-F9 Stenhills Runcorn

William Jackson 28 labourer born in county
William 4 ~ ~

the pages are not to clear so did not scan them

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 20 September 04 14:57 BST (UK): Quote from: cherylg on Thursday 16 September 04 13:53 BST (UK)
Hi Peter

Thanks for the offer. The elderly gentleman I mentioned last time has now sent me more details in writing still can't make head nor sense ofÂ the information he's sent me it seems bit muddled up!!!!!
Once I've work it out I'll let you know.
Thanks
Cheryl

Hi Cheryl
Here are the details I have managed to find from the early census's, hope these help to clear things up a bit.

1841

HO 107-116-18-F12 Kinsey Heath Audlem

Joseph Broomfield head 45 labourer born in county
Louisa 40
Ann 15
George 11
Eliza 9
Richard 7
Samuel 5
Louisa 4
?? 1

HO 107-116-23-F5 Hankelow

Thomas Broomfield 25 born in county
Ann 30 ~ ~

Broomfield 1851

HO 107-2170 F 340 Nantwich road Hankelow

John Broomfield head 34 labourer born Audlem
Catherine wife 3? ~ Shrewsbury
Richard son 16 Scholar ~ Hankelow
Henry ~ 13 ~ ~
Harriatt daug 8 ~ ~

1851 Nantwich Road Hankelow HO 107 2170 F 434

John Broomfield head 31 sawyer born Hankelow
Mary ~ wife 26 ~ Audlem
Harriet ~ daug 4 ~ ~
Fanny ~ ~ 1 ~ Audlem

1851 Nantwich Road Hankelow HO 107-2170-F 427

Joseph Broomfield head 29 sawyer born Whitchurch Salop
Sarah wife 33 ~ ~
William son 10 ~ ~
Joseph son 7 ~ ~
Sarah daug 5 Newcastle Staffs
George Marton stepson 12 Whitchurch Salop

1851 Woolfall Lane Hankelow HO 107-2170-F 432

Thomas Broomfield head marr 35 labourer Litchfield Salop
William son 9 Hankelow

1871

RG10 -3716-F 12 Corbrook Hankelow

John Broomfield head 55 sawyer born Audlem
Harriett daug 28 dress maker ~ ~
Angela grandaug 15 ~ ~ ~ ~

1871 Woolfall Audlem RG 10 3716 F 42

John Broomfield head 51 ag/lab born Hankerlow
Mary ~ wife 46 ~ Audlem
Fanny ~ daug 21 domestic ~ Hankerlow
Elizabeth ~ 10 scholar ~ Audlem
Amelia ~ 3 ~ ~
?? ~ G/D ? 10 months ~ ~

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jrob on Tuesday 21 September 04 19:12 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
thanks for that,the William Jackson looks right but I wonder where his mother was,as for the Illidge's a couple of them have births at Overton and there is also an earlier daughter of Ralph.Sarah Illidge born 1823 Aston by Sutton ,Ralph was also born Aston by Sutton,so it could be possible they maybe there
regards,
John
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sandra Massey on Tuesday 21 September 04 22:31 BST (UK): I am looking for various members of the STANWAY family from MACCLESFIELD, Cheshire. Particularly trying to find any early offspring from NOAH STANWAY and MARY (MURPHY) married in 1856, but can only find 1 son THOMAS born 1862.
ALSO - ERNESTINA STANWAY b c1899, married Thomas Archer then I lost track.
Please excuse any errors made, I am a beginner - this is my first posting.

Thanks.
Sandra Massey
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cherylg on Wednesday 22 September 04 12:56 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Thank you so much for your help I really do appreciate it.
Didn't realise just how many Broomfields there were.
I'm going to go into a quite corner somewhere now and try sort it all out!!!!!
Again thank you very much

Regards
cheryl
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 22 September 04 14:41 BST (UK): Quote from: Sandra Massey on Tuesday 21 September 04 22:31 BST (UK)
I am looking for various members of the STANWAY family from MACCLESFIELD, Cheshire. Particularly trying to find any early offspring from NOAH STANWAY and MARY (MURPHY) married in 1856, but can only find 1 son THOMAS born 1862.
ALSO - ERNESTINA STANWAY b c1899, married Thomas Archer then I lost track.
Please excuse any errors made, I am a beginner - this is my first posting.

Thanks.
Sandra Massey

Hi Sandra
Welcome to Rootschat, always pleased to help the Macc folk, ( I am Macc born and bred myself )
Can you tell me what years you have census info for, and which area of Macc we are looking at. I am sure we should be able to help.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sandra Massey on Wednesday 22 September 04 21:40 BST (UK): Hi Peter,

Thanks for the welcome. I too am Macc born and bred although left when I was about 10 years old, and now living in Chester. Just to give you a quick idea as to where I have got 'stuck':-
I have a marriage cert. for (John)Thomas Stanway m Annie Holt in 1889. J.T's father is given as Noah Stanway, a slater residing in Wardle Street. I have found the marriage of Noah Stanway to Mary Murphy in the Cheshire BMD and also I have found them in the 1891 census living at 16 Wardle Street along with John Thomas, and a lodger. I suspect there should be more earlier siblings but I cannot find a way of getting to an earlier census.

With regard to Ernestina Stanway - I thought this would be easy due to the uncommon name (how wrong can you be?). She is one of five siblings of my grandfather William Stanway. I found her in the 1901 census living at 11 Silk Street. There may be others born after my grandfather who was born in 1902. However as my grandfather spent most of his life not communicating with any of his family and my father died very young I am really working blind on this one.

I would be very appreciative of any pointers you can give - I had not realised just how many Stanways there were in Macc.

Kind regards
Sandra Massey
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 25 September 04 15:55 BST (UK): Hi Sandra
Quote from your message
I have found the marriage of Noah Stanway to Mary Murphy in the Cheshire BMD and also I have found them in the 1891 census living at 16 Wardle Street along with John Thomas, and a lodger.

I think the above quote are the details from the 1881 census not 91 ?

1881 Noah Stanway

Noah STENWAY Head M Male 52 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Slater
Mary STENWAY Wife M Female 54 Clonmel, Ireland
Thomas STENWAY Son U Male 19 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Blacksmith
Mary O BRIEN Lodger Female 13 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Silk Piecer

Source Information:
Dwelling 16 Wardle St
Census Place Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341837
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3494 / 120
Page Number 26

There is only one Noah Stanway showing on the 1851 for Macclesfield he was born Gawsworth c1833 working as ag/lab in Bosley HO107-2161-F331

I do not have the 1861 census and there is no mention of him in the 1871 census.

1891 census you may already have this

16 Wardle Street
Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish

Stanway, Noah 56 Macclesfield, Cheshire Head Macclesfield Cheshire
Stanway, Mary 50 Macclesfield, Cheshire Wife Macclesfield Cheshire
Stanway, Mary !! Daughter Macclesfield Cheshire
Stanway, Thomas !! Son Macclesfield Cheshire
Stanway, Eliza !! Daughter Macclesfield Cheshire

children are shown as not living at home

Source information: RG12/2815
Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub registration district: West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Folio: 98
Page: 13

1891 census again you may or may not have this

3 Shaw Street

Source information: RG12/2815
Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub registration district: West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Folio: 46
Page: 22

Stanway, Thomas 28 born Macclesfield, Cheshire Head silk weaver Macclesfield Cheshire
Stanway, Annie 29 born ~~Kelton~~, Lancashire Wife silk hand Macclesfield Cheshire

The 1891 index give Annie as born Kelton Lancs but the image shows clearly Bolton.

I noted that on the 1901 census Annie is transcribed I suspect wrongly as being born Macclesfield
Although not on the Cheshire BMD they are shown on 1837 online and freeBMD as being married in Macclesfield 3 qtr 1889 ref 8a 207 JOHN THOMAS and ANNIE JANE HOLT

As for your grandfathers siblings, if born after 1901 I'm sorry but would only be looking at the Cheshire BMD website and guessing, although Silk St. was in West Macc it cuts it down a bit but not much

If I can help in any other way please ask

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sandra Massey on Sunday 26 September 04 16:00 BST (UK): Hi Peter,

Thanks very much for the help. I certainly have more to go on now. I notice that the ages of Noah and Mary are not consistant between the 1881 and 1891 census data - Noah ages only 4 years and Mary loses 2 - is this a common error? - I assume that the address and agreement of names is enough to say I have the right people?.
Once again, many thanks
Sandra Massey
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 27 September 04 11:48 BST (UK): Hi Sandra
I have just rechecked the census data and the ages are correct according to the transcriptions, it is likely that one or maybe both are wrong, do you have a marriage or death cert for them to check against. Because of the other similarities I would say it is safe to assume they are right

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cymraes on Tuesday 28 September 04 20:27 BST (UK): Searching for Hugh Abel of Neston, born around 1838. :)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: normah on Saturday 02 October 04 00:59 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Monday 06 September 04 14:49 BST (UK)
I would very much like to know about their wills and the names of the children.
Thank-you,

Hello again,

Sorry for the delay in replying, I am not too good at using this site yet and did not see your reply however, I will post the information you require tomorrow.
Cheers, Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: normah on Saturday 02 October 04 09:39 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Wednesday 21 July 04 05:19 BST (UK)
I am researching Mary Caldwell from Grappenhall who married George Artingstall 1-18-1730 in St Wilford. Looking for date of birth..death.
Thank-you

Hello again,

Here is the information as promised,

Mary Caldwell was said to be 71 years old when she died in 1773, she is buried in Flixton parish church with her husband George "Arstol" and his parents Joseph 1667-1726 and Jane 1670-1747, [the name is often shortened to Arstall etc.,] their children are all buried in Eccles parish church and are as follows
Joseph a farmer of Little Heaton 1731-1806 married Margaret Rogers abt 12 children.
George a farmer of Worsley 1733-1794 married mary Thornley no children.
William a farmer of Salford 1736-1817 married Alice Heywood abt 5 children.
Benjamin a farmer of Middleton 1735-1779 abt 4 children.
John a farmer of Little Haughton 1740-1812 married Margaret Hope 4 children.

I think I inadvertantly gave you the death dates of George and Mary junior on my original reply, sorry.

Cheers, Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: princessalex on Saturday 02 October 04 19:49 BST (UK): Norma,

Thank-you for the info. Would you happen to know the marriage date of Joseph and Jane and who Joseph's parents were?
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: princessalex on Saturday 02 October 04 19:57 BST (UK): To Norma,
Also wanted to ask you if you knew the names of Joseph brothers and sisters. Being from the Australian branch I have already found one connection.

Thanks,
Cessy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: normah on Saturday 02 October 04 22:21 BST (UK): Quote from: princessalex on Saturday 02 October 04 19:57 BST (UK)
To Norma,
Also wanted to ask you if you knew the names of Joseph brothers and sisters. Being from the Australian branch I have already found one connection.

Thanks,
Cessy

Hello Cessy,

The marriage of Joseph and Jane is the "brick wall" although I do have some Joseph baptisms, the most likely giving his father as Thomas who had numerous children baptised at Ashton upon Mersey.

I do correspond with a few people around the world with Arstall/Artingstall interests, I think "Bev" is in Australia, I have given her the same information.

Cheers, Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Forfar on Monday 11 October 04 13:45 BST (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.

I am looking for information about my Father Sydney Robert Bree, son of John Bree. Birkenhead
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 11 October 04 16:28 BST (UK): Hi
Welcome to Rootschat. Can you give any info regarding date of birth, it may only be possible to trace backwards from 1901 on the census's, tell us what you know of his father as well ie wifes name other children etc

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Rosemarie on Thursday 14 October 04 10:07 BST (UK): Hi Peter

Many, many thanks for the information on the Roberts family which looks very promising. I returned from Australia a few days ago and I think my brain may finally have caught up with me this morning but it's still a bit too soon to tell!

It's extremely kind of you to go to so much trouble as I can see from other posts how busy we keep you.

Kind regards

Rosemarie.

Quote from: peterbennett on Saturday 21 August 04 16:32 BST (UK)
Hi Rosemarie

I have now found the 1871 census for Daniel Roberts, unfortunatly his wife Ann is not there.

RG 10 P 3752 F 165

Daniel 54
Mary 21
Jane 13
Joseph 11

if you need anything else please ask

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Jan Taylor on Wednesday 20 October 04 19:15 BST (UK): Researching family name Lutas. Phoebe Lutas (nee Roberts) born Nov 4 or 5, perhaps 1865? Died approx 1947. Husband John, worked on the docks, daughter Doris born 1905 and son Jack (or would that be John too?) born I think around 1895. Jack worked as a captain on the ferries. Known address 38 Bell Road, Wallasey. Phoebe, John, Jack and Doris (married name Anderson) buried in Rake Lane Cemetary. Trying desperately to find info on Phoebe and Jack, all I have found is one mention of Phoebe in the 1891 census.

New to all this, so any help/information would be very appreciated!
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Rosemarie on Thursday 21 October 04 01:38 BST (UK): Hi Jan

You could look at the 1901 site for Lutas and Lucas in Cheshire on the 1901 census site. I checked and there are people with both names in Seacombe, including Phoebe Lucas aged 31. I suggest looking at Lucas as well because many names were spelled incorrectly on all census transcriptions.
The ages shown can't always be relied on either.

http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

You could try the following one as well for the 1881 census:

http://www.familysearch.org/

I found a Phoebe Roberts who may be the person you are searching for on this one:

Phoebe ROBERTS - 1881 British Census / Cheshire
Daur Gender: Female Birth: <1864> Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Happy hunting

Rosemarie.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: FindingAncestors on Thursday 21 October 04 02:31 BST (UK): Hello, I am trying to find any info on a Thomas LANGFORD and Sarah JONES. In the 1851 census I have John LANGFORD living with his mother Ann, and a nephew Levi LANGFORD born 1838 Liverpool, and living next door is John's brother Robert & wife Hannah. I had assumed Levi to be Robert's son. I have been unable to find anything on Levi, so sent for his birth cert. It has his parents as Thomas LANGFORD & Sarah JONES. So, although Levi isn't Roberts son, he is still from my LANGFORD family, but don't know who Thomas is. I found a record at the Cheshire BMD site of a marriage for a Thomas LANGFORD & Sarah JONES, assuming this to be "my" Thomas & Sarah. Record is: married; Chester St Michael 1837, FreeBMD record is; 1837 V19;P41, Gt.Bougthon. Also found at IGI site; marriage record for Thomas LANGFORD & Sarah JONES, 5th Oct 1837 St Michael Chester Cheshire.
Of course don't know if they are the Thomas & Sarah I am seeking, but for now am assuming.
The John & Robert mentioned earlier, had a father Thomas LANGFORD who died 1847, I don't think this is him, I only have reference to his wife Ann, in his last will & test, and the 1851 census as his widow. I have not found any marriage reference for Thomas the elder as yet. In his last will & test, Thomas listed his children as: Mary, Ann, Martha, Emma, Robert, John.; no mention of a Thomas. Perhaps he has died before 1847, but ?????......I am puzzled & confused. Help! Any thing on Thomas LANGFORD & Sarah JONES??? Cheers! FindingAncestors
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Jan Taylor on Thursday 21 October 04 18:32 BST (UK): Hi Rosemarie

Thank you so much for the information. It's wonderful to have somebody to guide me in a direction :) Thanks again.

Jan
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Rosemarie on Thursday 21 October 04 22:39 BST (UK): Hi Jan

My pleasure. I hope the facts I was able to find do relate to your family and that they help you get off to a flying start. I've been researching for less than two years and get a great buzz when I track down some new info and especially when I receive a certificate relating to a birth or marriage more than a hundred and fifty years ago.

Best wishes

Rosemarie.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 22 October 04 12:52 BST (UK): Hi Jan
The site below should be a big help if searching in Cheshire

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

in it there is a record of a Pheobe Roberts born Birkenhead 1864.
I would advise purchaceing her birth certificate in order to confirm the family below that Rosemarie found, if it is correct come back to us and I or one of the others should be able to take you back a little further

1881 census http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace

John H. ROBERTS Head M Male 47 Flint, Flint, Wales House Painter
Ann ROBERTS Wife M Female 44 Flint, Flint, Wales
Phoebe ROBERTS Daur U Female 17 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Domestic Servant
Annie ROBERTS Daur U Female 13 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Scholar
Jane ROBERTS Daur Female 10 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Scholar
George ROBERTS Son Male 8 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Scholar
Edith ROBERTS Daur Female 2 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Hugh TRAYNOR Boarder M Male 22 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Cabman
Janet TRAYNOR Boarder M Female 20 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 35 Thomas St
Census Place Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341856
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3575 / 17
Page Number 27

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: philandsj on Saturday 23 October 04 16:08 BST (UK): If you have anything on Jefferies i would be very grateful
sj
Title: Re: COTTON Surname Research, Cheshire
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 06 November 04 16:14 GMT (UK): Is anyone searching the Surname COTTON in Cheshire or Stafforfordshire.
I would like to find any decendants/or connections to the following family.
Thomas COTTON b c 1835, Hanley, Staff
Martha, Wife b c 1841, Audley, Staff
Joseph, Son b c 1861 Silverdale, Staff
Elizabeth b c 1868 Wolstanton marr George GRAY 1888
Arthur b 1870 Wolstanton
Sarah Jane b 1871 Wolstanton
Harriett b 1874 Wolstanton marr Charles LAWTON 1896
Frances b 1876 Wolstanton marr Lewis PLATT 1896
Martha b 1881 Odde Road, Cheshire m James BAKER 1903

1881 census School Ground, Audley
1891 Crown Inn, Odde Rd, Cheshire
1901 Smallwood, Cheshire
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Monday 08 November 04 22:39 GMT (UK): Am looking for a possible entry in the 1841 census. I have William CROWDER and Hannah (PARKER) in the 1851 census in Macclesfield. I think it was Parsonage St. Their 1st child Harriet was born 1842. William & Hannah give their places of birth as Ireland with a possible birth date of 1806/1811 respectivly. I have in the past gone through the Macc 1841 census person by person but it was not a very good copy and I might have missed something.
Any info would be appreciated
Thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 09 November 04 16:24 GMT (UK): Hi Sarah

They were definitely not in Parsonage St in 1841, that part of the 1841 is quite good and easy to read.
Looking on the Cheshire BMD at the 1842 birth of Harriet it shows she was born East Macclesfield, the Parsonage St area was in West Macclesfield. Do you have an address from her birth certificate, if so I would be willing to search again.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Tuesday 09 November 04 23:04 GMT (UK): Hi peterbennett
Sorry, I should have put in a bit more info.
Harriet was born 14 Jan 1842 in Waters, Macclesfield and was a silk piecer. She married David Booth 19 June 1865 in Parish church, Prestbury.
William Crowder died 9 Aug 1862 of Typhus Fever in Charlott st, Macc and buried @ Christ Church.
Hannah died 17 Aug 1852 @Park Ln, Macc.. James, my GGrandfather was born in Park Ln in 1848.
This problem with William and Hannah is so frustrating. We have got back to the late 1500's/early 1600's on some lines and the one I should be concentrating on beats me. Dad is now 90 and I would love to solve the puzzle of his origins for him.
Many thanks for any help
Sarah (nee Crowder)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 10 November 04 17:37 GMT (UK): Hi Sarah

I have checked the 1841 for the Waters area of Macclesfield and there is no sign of William and Hannah, do you know where and when they married ? I cannot seem to find it anywhere, looking at the 1851 for them it also say's Hannah was born Macclesfield not Ireland ?

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Wednesday 10 November 04 18:23 GMT (UK): For some reason I had been sure that Hannah was born in Ireland.... I have not got a clue as to where I got that info. I have never been able to find a marriage for them and always thought they got married in Ireland. If Hannah was born in Macc I suppose she could have been working in Ireland, may be with one of the families from around here. I seem to remember seeing something about the Capsthorne Hall lot having estates in Ireland. I really am taking a flight of fancy here!!?
Anything you come up with would be gratefully recieved.
Thanks
Sarah
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 16 November 04 15:40 GMT (UK): Hi Sarah

I found this and thought it might be of interest in your search for the origins of William Crowder.
When looking on the 1851 there is a Elizabeth Crowder widow living not a million miles away (on Park Lane) from William. I am sure you must have seen it and disregarded it, however I thought I would see if they could be found on the 1841, and sure enough Elizabeth was there with husband William, the fact that young William moved on to Park Lane and William the elder being there is a connection you might want to investigate further.

hope this helps

peterbennett

1841 HO107-132-12 Page 7 Park Lane Macclesfield

1851 HO107-2160-Folio 541 Park Lane Macclesfield
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Tuesday 16 November 04 17:59 GMT (UK): Hi peterbennet
Thanks for that. You were right I had seen them and discarded it. I had just been getting round to the idea that I should follow up on all the other CROWDERs in Macc to see if there was a link anywhere.
There was another problem that I came across, namely that there was another William & Hannah C living in Bollington at the same time with a very similar list of childrens names. Luckily Dad remembers visiting "the girls" in Catherine St when he was little (he is now 90). They were the daughters of Harriet BOOTH (nee CROWDER) & David BOOTH. Harriet was the oldest child (born 1842) of William & Hannah in Macc not Bollington.
It would be good to sort this out for Dad but I have my doubts. Anyway thanks for the help.

If anybody is after BOOTHs in Macc (a common name I know) see my BOOTH posting that should follow sometime this evening.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: sharay on Wednesday 17 November 04 03:48 GMT (UK): ASTON family from TIVERTON/BUNBURY

Peter Aston born 1842 Tiverton, parents John Aston and Hannah Clarke. Peter married Elizabeth Ellen Bolton in 1868 Nantwich. Elizabeth died 1878. Peter arrived in Australia about 1894/95 (not sure exactly, beginning to think he swam), with second wife Emma Morry and surviving children. Cannot find Peter in the 1881 census or any of his children, Thomas Peter b.1870 Bunbury, Mary Ann b.1871 and Elizabeth Hannah b.1874. Peter was a Primitive Methodist Minister and possibly they left England early 1881 after the birth of Frances Emma, only child to his second wife, and spent time in another country before arriving and taking a position in Brisbane, Australia in the early 1890's.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Wednesday 17 November 04 10:34 GMT (UK): I am researching Maddock Family in the Winsford /Over /Northwich area of Cheshire. The family seems to be several generations of watch and clock makers.
I have got as far as Samuel Maddock born c 1780. His son Charles born c 1822 married in Warrington Lancs but settles with wife Elizabeth and children in Winsford.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: dinkey on Wednesday 17 November 04 14:50 GMT (UK): I have been researching my husband's family tree. His GGGG Aunt Sarah Dalton born 1818 Barnton Cheshire married on 6 August 1836 St Lawrence Parish Church Frodsham Cheshire to William Maddock born 1816 Barnton Cheshire. The 1881 census shows their address as Town Field Lane Frodsham. William was age 65 bricklayer/ journeyman with wife Sarah age 62 and two children Phoebe Maddock born 1850 Frodsham & Daniel Maddock born 1861 Frodsham a joinery and carpentry apprentice.

I hope that this information is useful to your research.

dinkey
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Mike-Tonge on Friday 19 November 04 11:10 GMT (UK): I'm looking for information on my earliest TONGE ancestor Charles TONGE (TONGUE) and his wife Mary HAMNETT.

I would like to get a little further up the Tonge tree but I seem to be stuck at Charles and have been for many years so any help in the right direction would be appreciated.

Charles TONGE (b. abt. 1815 in Gorton, Manchester/Cheadle CHS, d. 18 April 1902) m. Mary HAMNETT (b. abt 1813 in Ashton upon Mersey, CHS, d. 6 Oct 1874) on 18 May 1836 at St. Marys, Manchester. They lived in Ashton upon Mersey, Cheshire and had seven children that I know of: James, Elizabeth, Wilbraham, Emma, Martha, Joseph, Mary

I am a descendant of Wilbraham TONGE (b. 15 Jan 1841 in Ashton upon Mersey, d. 6 May 1925) m. Mary SHERRY on 15 Jan 1872 in Allahabad, India

I've included the following census info that I've stumbled across over the years:

1841 Census
Source: Transcript by Peter Bennett (thankyou Peter)
Ref : Ashton upon Mersey 1841 HO107/91/2 F9 F10
Charles Tonge 26 Gardener, Mary 28, James 4, Elizabeth 2 and Wilbraham 4 mths. Ellen Cattale ? 17 F.S.

1851 Census
Dwelling: 45 Green Lane
Census Place: Ashton upon Mersey, Cheshire, England
Source: HO 107 Pc 2162 Fo 241 Pg 11 & 12
Name Rel Marr Age Sex Birthplace Occ
Charles TONGE Head M 36 M Gorton, Manch. Ag Lab
Mary TONGE Wife M 38 F Ashton on Mersey
Elizabeth TONGE Dau 12 F Manch
Wilbraham TONGE Son 10 M Ashton on Mersey
Emma TONGE Dau 8 F Ashton on Mersey
Martha TONGE Dau 6 F Ashton on Mersey
Joseph TONGE Son 2m M Ashton on Mersey

1881 Census
Dwelling: Green Lane
Census Place: Ashton upon Mersey, Cheshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341840 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3504 Folio 118 Page 20
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charles TONGE W 66 M Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Rel: Head Occ: Retired Lab
Emma TONGE U 38 F Ashton On Mersey
Rel: Daur Occ: Housekeeper

1901 Census
Dwelling: Green Lane
Census Place: Ashton upon Mersey, Cheshire, England
Source: PRO Ref RG13 Piece 3323 Folio 89 Page 27
Name Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charles TONGE W 86 M Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Rel: Head Occ: Living on own means
Emma TONGE U 58 F Ashton On Mersey
Rel: Daur Occ: Housekeeper
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 20 November 04 15:22 GMT (UK): Hi Again

I have looked on the 1871 census and posted below the results
Mary 58 born Ashton
Charles Tongue born: Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Ashton upon Mersey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Cheshire

Street address: Green Lane
Occupation: labourer

Source information: RG10/3683
Registration district: Altrincham
Folio: 72

it seems that the majority state Charles as being born Cheadle Cheshire, I would send an email request for a lookup in the parish registers of Cheadle for the years 1814-1818 recordoffice@cheshire.gov.uk

let us know how you get on

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fishweb on Saturday 20 November 04 17:48 GMT (UK): I am researching the Fitzgerald family of Wilmslow.
I have them in 1881 living at South Oak Lane Fulshaw Cheshire

John Fitzgerald age 41 born Ireland
Elizabeth A wife age 42 born Hyde
George Fitzgerald son 22 born Wilmslow
Francis Fitzgerald son 17 born Wilmslow
Arthur Fitzgerald son 15 born Wilmslow
Emily Fitzgerald daur 12 born Mobberley

Emily is born in 1868 at Town Lane Mobberley

I would love to find them in the censuses for 1861 1871 and 1891

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cathy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 20 November 04 18:00 GMT (UK): Hi Cathy
Should be able to find them for,will be tommorrow though.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 21 November 04 13:03 GMT (UK): Quote from: fishweb on Saturday 20 November 04 17:48 GMT (UK)
I am researching the Fitzgerald family of Wilmslow.
I have them in 1881 living at South Oak Lane Fulshaw Cheshire

John Fitzgerald age 41 born Ireland
Elizabeth A wife age 42 born Hyde
George Fitzgerald son 22 born Wilmslow
Francis Fitzgerald son 17 born Wilmslow
Arthur Fitzgerald son 15 born Wilmslow
Emily Fitzgerald daur 12 born Mobberley

Emily is born in 1868 at Town Lane Mobberley

I would love to find them in the censuses for 1861 1871 and 1891

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cathy

Hi Cathy
The 1861 census is not name indexed, I have searched the area of Wilmslow where they were found in later census's without any luck, I did notice when checking the births of the children that only Emily 1868 seems to have been born Wilmslow, the marriage 1853 of John Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Cullen was in Ashton-u-Lyne ? and most of the children seem to have been born in the Hartshead (A-u-L) registration district. It always possible that they did live in Wilmslow and Elizabeth went home for the birth of their children,do you have an address from one of the earlier childrens births ?

Here are the 1871 details
Wilmslow Common
Source information: RG10/3680
Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Wilmslow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Folio: 81
Page: 29

John Fitzgerald 30 County Clare, Ireland Head ag/lab Fulshaw Cheshire
Elizabeth A Fitzgerald 32 Hyde, Lancashire, England Wife Fulshaw Cheshire
George E Fitzgerald 12 Wilmslow, Cheshire, England Son Fulshaw Cheshire
Francis Fitzgerald 7 Wilmslow, Cheshire, England Son Fulshaw Cheshire
Arthur Fitzgerald 5 Wilmslow, Cheshire, England Son Fulshaw Cheshire
Emily Fitzgerald 2 Wilmslow, Cheshire, England Daughter Fulshaw Cheshire
James Lefy 25 Dublin, Ireland Visitor shoemaker Fulshaw Cheshire
Mary Lefy 28 Ireland Visitor laundress Fulshaw Cheshire

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 21 November 04 13:12 GMT (UK): here they are on 1891

Fulshaw Park
Source information: RG12/2820
Registration district: Altrincham
Sub registration district: Wilmslow
Folio: 86

Fitzgerald, John 52 IRL Head gardener Fulshaw Cheshire
Fitzgerald, Elizabeth 52 Hyde, Cheshire Wife Fulshaw Cheshire
Fitzgerald, Emily 22 Mobberley, Cheshire Daughter Fulshaw Cheshire
Shaw, Francis H 27 Wilmslow, Cheshire Boarder Fulshaw Cheshire
Gillott, Frank 11 Pendleton, Lancashire Boarder Fulshaw Cheshire
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fishweb on Sunday 21 November 04 15:51 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,
Many thanks for your help and the information you have given me, this is my family that I am looking for.
Until now I only have one birth certificate which states the mother's name as formerly Shaw. I shall now begin searching for some more births and marriages.
Once again thank you

Cathy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fishweb on Sunday 21 November 04 16:29 GMT (UK): Peter,
May I ask when you have time if you could look for Arthur Fitzgerald age 25 and a Catherine Higgins age 26 in 1891
Catherine was born in Northwich, Arthur Wilmslow and in August 1891 they married Address given for Arthur was Elm Hurst Lodge Fulshaw Park, Fulshaw and for Catherine, Alma House Alma Lane, Pownall Fee.

Many Thanks

Cathy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: hilarybelton on Monday 22 November 04 00:05 GMT (UK): Hi everyone,

I'm new to the Board - which is fantastic by the way - and I am researching SALTHOUSE, WALTERS, WORTH and POTTS, all from Nether Alderley between roughly 1842 and 1934.

My great great grandfather John Salthouse married Lucy Walters in St mary Church, Nether Alderley in 1842.

Best wishes
Hilary
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 22 November 04 10:41 GMT (UK): Hi Hilary
A warm welcome to you,if at any time there is anything your stuck on (bit of a daft question I know ) we are here to help so just ask away.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 22 November 04 11:43 GMT (UK): Quote from: fishweb on Sunday 21 November 04 16:29 GMT (UK)
Peter,
May I ask when you have time if you could look for Arthur Fitzgerald age 25 and a Catherine Higgins age 26 in 1891
Catherine was born in Northwich, Arthur Wilmslow and in August 1891 they married Address given for Arthur was Elm Hurst Lodge Fulshaw Park, Fulshaw and for Catherine, Alma House Alma Lane, Pownall Fee.

Many Thanks

Cathy

Hi Cathy
Neither Arthur nor Catherine are showing up anywhere in the 1891 census for England/Wales.

sorry, if I can help with anything else please ask

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: nora T on Monday 22 November 04 11:53 GMT (UK): i am looking for the timmis family, {james and wife catherine} audlem, hough, or market drayton, before 1784, or after for burials, thanks nora T
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fishweb on Monday 22 November 04 15:13 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,
Many thanks for your reply I'll keep searching

Cathy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: june49 on Monday 22 November 04 18:04 GMT (UK): I am researching Booths and Williamsons Both born 1817 Jane Williamson claimed on 1861 census came from Pott shrigley but can find know evidence on church records at st Christophers cannot find her marriage to George booth either which must have taken place either before or during 1835 when she had her first child Sarah Booth and they lived in fountain street sutton in Macclesfield :-*Burgess brindley Berry casey are all names I am researching thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 23 November 04 15:18 GMT (UK): Hi June
I think you will have to go through the Chester RO for this one, I did notice on the 1851 census that George was born Newcastle Staffs would this be a possible place to look.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: MerrilBurns44 on Wednesday 24 November 04 12:54 GMT (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.
Kitchen family of Dukinfield. Father Thomas Kitchen mother Margaret Ann Kitchen formerly Hughes and Ogden. Son Thomas Kitchen born 1846 Dukinfield Cheshire. Parents may have been married in Wigan.
Merril Burns Perth Australia
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 24 November 04 14:19 GMT (UK): Hi Merril
Welcome to roots chat
I have not been able to find a marriage in Cheshire, but if there is anything else your stuck on let us know.
I have deleted your other post as its not nessasary to post 2 identical posts on the same board.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Thursday 09 December 04 21:26 GMT (UK): I am researching Lunts from Peover/Northwich area especially Elizabeth born Abt.1849.

Also Jackson,Price and Jones from Runcorn,Cheshire

Harry Jackson b.1861 Bristol,moved to Runcorn
Richard Price b. 1840ish,montgomeryshire moved to Runcorn and was a waterman.
James Jones b.1881,somewhere in Cheshire,fathers name James mother Eliza (surname unknown)she died young and James married a Martha (surname unknown), she also died and James later married a Mary Jane Mayoh.

Any information no matter how small would be really appreciated.

thanks

Kerrie Mason
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 10 December 04 13:04 GMT (UK): Hi Kerrie
Do you have the names of Elizabeths parents, if so then I may be able to help with early census info,also with the others I would be willing to help, have you any specific questions IE census info etc.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June40 on Friday 10 December 04 14:33 GMT (UK): Hi I'm New

Surnames i'm researching in Cheshire are, Adams, Dodd, Jones, Liversage, Parry,

any help appreciated,

june
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 10 December 04 14:36 GMT (UK): Hi
Welcome to Rootschat

If its help you need ask away, be as specific as possible and give as much info as you have.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June40 on Friday 10 December 04 14:45 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,

Thanks for the warm welcome,

my problem is Joseph Parry born about 1816, in Great boughton cheshire according to census 1851 to 1881 he died in 1888, at the age of 72
he was 27 in 1845 when he married Sarah Liversage, in chester,
and according to his Marriage certifcate his Fathers name was Thomas Parry,

But i can't find a birth for him anywhere,
all help appreciated
Thanks

june
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Friday 10 December 04 17:16 GMT (UK): Hello Peter, With Ref to Elizabeth Lunt I do not have her parents names In fact, I know nothing about her at all except she was my G Grandfather's mother.

Thanks

Kerrie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Friday 10 December 04 17:38 GMT (UK): I am interested in finding more information on this family:
This is taken from the 1871 census(appleton,Cheshire)

SKELHORN-

Elizabeth-52-Newchurch,Cheshire-Head
George-22-Latchford-Son
Ann-19-Latchford-Daughter
Ellen-16-Latchford-Daughter
John-12-Latchford-Son

Any information,especially the husbands name would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Kerrie :)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 10 December 04 18:05 GMT (UK): Hi Kerrie
It seems there was only one family of Lunts indexed on the 1851 in Northwich reg district.

HO107-2165-F 512 Lostock Green Lostock Graham Cheshire
Thomas Lunt head 36 farm lab born Brereton ? Ches
Mary wife 35 Woolstanton Staffs
Samuel son 14 servant Peover
Sarah daug 10 Allostock Chesh
Hannah 7 ~
Elizabeth 2 ~

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 10 December 04 18:13 GMT (UK): Quote from: June40 on Friday 10 December 04 14:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the warm welcome,

my problem is Joseph Parry born about 1816, in Great boughton cheshire according to census 1851 to 1881 he died in 1888, at the age of 72
he was 27 in 1845 when he married Sarah Liversage, in chester,
and according to his Marriage certifcate his Fathers name was Thomas Parry,

But i can't find a birth for him anywhere,
all help appreciated
Thanks

june

Hi June
Was the father alive in 1845 wedding cert,if not have you found a death for him and where, I will try a search of the parish in 1841 do you have an address from wedding cert or 1851 census.
There is a multitude of Parry,s in Chester :o

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Friday 10 December 04 20:22 GMT (UK): Thanks Peter,I hope it's her!!

Kerrie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June40 on Saturday 11 December 04 14:41 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,

Joseph Father was deceased in !845 when Joseph got Married that's what it says on the marriage certifcate,

at the time of Marriage in 1845 they were living at Back Brook Street,

Thomas when alive worked as a Cooper,

i haven't actually found Thomas Parry's death as there are three possible Thomas Parry deaths on Cheshire bmd,for him,

all help appreciated,

thanks

june
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 12 December 04 15:13 GMT (UK): Hi June
I have searched all the households in and around the Brook Street area in the 1841 census without finding your Parry family,sorry, it looks as if Chester records office is your only hope of finding his details https://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/eshop/copfront.htm

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 12 December 04 16:31 GMT (UK): Quote from: kerrie on Friday 10 December 04 17:38 GMT (UK)
I am interested in finding more information on this family:
This is taken from the 1871 census(appleton,Cheshire)

SKELHORN-

Elizabeth-52-Newchurch,Cheshire-Head
George-22-Latchford-Son
Ann-19-Latchford-Daughter
Ellen-16-Latchford-Daughter
John-12-Latchford-Son

Any information,especially the husbands name would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Kerrie :)

Hi Kerrie
I think this your Skelhorn family in 1851

1851 FOLIO 653 Latchford Wilderspool Road

John Skelhorn head 27 master basket maker employing 3 men born Leigh Lancs
Elizabeth wife 31 Hollins Green
Margaret daug 5 ~ ~
Thomas son 4 Latchford
George ~ 2 ~
Daniel Johnson 16 servant basket maker Appleton
Henry Banks ?? ~ ~ ~ Malthouses Derbyshire
Joseph Robinson 19 ~ ~ ~ Grappenhall

Also in 1861

RG9-2797-F 67 Wilderspool Causeway Latchford

John Skelhorn head 38 master basket maker Leigh Lancs
Elizabeth wife 41 Hollins Green
Joseph son 18 ~ ~ Leigh
Margaret daug 16 pupil teacher Hollins Green
Thomas son 14 Warrington
George ~ 12 ~
Ann daug 9 ~
Ellen ~ 6 ~
John son 2 ~
Gilbert ~ 10 dys ? ~
Nancy Barton 41 unmarried basket maker Malthouses Derbyshire

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Sunday 12 December 04 16:54 GMT (UK): WOW!!! Thanks Peter, It does help!!! now I know who George's father was!!!!

Thank you so much :) :)

Kerrie ;)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Sunday 12 December 04 22:40 GMT (UK): Looking for info on Harriet BOOTH (nee CROWDER) born 14 Jan 1842 Waters, Macclesfield, Chesh and David BOOTH born 1834 in Macc. They were married 19 June 1865 in Parish Church, Prestbury. She was a Silk Piecer and he a Silk Weaver.
They had 4 children; Mary A b 1868, Sarah b 1870 (both Macc) William b 1871 in Rushton Meadow, Macc and Annie b 1873 Macc. All were Silk Weavers. I have been unable to find deaths for any of them. "The Girls" died sometime before WW2 and lived at Catherine St, Macc. The son William I have lost after 1891 census!
My Father remembers the girls as old ladies, when he visited them as a small child (he is now 90) they never married.
Any info however small would be a help as it might point me in the right direction for my very big brick wall of Harriets parents William & Hannah Crowder from Ireland!!
Many thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: June40 on Monday 13 December 04 12:45 GMT (UK): Quote from: peterbennett on Sunday 12 December 04 15:13 GMT (UK)
Hi June
I have searched all the households in and around the Brook Street area in the 1841 census without finding your Parry family,sorry, it looks as if Chester records office is your only hope of finding his details https://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/eshop/copfront.htm

regards

peterbennett

Hi Peter,

Thanks for taking the time to look anyway,
I have just recieved from a someone on GenesReunited 1841 census for Joseph parry, and he is with his father thomas living in The Village Chester,

details i have are,

Thomas Parry 50 head Cooper
Joseph Parry 20 son
Philip Parry 15 son
Margaret Parry 25 Daughter

thanks again

june
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Tuesday 14 December 04 10:23 GMT (UK): Seaching Runcorn Cheshire for the HARRISON Family.

All I have is Samuel Harrison born c1829 and his father named GEORGE no mothers name and no siblings.

When Samuel married in 1862 his father was an Engine driver.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 14 December 04 10:38 GMT (UK): Hi
Can you tell me where and when he married. If he is still in Runcorn in the early census I may be able to find him with parents.
The other alternative is the records office again.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Tuesday 14 December 04 18:40 GMT (UK): I am intered in the surname Harrison

George an engine driver and his son Samuel 42 on the 1871 census The area he was born in was Runcorn

many thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Tuesday 14 December 04 18:46 GMT (UK): Hello, I am trying to find a marriage of a Richard Price and Elizabeth Lunt abt.1873-74 somewhere in Cheshire.

Elizabeth was from Northwich, fathers name was Thomas

Richard was from Newtown,Montgomery, fathers name unknown.

If any body has any information no matter how small I would be very greatful.

Thanks

Kerrie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 17 December 04 18:00 GMT (UK): Hi Kerrie
I am having difficulty finding this marriage for you in Cheshire, do you have this pair as a married couple in the 1881,91 or 01 census if so can you post the details ?

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Friday 17 December 04 18:36 GMT (UK): Hello Peter, I have them on the 1881 census living at 47 Southern Street,Runcorn. (I think its them,but the ages are wrong).

Richard Price-34-Wales
Elizabeth -36-Stafford-Wife
Henry-4-Runcorn
Charles-3-Runcorn
William-6months-Runcorn.

Their ages and place of birth change on each of the census' But it's still the same family.

Theres another thing worrying me.

William Price is my G.Grandfather he was born on 25th December 1880.
If you look at the census info for 1881 it says he is 6months old!!!

Unless I've got the wrong family :-\

Kerrie :)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: kerrie on Friday 17 December 04 19:33 GMT (UK): Peter, I think I may have found Elizabeth Lunt on the 1871 census living in lancashire.

Elizabeth Lunt-21-born Cheshire-Boarder-Haughton,Lancs

Also

Richard Price-18-born Montgomeryshire,Wales-Brother-Cheetham,Lancs

So maybe they married in Lancashire????

Who Knows? :-\
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: marnold on Thursday 23 December 04 02:15 GMT (UK): I am looking for Eunice Moore, who was born in Wednesbury Staffs, she married JOseph Henry Cole. Eunice with her three children later lived in the Styal homes, probably from about 1890. I cannot find any details of them there. Can anyone help please?

Eunice Cole (nee Moore) born in 1850, Hill Top Staffs.
Married Joseph Henry Cole born 1854 Wednesbury Staffs.
Joseph died on 1889 and Eunice and the children moved, sometime, into Styal workhouse. Children are,
Benjamin Richard b. 1880
George Frederick b. 1881
Mary b 1885
Title: SANDBACH surnames
Post by: mellottandassoc on Thursday 23 December 04 16:53 GMT (UK): I am interested in any and all SANDBACH surnames. I am doing a One-Name-Study of the SANDBACH surname.

IN particular any information on Samuel & Martha SANDBACH or their son Joshua SANDBACH (Born Dec 1789) would be greatly appreciated !

Thanks.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: bigcol on Sunday 26 December 04 09:16 GMT (UK): I amm looking for the family of Sarah Catharine Creeggan who married George Henry Hodgson on 28th December 1910. I am searching on behalf of a Panamanian gentleman who is Sarah's great nephew. I need information about the family after 1901. Thanks.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 26 December 04 16:59 GMT (UK): Quote from: marnold on Thursday 23 December 04 02:15 GMT (UK)
I am looking for Eunice Moore, who was born in Wednesbury Staffs, she married JOseph Henry Cole. Eunice with her three children later lived in the Styal homes, probably from about 1890. I cannot find any details of them there. Can anyone help please?

Eunice Cole (nee Moore) born in 1850, Hill Top Staffs.
Married Joseph Henry Cole born 1854 Wednesbury Staffs.
Joseph died on 1889 and Eunice and the children moved, sometime, into Styal workhouse. Children are,
Benjamin Richard b. 1880
George Frederick b. 1881
Mary b 1885

Hi Marnold
As you say Eunice and Daughter Mary do not appear on the 1891, however her two sons do, details are;

Name: Cole, Benjamin
Age in 1891: 10
Inmate Born: Ardwick Manchester

Name: Cole, George
Age in 1891: 8
Inmate Born: Ardwick Manchester

RG12/3164 F131
Chorlton Didsbury
Chorlton Union Schools

I did a search of the other Chorlton Workhouse at Withington and found the following, which may be them, having had there names mistranscribed

Name: Coles, Mary A
Age in 1891: 5
Relation: Inmate
Born: N K

Civil parish: Withington

RG12/3164 Folio: 119
Chorlton
Didsbury Chorlton Union Workhouse (2)

Name: Cole, Emma
Age in 1891: 38
Relation: Inmate
Born: West Bromwich

Source information: RG12/3164 Folio 111
Chorlton Union Workhouse (2)

The Chorlton poor union did not open the Styal Homes until around 1898 so Eunice and Mary could not have been there in 1891, I have searched the index for all women with the forename Eunice born Staffs and living in either Lancs,Cheshire or Staffs and not found them.
It would seem logical that because the family where in Chorlton in 1881, the boys definately in Chorlton 1891 and the family all together again there in 1901, that Mum and daughter Mary would be around there in 1891.

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fizzybubble on Thursday 06 January 05 22:18 GMT (UK): Hiya,

Would love to find which members of the Thirlwall family were living in HYDE in about 1829. One such member would have been Philip Alfred Thirlwall.

Thanks,
Fizzybubble
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 07 January 05 12:31 GMT (UK): Hi
Unfortunatley the earliest index of all names is the 1841 census, and at that time there are no Thirlwell 's registered, can you tell me anymore about him.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fizzybubble on Friday 07 January 05 13:48 GMT (UK): Thanks - in 1863, he married in Aldershot and then he was in Farnham, Harwich, Woolwich, Newcastle (1871 census) and Hulme (1891 census). Can't find him in the 1881 census at all.

Now, if he married in 1863, I suppose he would have been born in about 1840, so he should be on an 1851 census and an 1861 census somewhere. He was definitely born in Hyde Cheshire according to the 1871 census and he was supposedly 42 (so born in 1839 then so should be on the 1841 census).

I have no idea who his parents/siblings were which is why I was hoping to find them on a Cheshire census in 1841, 1851 at least.

Any suggestions ?

Did Hyde have an army base ? Because Philip moved around a lot after he was married I wondered if perhaps he was in the army and his father before him too ?

The name was Thirlwall not Thirlwell if that makes a difference at all.

Fizzybubble
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 07 January 05 16:14 GMT (UK): Hi
In this case the spelling difference is of no consequence as I searched all the variations including Thelwell.
There will have been Army barracks in the district but their names would be indexed for the census as normal.
I have searched all the Stockport districts as well but still no Thirlwall's.
There does not seem to be a index for his birth on the Cheshire BMD, so I had a quick look on the https://www.1837online.com which is an index of country wide BMD and there is a reference to a Philip Thirlwall registered in Brampton 2nd qtr (apr may june) 1838 volume 25 page 30, there seems to be other families in the same district as there were several Thirlwall births within the 3 years that I searched.
Can I suggest that as you know when he married you should obtain a marriage certificate, from that you will gather in his correct age, occupation,his fathers name and occupation as well as maybe a relative as a witness.
I have a chart somewhere(cant find it at the moment maybe someone else reading this can help) that would show with the help of the birth ref. numbers which Brampton it was, there are several but none near Hyde.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/places/b.htm

hope you find your family

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fizzybubble on Friday 07 January 05 16:52 GMT (UK): Hiya - thanks for doing that.

Brampton I suspect is the one in Northumberland as that is where the Thirlwall name and first families originated from - they were up there on Hadrians Wall and even had their own castle (Thirlwall Castle which is in ruins today near Haltwhistle).

I am gradually working round to finding out what started the great trek south because by the early 1800s some were even as far south as Yorkshire (well in terms of transport that would have been some distance from Northumberland in those days wouldnt it ?)

Fizzybubble
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: fizzybubble on Friday 07 January 05 16:54 GMT (UK): PS Would a marriage certificate from 1863 have parents names on it ?

Fizzybubble
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: casalguidi on Friday 07 January 05 16:58 GMT (UK): Marriage certificates from 1837 are the same as they are today - name, age, address, occupation, father's name and occupation.

Casalguidi
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Bstw on Wednesday 12 January 05 22:42 GMT (UK): Hi Peter

I wonder if you can help with my research on Boswell family of Northwich area.

Known data. My G Grandmother Hannah Boswell was eldest daughter of a William Boswell who married a Mary Jones in Davenham Church 6 June 1853.

Cannot so far find any birth / baptism info on either parent.

In 1871 census records William stated as born Northwich and aged 38 so should be born c 1833/4 ?
Mary (Jones) recorded as born Weaverham aged 39 so born c 1832/3 ?.

On William & Marys marriage records (from Chester CRO) Williams father named as Joseph (mother not listed). Mary's father recorded as John Jones.

Would be interested in any info on any of these in 1851/1841 census records to try to determine any more information on Joseph Boswell & John Jones families (wifes names & other children).

Regards

Bernard
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 13 January 05 17:49 GMT (UK): Hi Bernard
I have found the following from 1841/1851

1841 HO107-98-21-F 11 Sandiway Weaverham

John Jones 50 ag/lab born in county
Hannah ~ 50 ~ ~
John ~ 20 tailor ~ ~
Joseph ~ 9 ~ ~

1851 HO107-2165-F 64 Sandiway Weaverham

John Jones 64 widow ag/lab born Beeston
Hannah ~ 25 daug dressmaker Sandiway
Joseph ~ 19 son errand boy ~
Mary ~ 19 daug housekeeper ~

hopefully will info on William Boswell tomorrow

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 14 January 05 14:54 GMT (UK): Hi
This is what I have found on the Boswells

1841 HO107-120-12-F13 Cockpitt Fields Witton Cheshire

Joseph Boswell 25 ag/lab born in county
Margaret ~ 25 ~ ~
William ~ 8 ~ ~
Joseph ~ 70 ~ ~
Thomas Rey 8 ~ ~

1851 HO107-2165-F 635 Shurlach Davenham Cheshire

Joseph Boswell 38 head lab salt works born Witton
Margaret ~ 36 wife Great Budworth
Thomas Reey 18 son painter ~
William Boswell 18 nephew app shoe maker ~

It seems a bit confused (nephew) but thats what it says, he could be adopted by Joseph from a brother or more likely an unmarried sister that maybe died ?
You may want to send an inquiry to Cheshire RO to find the birth, there is an email address on this page link
https://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/eshop/copfront.htm

good luck

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Bstw on Friday 14 January 05 20:50 GMT (UK): Hi Peter

Thanks very much for the info on Boswell & Jones families in 1841 / 1851 census.

Whilst the information does look a little bit confusing, it certainly gives me a lot more to work on. I will wait till the next time I am at CRO to look up the church records.

Does the ~ after William's name in your reply refer to birth in Witton or Gt Budworth (around 1842/3) ?

Then a possible marriage record for Joseph's to Margaret and Joseph's own birth in Witton records (around 1813-1816). Then the lead back to the older generation Joseph -possible grandfather !

Regarding John Jones's family, unsure if these two records imply John had both a wife and daughter named Hannah.
Daughters Hannah and Mary both missing from 1841 record !

Do you have access to any 1861 census records. Any information on the family unit at that time may possibly clarify some of this.

Regards

Bernard
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 15 January 05 14:01 GMT (UK): Hi
Unfortunately the 1841 census 's do not give the relationship to head, but I would assume Hannah applies to mother and daughter,there is a death registered in 1847 for a Hannah Jones at Weaverham on the
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
The transcript seem to have distorted slightly it should show Williams birthplace as Budworth age 18 would make birthdate 1832/3 not 42/3.
I will take a look in the same area in 1861, unfortunately there is no name index for this year so a county wide search is not possible time wise.

bye for now

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Monday 17 January 05 13:58 GMT (UK): Still trying to find the HARRISON family who were in Runcorn Cheshire in 1829.

My Gr Grandfather was Samuel Harrison born c1829 in Runcorn. His father was George Harrison who was an engine driver.

Can you please help? :'(
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: TheBeansprout on Wednesday 19 January 05 08:16 GMT (UK): Re: ADSHEAD in the 1841 census.

Would some kind person see if they find a John Adshead in the 1841 census. John was born in either Morley or Fulshaw in 1813 (the LDS '81 census says Morley, the '61 and '71 returns both state Fulshaw, so I suspect Fulshaw is more likely).

I know John married in Kettleshulme in 1844 and appears to have been living there - but having scanned many pages of the census return in the Family history centre in London, I've drawn a blank (as well as having square eyes !)

many thanks in advance.

Adam.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Laverdiere on Wednesday 19 January 05 19:19 GMT (UK): I am looking for John Robinson of Stapeley parish of Wybunbury and family. He was married around that area in the 1880s. There seems to be two John Robinsons in the area about this time which makes it confusing. One, John Robinson of Stapeley, was having kids in the 1880s, the other a John Robinson of Shavington was having kids in the 1890s. Maybe he was the same person, remarried and moved?

Laverdiere
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 21 January 05 17:37 GMT (UK): Quote from: Laverdiere on Wednesday 19 January 05 19:19 GMT (UK)
I am looking for John Robinson of Stapeley parish of Wybunbury and family. He was married around that area in the 1880s. There seems to be two John Robinsons in the area about this time which makes it confusing. One, John Robinson of Stapeley, was having kids in the 1880s, the other a John Robinson of Shavington was having kids in the 1890s. Maybe he was the same person, remarried and moved?

Laverdiere

Hi
When you say of Stapeley Parish do you mean born or lived there, if you are wanting census records prior to his marriage who would be his parents ? when was he born ? and can you give full 1871 census details.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Laverdiere on Friday 21 January 05 17:52 GMT (UK): Oops! Actually 1780s and 90s. Thanks.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 23 January 05 17:45 GMT (UK): Quote from: TheBeansprout on Wednesday 19 January 05 08:16 GMT (UK)
Re: ADSHEAD in the 1841 census.

Would some kind person see if they find a John Adshead in the 1841 census. John was born in either Morley or Fulshaw in 1813 (the LDS '81 census says Morley, the '61 and '71 returns both state Fulshaw, so I suspect Fulshaw is more likely).

I know John married in Kettleshulme in 1844 and appears to have been living there - but having scanned many pages of the census return in the Family history centre in London, I've drawn a blank (as well as having square eyes !)

many thanks in advance.

Adam.

Hi Adam
I have searched through the 1841 for all the Wilmslow parishes and can not find any thing, the 1841 for that area is only about 70% readable so it is quite possible I have missed them.

sorry can not help

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Sunday 23 January 05 18:41 GMT (UK): ???
Please can you help me Peter

Samuel Harrison born Runcorn Cheshire 1829

I can find no record of him and his family in Cheshire

His father was George I am still trying to find who mother was.

If it helps George gave his occupation as an engine driver on his sons marriage cert.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 24 January 05 11:37 GMT (UK): Hi
I believe the last time we had a look at this the decision was that the family may have moved from Cheshire by the time of the 1841 census,also you were going to enquire at the Cheshire records office,what was the outcome of your enquiry ?
I see that you have found Samuel in Salford in 1871,have you found him in any other census prior to 71 ?
can you give all the details from the wedding certificate including witnesses,address, full name of who he married and her father,ages, and church details.
I will do my best to help but there are very few records to see prior to 1841.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Monday 24 January 05 12:16 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,
I tried the records office but they could not find him. I have tried All Saints in Runcorn no luck there either.

I have him on the 1871 only I have his wife on the 1891 as a widow living with family.

The info I have on the marriage is from Manchester Cathedral where the marriage took place I did not go for the full cert as I thought that I had all the info I needed.

Samuel Harrison married Elizabeth Chapman 15 Aug 1852

Samuel 22 Batchelor (Waterman) resident of Silver Street Hulme. Father George Harrison Engine driver

Elizabeth 21 Spinster resident Silver Street Hulme father Edwin Chapman Finisher

They were still living in Hulme in 1863 when daughter Jane was born address James Place Southam Street

Thank you for trying again for me

kind regards
Sheila
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 24 January 05 15:11 GMT (UK): Hi Sheila
I have found Samuel in the 1861 as below.

RG9-2896-F 129 3 James Place Hulme

Samuel Harrison head marr 31 porter Runcorn
Elizabeth ~ wife ~ 31 spinner Salford
Mary ~ daug 2 Warrington

Also searched the area for any other Harrison's from Runcorn,but there were none.
You should now post a lookup request on the Lancashire board asking for a 1851 lookup in the same area. Sorry I don't have the 1851 Lancashire census.
Making sure that you give all the above info as well as the marriage info and details from the 1871 census.
Please make only one post as multiple posts only cause confussion.
It is likely that even if you find him in other census's that you may still have to go through the records office to find his baptism, it surprises me that they (RO ) did not offer their services to do a fuller search.

regards

peterbennett

hope this helps
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: buttercup on Tuesday 25 January 05 06:17 GMT (UK): Hi there!

Interested in BRYAN's from Neston area pre 1850's

Particularly John BRYAN's family John was born roughly 1830.

Im quite certain he had a father also named John.

Any info on the family would be much appreciated!

Thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: topmarx on Tuesday 25 January 05 16:22 GMT (UK): Just to say thank you for your efforts on my behalf.

I shall try again at the records office and ask for help on the Lancs board as advised.

Thanks so much and sorry for the confusion.

kind regards
Sheila
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: joyw on Sunday 30 January 05 07:53 GMT (UK): I am trying to trace Joel Bowden born in Butley 1809-1819, father Rodney or Rodrey, he married Nancy Woodall on 12 Aug 1844 in Cheadle. Nancy was born in Torkington c 1819 and her father was Thomas. I have them on 1841, 1851 and 1871 censuses in Bosden. Has anybody any information on either of these two please?
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Wednesday 16 February 05 10:23 GMT (UK): My Cheshire families are:

GOSLING - stuck at William Gosling, b. circa 1826 in Macclesfield. First definite trace at age 15 in Hazel Grove. Probably Methodist, if that helps! Silk weaver, later policeman, and finally publican of the Wheatsheaf at Broom Edge, Lymm.

JOHNSON - stuck at Thomas Johnson, b. circa 1781, probably Hazel Grove. Married Alice MARSLAND (b. circa 1786) in Cheadle in 1803 - both gave their address as Bosden, ie Hazel Grove. Christened 2 children in Bullock Smithy Methodist church (yet another name for Hazel Grove!), but haven't found a birth record for my gggrandmother Alice Johnson, b. Hazel Grove circa 1826.

MARSLAND - see above

HINTON - stuck at John Hinton, d. 1742, Lymm. Married Elizabeth WILLIAMSON in Lymm in 1732. Hinton gaps: John Hinton (1739-1817) m. (1) Mary (2) Unknown mother of Thomas (b. 1791). Thomas Hinton (1791-1869) m. Miriam circa 1812.

SORTON - shuttled between Manchester, Over Tabley and Lymm. Stuck at Thomas Sorton, b. Manchester 1764. Married Mary of Over Tabley circa 1790.

Hoping for some new leads.....
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Wednesday 16 February 05 11:29 GMT (UK): IGI on line search for William Gosling gives the following
William Gosling or Rowland. Christening 26 Feb 1826 @ Bosley, Cheshire, Eng. Mother Anne Gosling.
NB Bosley is a tiny village just outside Macclesfield!?
Hope this is of some help
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Wednesday 16 February 05 11:55 GMT (UK): I got excited when I found this one too, but my uncle (who did all the initial research) says it's not the right one - he turns into William Rowland, a butcher on the 1851 census. Thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: dawn43 on Wednesday 16 February 05 13:59 GMT (UK): am looking for shorrocks in chadderton,and andcoates found out when gmother was born and when married but trying to find any relatives she might have had muriel constance shorrocks born 1910 devonport married 1933, john hampshire lumsden born 1907 had two children my mother in 1934 and another child in 1938 by sadly died giving birth my mother wants to find out if there were any uncles or aunts and what her gparents nanes were any help would be really grateful
thanks
dawn
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 16 February 05 15:41 GMT (UK): Hi Dawn
We really need to know Muriel's parents names from her birth certificate (1910) then we can search the census for them and maybe trace relatives from there .

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Sunday 20 February 05 06:27 GMT (UK): Hi,

l am trying to find my grandparents a John Graham he was born about 1887 and my grandmother Lilian Fulford born about 1892 (where unknown. he was l think Irish )My mother Lilian May Graham was born May 1915 Birkenhead, l have her birth cert. but cannot find any marriage for her parents l guess anywhere between 1908 and 1913. Anyway you could help would be appreciated
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 21 February 05 11:58 GMT (UK): Hi
I have checked for the marriage on all the free BMD indexes
without finding a match, you now need to search the GRO index most large county libraries have a copy, and of course the GRO at Kew, if that is not conveniant then you can search it online at

https://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/index.html

it does cost, but could be cheaper than going to the records office.
If you find out where they married and need help with the census's please get back to us.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Monday 21 February 05 12:16 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,

Thank you for looking up Graham, l had tried Freebmd and like you found nothing also tried the years at 1837 online to no avail. l live in Australia so can not go to the places you suggested. Was at a loss to know where to go next.

Regards...tarnee
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 21 February 05 17:04 GMT (UK): Hi Tarnee

On the 1901 census there are only these its difficult to say wether or not one of these would be right, are there any parents names that you reconise as having carried down the family line.

Lilian Fulford 12 Bethnal Green, London father Robert mother Elizabeth
Lilian Fulford 9 Quinton, Worcestershire father Henry mother Eliza
Lilian A Fulford 9 Bideford, Devon father Frederick mother Annie
Lilian A Fulford 4 Bishopstone, Wiltshire father Charles mother Martha
Lilian Rosanna Fulford 2 Wellow, Hampshire father Henry mother Rosana
Lillian Fulford 12 East Hagbourne, Berkshire father John mother Louisa

John Graham

John Graham 11 Ireland father Henry mother Kate
John Graham 9 Ireland father John mother Emma
John Graham 15 Ireland father Robert mother Margaret
John Graham 12 Birkenhead father John mother Isabella

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: English Rose on Monday 21 February 05 17:26 GMT (UK): Searching for any CORBETT in Stockport, Heaton Norris and Stalybridge. I now that I have a few CORBETT ancestors who have eluded me so far in Stockport & Heaton Norris. I do not have access to the 1841 census of these areas, so any help would be appreciated.

Also, 1861 census of Stockport ...William Corbett, born Ireland in 1804/5. Known to have died in Stockport in 1864. Lived with his wife Mary and children. His sons were getting married at St Thomas's Church, Stockport 1870 onwards.

Any help would be appreciated.

Linda
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Tuesday 22 February 05 02:19 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,

Thanks for looking into the names Fulford and Graham.

My grandmother Lilian Fulford was 76 when she died in 1968 so that means born 1892, would make her 9years.

My grandfather John Graham was 73 when he died in 1960 so that means born 1887, would make him 14/15.

My mother was Lilian May so the lilian comes down the line also the John as her elder brother.

Would you be able to send me the census 1901 details on
John Graham 15 father Robert mother Magaret
and Lilian Fulford l just don't know.

l did a search on BMDindex for the marriage l covered years 1909 to 1913 all quarters with nothing. Maybe they married in Ireland? big puzzle and l am just not seeing the pieces.

Your time is much appreciated.

regards...tarnee
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 23 February 05 12:56 GMT (UK): Hi Tarnee
1901 census for John Graham

RG13-3759-F 21 Oldham Road Newton Manchester

Robert Graham 39 coach builder born Ireland
Margaret Graham 38 Ireland
John Graham 15 cabinet maker Ireland
Richard Graham 13 Manchester
Thomas Graham 10 Manchester
Robert Graham 6 Manchester
Charles Graham 4 Manchester

without the marriage certificate I am guessing that you obtained the maiden name for Lillian Fulford from your mothers birth certificate ? if so have you considered that Lillian may have been married before so when marrying John Graham she may not have been a Fulford ??? just a thought

good luck

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Thursday 24 February 05 03:15 GMT (UK): Hi Peter,

Many thanks for that info on Graham, your correct l did get Fulford from mom's birth Certificate, mom had 2 brothers one was older, not sure on the other one, so l don't think she was married before. Thank you once again for the help, much appreciated.

regards tarnee
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Shirley Sweetland on Thursday 24 February 05 06:13 GMT (UK): Hi Tarnee take a look at

www.cheshirebmd.org.uk

it might help

Regards
Shirley
in Oz
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Friday 25 February 05 01:30 GMT (UK): Hi Shirley,

l had already gone to that site months ago, nothing there, thanks anyway.

tarnee
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: max knight on Sunday 27 February 05 00:29 GMT (UK): Hi

I am trying to trace my great great grandfather Charles Swanson, born Macclesfield, Cheshire abt 1826. I would be most grateful for any information.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: tarnee on Sunday 27 February 05 01:46 GMT (UK): Hi Kellie,

Please contact Peter Bennett for research, l am a newbie to Genealogy, sorry.

tarnee
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: mystcarrie on Thursday 03 March 05 15:40 GMT (UK): HUNT- Pesselbrook?, cheshire.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jma09 on Tuesday 08 March 05 10:54 GMT (UK): I am researching my Grandmother's SUTTON family. William SUTTON and Esther WILLIAMSON were married in Stockport, Cheshire in 1837. They had 9 children: Hannah Buswell b.1838, William Williamson b.1839, John b1839, Thomas Williamson, Daniel, Robert Williamson b.1845, Esther Ann b.1846, Susannah b.1849 and Martin Buswell b.1850 - all born in Stockport. William and John came to Australia in 1866 to try their luck in the QLD goldfields. I am interested in any information on the remaining children. - any help would be appreciated. Thx Janine
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 08 March 05 15:15 GMT (UK): Hi Janine
I have managed to put together the following info on your Sutton family.

1851 census HO107-2157-F 149 Turn Croft Lane Stockport

William Sutton head 37 cotton waste dealer born Stockport
Esther wife 39
Hannah B daug 13
John son 11
William ~ 11
Thomas W ~ 9
Daniel ~ 7
Robert W ~ 5
Esther Ann daug 4
Susannah ~ 2 Heaton Norris
Martin B son 9 months Stockport

William sen. died aged 50 in 1862
Hannah married Eli Swindells Stockport 1855
Daniel married Annie Fletcher Hazel Grove 1864
Thomas married Elizabeth A Burkhill Heaton Norris 1868
Robert W married Mary Green Cheadle 1864

1871 census RG10-3656-F 11 Church Terrace Heaton Norris

Esther Sutton head 59 born Stockport
Esther A daug 24 sewer hat factory
Susannah ~ 22 ~ ~ ~ Heaton Norris
Martin son 20 book keeper hat works Stockport
Elizabeth Waters 73 visitor ~

Esther sen. died Heaton Norris 1872 aged 60
Esther A married William Camamile Stockport 1873
Susanah married George Lowe Hazel Grove 1878
Martin B married Ann C Hankinson Cheadle 1871

With the help of the 1881 census online and the Cheshire BMD you should be able to fill in a lot of the gaps.

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/

if you need any more help please ask

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jma09 on Tuesday 08 March 05 20:46 GMT (UK): Thanks Peter very much. This family has been a brick wall for quite a while and your kindness has helped me immensely. Janine :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: wellie on Tuesday 08 March 05 23:54 GMT (UK): Hi Peter
As your searching for other people if you come across any WELLAVIZE/WELLAVISE/WILLAVIZE/WILLAVISE
I collect all the above
Many thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: AliceO on Thursday 10 March 05 01:01 GMT (UK): Hi Peter

Could you please help - looking for Maria Hazelhurst born about 1823 Northwich Cheshire? Many thanks.
AliceO
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 10 March 05 15:47 GMT (UK): Quote from: AliceO on Thursday 10 March 05 01:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Peter

Could you please help - looking for Maria Hazelhurst born about 1823 Northwich Cheshire? Many thanks.
AliceO

Hi Alice
Can you tell me what info you have on her up to now, can you tell me her parents names, and the last census address you have.
We should be able to find something, just need a start.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: dawn43 on Thursday 10 March 05 17:50 GMT (UK): hi peter i am having trouble getting muriels birth cert iit wants her parents names and we don,t know them all we know is her dad was a sargent in manchester police force in early 1900,s any help would be appreciated
thanks
dawn
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: AliceO on Thursday 10 March 05 19:57 GMT (UK): Hello - I may have to send for a marriage cert. before I can give you further details. Thanks for your reply.
AliceO
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Toni on Saturday 12 March 05 02:31 GMT (UK): WHYATT HADFIELD SMITH TRAVIS WRIGHT BARLOW

From census reports of 1851, 1871 and 1881, plus some BMDs, we have the following:

James WHYATT born c1812 Reddish Manchester - married M/C Cathedral Oct 1831 - Agnes (aka Nancy) HADFIELD born 1812 Stockport

Nancy's mother was Mary [nee ukn] born c1777 Worcester, possibly married to Joshua HADFIELD (1851 census WHYATT household)

Children born to James Whyatt & Agnes (Nancy) Hadfield - Margaret 1833;
Alice 1836; Thomas 1841; Joseph 1843; Frank 1846; John 1849 (my g-gf); Mary 1853 - all in Stockport.

Nephew: Charles SMITH born c1835 Stockport (1851 census WHYATT household)

In 1851 family were at 11 Front Water St., Brinnington, Stockport. In 1871
at 2 Water St., Brinnington.

Mary Hadfield died c1857. James Wyatt died 1876.

Alice WHYATT (second daughter) married Cephus TRAVIS c1861. Children:
Margaret c1862; Frederick c1864 (is staying with James & Nancy 1871 census) and Mary c1870.

Cephus died; Alice remarried in 1871 to Joseph WRIGHT born c1826 Kent.
Family found in the 1881 at 1 Howards Court Brinnington. (Death &
remarriage FreeBMD-UK).

1881 - Nancy WHYATT nee HADFIELD a widow, office clearner aged 68 and lodger Elizabeth BARLOW age 21 located at 6 Barn St. Brinnington. Nancy died c1893 (FreeBMD-UK).

There may have been a connection to Derbs, as my g-gpts' (married 1875 in Glasgow Scotland) third child was born at Red Row, Mellor, Hayfield, in
1883. Fourth child, Agnes (aka Nancy) was born somewhere in that area or around Stockport in 1885. Haven't found her birth yet. G-gf was a "thostle overseer" in a Mellor cotton mill in 1883. Charles SMITH and Elizabeth BARLOW also worked in cotton mills.

G-grandparents came to Halifax Nova Scotia, Canada in 1887 and other than myself and a couple of cousins here, it seems no one else has a interest/is researching them, although there are many WHYATTs still in and around M/C, Stockport and/or Derbs.

Is anyone crossed linked?

Cheers ... Toni ... Ontario Canada.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Eunice Greaves on Sunday 13 March 05 22:03 GMT (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.
I am interested in Bebbingtons from Bunbury Spurstow Nantwich or other places near by
Title: COWSILL/COWSEL in Lymm and Altrincham
Post by: Judy B. on Monday 21 March 05 07:57 GMT (UK): Looking for any info on the descendants of John Cowsill and Bridget ? (could be Dale)
Children all born in Lymm, I believe
Children: Elizabeth born c.1817
Mary born c. 1818
Benjamin born c. 1822
Ann, born c. 1823
Sarah, born c. 1826
James, born c. 1829
John, born c. 1831
William, born c. 1835

I have some marriages, some children, some puzzles and a great many blanks.

Does anyone connect?

Judy
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Sarah Stone on Monday 21 March 05 08:57 GMT (UK): Re COWSILL

It might be worth posing the question on the Lymm website where they have a genealogy thread
Go to www.lymm.net click on forums on left hand side and scroll down to genealogy.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: RSD on Thursday 28 April 05 04:43 BST (UK): Re Sutton, William & Esther. I am an auctioneer in Sydney & have entered for my next auction May 21st 2005 a pair of oil portraits of William & Esther Sutton, probably painted around 1850's with details to the back mentioning dates & Stockport. As you are researching them I would think these would be of interest to you.

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Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Eunice Greaves on Thursday 28 April 05 06:52 BST (UK): Sorry most of my relatives are from Bunbury Cheshire The main line I am looking on at the moment are the Bebbingtons. My Grandmother was Mary Ellen Bebbington who was born 1871 in Hulme Lancs. Those before that are from Bunbury Cheshire. I have gone back to Joseph Bebbington born 1840 marrried married to a margaret Boughie who died and Joseph married a Margaret Bowden
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Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: RSD on Thursday 28 April 05 07:38 BST (UK): I don't think my message was aimed at you - I find this site incredibly complicated & difficult to navigate. Sorry for the inconvenience
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 28 April 05 12:33 BST (UK): Hi RSD

Quote
I don't think my message was aimed at you - I find this site incredibly complicated & difficult to navigate. Sorry for the inconvenience

Sorry to hear you find the site a little complicated, if you click on the help tab on the opening page there is a "how to list of links that are self explanatory.
You will find that you can send a message direct to any individual you want simply by clicking on the green scroll under their name.
Because this method of communicating is provided it relieves members of the necessity to reveal personal email addresses and the dangers that that presents. I will therefore remove your email address.
If you still find you are having difficulties please reply to this post and I will assist you in making contact with the "right"person.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Eunice Greaves on Thursday 28 April 05 15:52 BST (UK): Sorry as far as I know I have no Suttons in my line. Good luck in your searching Eunic Greaves
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: drakes on Sunday 01 May 05 22:33 BST (UK): Searching for Ramsden/Baird in Ashton U Lyne -

William/Helen(Ellen) Ramden - have 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 census for the family.
children - who I have information on and who remained in AUL -
Elizabeth Ramsden married? John Lee
James Baird Ramsden married Elizabeth Ann Cartwright (AUL)
Helen Ramsden married John Hargreaves (AUL)
Jane Gordon Ramsden married John Buckley?

regards,
drakes
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Monday 02 May 05 20:48 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
I wonder if you could find Samuel Maddock who was born around 1780 on the 1841 Census ? He is probably living with wife Elizabeth born c 1778. The will be living Over, Winsford, Northwich area. The marriages and births for this family are likely to be registered at St Chads Over.

A rather lovely lady sent me an inscription from a tombstone at St Chads, listing some births and deaths
and Samuel is listed as having died in 1848 age 68.

My interest is in Samuel a watch and Clock maker and Charles his son who also becomes a watchmaker.

Regards
Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 03 May 05 11:12 BST (UK): Hi Siouxzie

Have not found Samuel but here are the rest of the family, unfortunatly there is no name index with the 1841 so would not know where to start to search, I have looked all through the Over parish.

1841 HO107-96-26-Page 7 Over Lane Over

Elizabeth Maddock 60 born in county
Samuel 30
Charles 20 watchmaker
Sophia 25
Walter ? 7

hope this helps and I will keep my eyes open for Samuel.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Tuesday 03 May 05 11:42 BST (UK): Thanks Peter,
Didn't know about Walter. Wonder where Samuel is. They had other children; Joseph born 1803 died 1847 according to the headstone - maybe Samuel is staying with him in 1841.

I'd love to know who Samuel's parents are for certain, I found an IGI for a christening Samuel Maddock 16 jan 1780 Middlewich Cheshire - giving parents John Maddock and Elizabeth Balckhurst(probably Blackhurst). But I have no proof they are his parents.

Thanks for your help
Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Saturday 14 May 05 20:11 BST (UK): Hi Peter,
received Samuel Maddocks will today, written 14th January, 1840. Stating on it that the testator (Samuel) died 22nd March 1848. So he was indeed alive in 1841, so why not on the census with his wife.

I love Cheshire County Archives! I ordered the will online for £3.20 (bargain!). It is fantastic if a little hard to read; he left his wife his pew in the parish church.

I don't know who this Walter is though, a trifle young to be a child of theirs ? Not mentioned by name in the will, but mind you neither is Joseph.

Samuel the son is intriging - he is still living at home with Mother Elizabeth at age 30 on the 1841 census(although I believe he was in fact a few years older)and acording to the provision of the will he is to be looked after by his mother and in the event of her death the estate is divided amongst all his children except Samuel. Who is made seperate provision for, 4 shillings a week I believe to be taken from the business he bequeaths to son Charles, to be paid to Samuel until he dies. My thoughts on this was perhaps, Samuel has a disability. He is on the 1871 census living with younger brother Charles family then aged 64.

Sorry I am rambling, but the will got me very excited. It's another 8 years til Samuel senior dies, so where is he in 1841 - suggestions anybody ? Who are Walter's parents? Where is Louisa, because she doesn't die till 1843 and is mentioned in her father's will as an unmarried daughter?

Got to cook kids tea now
Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 25 May 05 17:07 BST (UK): Hi Siouxzie
I have a few bits and pieces found on the 1851 census.

HO107-2166-F113/114 Over Lane Over

Elizabeth Maddock head wid 73 annuitant Weaverham
Samuel son unwed 45 lab Over
Sophia daug unwed 39
Charles son marr 28 watchmaker
Elizabeth daug/in/law 30 dressmaker Shropshire
Mary Elizabeth g/daug 4 Warrington
Pricilla ~ 2 ~
male g/son 3 months ~

HO107-2166-F39 Little Budworth

Joseph Maddock 46 unwed servant ag/lab Over
working for John and Martha Done farmers

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Wednesday 25 May 05 19:34 BST (UK): Wow Peter thanks!

I had an interesting puzzle with Charles and Elizabeth's children. I knew of Mary Elizabeth and Priscilla born Warrington, although I have an IGI for Priscilla for a christening in Over. But I found 2 IGI's for 1851 one mentioning the 1851 census as a source and giving the name Adah Maddock Male, one was for a christening at Saint Paul Warrington for a Ada Maddock female. I know Adah is a hebrew/bibicle boys name and your census has him as a male grandson but with no name, so I am assuming he is Adah. But then we have the christening for Ada a girl! I wondered which one is mistranscribed; census or christening. Can't find Adah/Ada again, arent on 1871. Ada female, was the name of my husbands Maddock grandma, so I had leaned towards a female one until your posting.

Thanks again
Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 26 May 05 11:33 BST (UK): Hi
I had difficulty reading the name so I transcribed it as it was written (male) I am fairly certain Ada was female, she is shown as female aged10 in 1861 and female again in 1871 where she is living with her cousin Elizabeth Williams who has a 5 month daughter named Ada J
If you don't have these census details in full let know and I will post them up.

peter
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Thursday 26 May 05 13:44 BST (UK): Yes please Peter,
I hadn't any trace of her other than the IGI for her christening. It's odd though don't you think, that male grandson on the 1851 was obviously born in 1851, if Ada is 10 in 1861 she was born in 1851 too. But presumably later in the year after the census was taken. So the male grandson isn't likely to be Charles and Elizabeth's child ? Unless they could fit having two in one year. Maybe it's the unmarried daughter's Sophia ?!

I am being a pain arent I.

Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 26 May 05 15:41 BST (UK): Hi
Its no problem, have you considered that there never was a Ada (male) and that she was always a she and the daughter of Charles ? The male on the 1851 could have been a wrong transciption.

1861 RG9-2605-F55 Over Lane Over

Charles Maddock head 39 clock/watch maker Over
Elizabeth wife 40 Broserly Shrop
Pricilla daug 12 Warrington
Ada 10 ~
Agnes 8 ~
Ann 2 Over
Fredric son 3 months ~

1871 RG10-3698-F35 Dean Street Over

Elizabeth Williams head 27 mariners wife Tarporley
Ada J daug 5 months Manchester
Ada Maddock cousin 20 unwed Winsford

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Siouxzie on Thursday 26 May 05 16:06 BST (UK): Thanks for that Peter,
Yes I think I'll go for that just a mistranscription, If you look for Ada on IGI there are 4 entries 2 for Ada and two for Adah, perhaps whoever, was merely hedging their bets.

My husbands grandma was this Ada's niece and presumably named after her. I wear her engagement ring and feel especially close to this lot, despite them being his line not mine.

Thanks again for all your trawling on my behalf

Siouxzie
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: goff153 on Friday 03 June 05 14:55 BST (UK): Peake in Davenport/Astbury

Thank you
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: KenFollows on Tuesday 07 June 05 07:52 BST (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.
My g.g.g.grandfather was either John Follows or Robert, born circa 1811, m.Esther Webb; son John Follows b.1838. could anyone give me correct g.g.g.gfather - and possibly his father?Thanks from downunder. KenFollows
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: KenFollows on Tuesday 07 June 05 07:56 BST (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.
Sad to say I think I goofed - just posted message ref Follows ancestors - but should have indicated Middlesex origins at that time. Oops-sorry! KenFollows
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: audrey on Tuesday 07 June 05 08:09 BST (UK): FOLLOWS, Robert         Marriage
   Wife:   Esther WEBB
   Marriage Date:   8 Dec 1833   Recorded in:   Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
         Collection:   St George

hope this helps
audrey
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Jools65 on Wednesday 29 June 05 22:39 BST (UK): Hi i am researching the Marsland family from Cheshire, stockport area
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Kimberley on Monday 11 July 05 07:20 BST (UK): Searching ancestors from Chester, Cheshire.Joseph & Anne Joule ROBERTS formerly DAVENPORT had issue:Frederick William ROBERTS 11th December 1861.Address on Frederick William Roberts' b/c is Peploe Street,Hoole.The Registration District is Great Boughton sub district Chester Cathedral.
Joseph ROBERTS father of Frederick William ROBERTS gave his occupation as "Auditor" London & North Western Railway !!He married Anne Joule DAVENPORT in August 1849,Manchester.This family are still at Peploe Street,Hoole in 1861 census.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 11 July 05 12:22 BST (UK): Hi Kimberley

Looking at the 1861 census there isn't anything to suggest they were in Cheshire prior to 1861.

Joseph was born Holywell Flint Wales c1826
Ann born France c1829
Daug Alice born Manchester c1851
Son Joseph also Manchester c1860

It is not clear from your post who Joseph's father was, you should obtain his name from the marriage cert and then check the baptism for Joseph in the IGI records.
You should also be looking in Manchester area for an 1851 census extract.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Kimberley on Monday 11 July 05 14:08 BST (UK): Thanks Peter
Joseph's father was Thomas ROBERTS - contractor.This is according to m/c of Joseph ROBERTS & Ann Joule DAVENPORT on 27th August 1849 Manchester.

Not sure about records in Flintshire,Wales !! I think Joseph may have been born in Holywell,Flintshire to a Thomas & Catherine ROBERTS of Holywell.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 11 July 05 14:45 BST (UK): Hi Kimberley

Yes there is a record of a baptism (IGI) in Holywell for a Joseph Roberts father Thomas and mother Catherine, but Holywell is in Flintshire Wales ! Not in Cheshire, so therefore you need to look for them in the Welch census/records.

The IGI can be searched online at this link

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lloydy on Friday 15 July 05 21:41 BST (UK): Peter,

Some time ago you very kindly looked up my CHALLINOR/CHALLENOR family on the 1851 Cheshire census in Shocklach Oviatt. I have recently found out also that in the 1841 the Shocklach pages are missing.

Do you have access to the 61, 71 and 91 Cheshire census? If so would you mind looking in Shocklach again for me. I'm curious to see whether any Challinor's remained there.

Thank you

Jan
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 16 July 05 13:16 BST (UK): Hi Jan
I have listed below all the Challiner's that are showing up in the 1861 with a birth connection to Shocklach, not sure if they are all yours or not, but I am sure you will be able to sort them, I will look at the 1871/91 next.

1861 RG9-2014-F107 70 Wolverhamton Road Walsall Staffs

Richard Challinor head 32 manager gas works Shocklach
Emma wife 34 Bosward Ches
Henry son 7 Shocklach
Thomas son 2 ~
Mary A daug 8 months Walsall

RG9-4279-F128 Shocklach Oviatt

Charles Challiner head 24 ag lab Shocklach
Jane wife 22 Brym Denbishire
Ann daug 1 Shocklach

RG9-4279-F127 Shocklach Oviatt

James Challoner head 48 ag lab Shocklach
Sarah wife 47 Withenbury Flint
James son 9 Shocklach
George son 7 ~

RG9-4279-F127 Shocklach Oviatt

Mary Challoner head widow 70 Shocklach

RG9-1891-F98 Green Farm Cuddington Whitchurch

Martha Challoner serv 13 house serv Shocklach
Working for a George and Mary Kerrison

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lloydy on Saturday 16 July 05 14:37 BST (UK): Fantastic Peter, thanks very much.

The first family you've listed is my GG Grandfather Richard and his first wife Emma (nee Hughes). I knew that they had a son Thomas but wasn't aware of any other children.

I'm sooooo excited.................. ;D

Jan

P.S. My "Crest" picture is my Nan - Richard's grand daughter.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 16 July 05 15:12 BST (UK): Hi
1871

RG10-2925-F49 Leacroft Cannock Staffs

Richard Challinor head 43 farmer 65 acres Shocklach
Emma wife 47
Thomas son 12 Walsall
Mary daug 9
James son 7

RG10-5654-F127 Gwersyit Farm Wrexham Wales

Thomas Challinor serv 25 farm serv Shocklach
working for Price and Mary Ann Bithell farmers

RG10-3717-F31 Farndon Cheshire

Mary Challinor visitor 79 widow Shocklach
visiting Joseph and Sarah Davies both born Shocklach

RG10-3752-F86 Farm Cottage Bidston Road Oxton Tranmere

Charles Challinor head 35 farm bailiff Shocklach
Jane wife 31 Denbishire
Annie daug 11 scholar Shocklach
John son 9 Oxton
Sarah Jane daug 4
George son 1

RG10-5651-F13 Shocklach Oviatt

James Challinor head 58 ag lab 5 acres Shocklach
Sarah wife 57 Flintshire
Martha daug 22 unwed Shocklach
George son 15 ag lab working for John Rodenhirst
William g/son 5
Fanny Jones boarder 10 months bastard Oldcastle Cheshire

1891

RG12-4611-F113 Shocklach

James Challinor head 79 farmer Shocklach
Sarah wife 77 Wethenbury Flintshire
George son 35 Shocklach

RG12-2879-F6 34 Hamilton Street Birkenhead

James Challinor head wid 39 police constable Shocklach
Sarah daug 15 Birkenhead
James son 13
Annie daug 10
Margaret 5
William Pickering f/i/law 71 watchman Churton
Sarah m/i/law 62 Whitchurch
William nephew 25 gas stoker Shocklach

If you can let me know if there are any others I will see what can be found

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Lloydy on Saturday 16 July 05 17:14 BST (UK): Peter

A BIG THANK YOU

I am so very grateful to you for looking up the Challinor's for me.

This has confirmed even more information that I have for Richard. From 1871 I have been able to confirm where he was living. By 1873 he had been widowed, and had remarried my GG Grandmother Jane Trow. He didn't waste much time did he?!!

I am still in the process of trying to find out his baptism from the Cheshire records office, but as yet I have had no luck.

Thank you once again,

Jan
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Kimberley on Sunday 24 July 05 04:24 BST (UK): Quote from: RootsChat on Thursday 08 January 04 20:23 GMT (UK)
If you are researching families from Cheshire please state the Family and the area you are interested in.

Have b/c of Frederick William ROBERTS born 11th December 1861,Peploe Street,Hoole.father Joseph Roberts 'auditor' London & North Western Railway.mother Ann Joule ROBERTS formerly DAVENPORT.Birth Registration District Great Boughton,sub district Chester Cathedral,County of Chester & City of Chester.Cheshire BMD records birth - Cheshire West - Cat/25/75.
Am I on the right bus ?
Title: CLOUGH & ASHLEY families
Post by: shirclo on Wednesday 27 July 05 21:55 BST (UK): I am researching the CLOUGH family in NANTWICH & LITTLE BUDWORTH & OVER (1800s)
also the ASHLEY family in NANTWICH (1800s)
Any help will be very welcome. Shirley.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 28 July 05 12:55 BST (UK): Hi Shirley :)

If you have a specific request please ask away.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: shirclo on Thursday 28 July 05 17:09 BST (UK): Hi. I'm trying to find where some of my Cloughs were buried. I've bought SCFHS's books of MIs for All Saints Cemetary, Barony, Nantwich; and St Mary's Church, Nantwich.
I've also got their microfiche of MIs for St Wilfred's, Davenham; St John's Over,Winsford; St Chad's Over, Winsford; St Peter's, Little Budworth; St Mary's Whitegate.
I have only found 2 of my Cloughs from them.
I realise it is entirely possible there are no headstones to do MIs from.
The Cloughs may have been buried at a Methodist Church (one was baptised into the Primitive Methodists - Burland Circuit)
I'm particularly looking for the Burial of Johannah Clough who died in Dec 1/4 1910 in Nantwich & probably lived 100 Beam Street;
William Clough who died in Willaston, 31 Oct 1876;
William Clough who died in Mar 1/4 1882 possibly at Marsh Lane, Nantwich.
I would be most grateful if you could find them.
If you don't have access to the above MIs and ever need a look-up, please contact me.
Regards, Shirley
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: julie64 on Thursday 28 July 05 18:12 BST (UK): I've come to a complete standstill with the family of Jane Walker, born circa 1822 in Basford (??) Cheshire. I know from a marriage certificate that her father was Thomas Walker (labourer) and that she married Thomas Gater in 1841 (Stoke on Trent).
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 31 July 05 15:09 BST (UK): Hi Julie
I have had a good look around the 1841 census for Wybunbury ( Basford ) Parish and not found your Walkers.
However I did come across this family which looks as though they could be related.

1851 HO107-2169-F376 Hough Village (next to Basford)

John Walker head 77 joiner and carpenter born Audlem
Jane wife 81 Brackenhall

Sorry its not the parish records but I am not sure if they have been published or not for the Wybunbury parish, you may have to try the Chester records office. You can email them on this link.
http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/aboutus/recoffcontact.htm

good luck

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: norma_jess on Thursday 04 August 05 16:58 BST (UK): Hi, I am looking for a Mary E Stubbs, on the 1861 census she is living with her parents Sarah and Joseph Stubbs she is aged 7 and has Bond Cheshire as her birth place. I am looking for her birth which should be in 1854 but have not found any sign of her, has any one got any idea where I can find Bond? I believe it is Cheshire but where? I know I could find the records in the Chester Records Office if I could find Bond and I have Mary in 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census. I also have all the information about her except her birth. Thank you Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 04 August 05 17:58 BST (UK): Hi Norma
Where was the family in 1861 ? and where did the give for birthplace in the 1871 ?

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: norma_jess on Friday 05 August 05 21:37 BST (UK): Hi PeterBennet, On the 1861 cesus Mary E Stubbs and her family Joseph, Sarah and half brother William Biddulph are living in Kidsgrove Staffs. On all the census but the 1861 Mary is listed as beng born in Macclesfield. Joesph and Sarah are listed as being born Rushton on the 1861 census and William as being born in Sutton, and Mary from Bond. I have looked for this Mary for some time now without success. It does not help matters that on her marriage certificate she states that she is 21 which would make her birth date 1851 not 1854 as the census states, also the marriage certificate gives her name as Mary Eliza. Thanks in advance Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Saturday 06 August 05 14:03 BST (UK): Hi Norma
Can you give me the 1861 census referance numbers.

For some reason I cannot find the family by using Rushton or Kidsgrove as a keyword

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: norma_jess on Saturday 06 August 05 20:41 BST (UK): Hi PeterBennett, Thank you for replying, the informatin on the census is page 42 R. G. 9/1923 Brieryhurst Kidsgrove. Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 07 August 05 14:35 BST (UK): Hi Norma
Sorry it might be me but your Stubbs are not on that page of the 1861 census.

Or is it me being having a bad few days. :'(

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: MikeAdair on Monday 08 August 05 21:29 BST (UK): Hello. I am looking for Becket in Cheshire. My ancestors include Richard Becket(t) of Baddiley Hall. He had twelve children. Quite a lot about this family is contained in the will of Aston Becket b. abt 1774 Baddiley Hall and d. 5 May 1833 in Cranage. I have the family traced to the present but am missing many dates and important facts. Any interest from members? Mike Adair
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: norma_jess on Thursday 11 August 05 16:09 BST (UK): Hi PeterBennett, Sorry I have not replied before now but my mother-in-law passed away Monday so have not been looking at my e-mail until today. I found the 1861 census with my Stubbs family on it on the 1837 site, but have not found them on the Ancestry.co.uk site. My Mary may be listed as just Mary in 1854 not with the Elen or Eliza she has later. Again thanks for your help Norma
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 12 August 05 16:44 BST (UK): Hi Norma

Sorry to here of your loss.

I have found the relavant 1861 census page, it was page 47 not 42, and on Ancestry the family are indexed as Hobbs.

Williams birthplace looks as if it may read Diall Lane, which as you may know is between Congleton and Biddulph.

As for Mary's I cannot even hazard a guess at where Bond refers to in Cheshire.

There are a few Mary's born around that time in the Macclesfield/Congleton areas, have you tried sending for the birth certificates of all of them, and asking that they only send you the one with Joseph and Sarah as mother and father ? You would have to use the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ for this type of request.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: MarinaB on Sunday 14 August 05 01:59 BST (UK): Hi

I'm looking for anything on the CRANK family from Tarporley and surrounding areas. I have quite a lot of info from the 1861-1901 censuses but need to tie up some loose ends (i.e Who is related to who?)

Henry Crank b 1826 Little Budworth is my Great Grandfather
George Edward Crank b 1860 in Utkinton is my Grandfather

Any CRANK information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Marina
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 16 August 05 16:22 BST (UK): Hi Marina

Think this must be your family in 1841 and 1851, not sure where Henry is in 51 can't seem to find him anywhere.

1841 HO107-96-01-Page9 Little Budworth Cheshire

William Crank 35/40 ag lab all born in county
Ann 40/45
Henry 15/20
Elizabeth 12
Sarah 10
John 7
Jane 4
William ? 2 not sure of the first name

1851 HO107-2170-Folio36 Rushton Village Cheshire

Ann Crank widow 56 born Bunbury
Samuel son unwed 26 Little Bubworth
Jane daug 14 ~
William son 12 ~

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: MarinaB on Saturday 20 August 05 15:42 BST (UK): Thanks very much for that Peter.

Henry married Mary Forster in May 1851...........maybe he had cold feet and was in hiding ;D

Best wishes

Marina
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cynda on Monday 22 August 05 18:51 BST (UK): I am interested in JAMES CROZIER vicar of Weston in Nantwich in 1881. My grandmother was in service to him and his family and I am interested to know when he left Weston and where he went after that.

Cynda
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: redshank on Monday 22 August 05 19:11 BST (UK): In 1891 he was Rector of Coston in Leicestershire. He was a widower and living at the Rectory with Jane, Emily, Temple and Graham and two domestic servants Thirza Price and Virtile Clarke.

In 1901 he was still there, aged 80, living with Emily Augustine Harvey his daughter and two grandchildren Emily and Charles Harvey. There were also 4 servants - Alice Bailey, Eliza England, Mary Preston and Charles Waller.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: cynda on Tuesday 23 August 05 15:49 BST (UK): Thanks for that information. Will enable me to look into his movements a bit more easily.

Cynda
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Ter1 on Thursday 25 August 05 12:31 BST (UK): I am struggling to confirm the parentage of William Brockley born around 1813-1815 according to Census returns but 1812 according to details from his death certificate. He was born in Leighton nr Crewe and later married a Sarah latham in 1836. I have found information of a marriage between a William Brockley and Elizabeth Barrow in the Bishop's records (Nantwich) ref MF 264/41 No 37 CRO for 19/01/1814 and subsequently the birth of a son William to William and Elizabeth Brockley on 21st March 1815 at Leighton green,(MF 35/2 Coppenhall No61) However I am now uncertain whether this is possible because of the date extrapolated from the Death certificate.? Is anyone able to help?
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 25 August 05 13:04 BST (UK): Hi

Welcome to Rootschat :)

Is the birth you found 1815 a birth or a baptism ?
Is it possible he was born before the marriage ie named Barrow until the marriage. Or to an Hodgkinson female.

Ages detailed in Marriage/Death certificates and census are notoriously unreliable and not to be taken as "fact"

The 1841 census will round down ages to the nearest "five"

Does his marriage record in 1836 give any details of other persons, maybe witness etc.

Have you tried a 1841/51 census search for the "parents"

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Ter1 on Thursday 25 August 05 15:34 BST (UK): Hi Peter, and many thanks for the prompt reply. William was born on the 21st march and christened on April 30th, 1815 in Leighton Green according to the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
The 1841 census records his age as 25 which suggests he was born even as late as 1816. The 1851 census records him as being 36 ,thus making 1815 the birthyear.
His son Peter, my Great grandfather, registered his death as 66 yrs, thus my problem.
His marriage was witnessed by a Charles Ashley and John Briscall and there apppears to be no lead there!
Perhaps I should try and access his parentage through his siblings?
I must also review the 1841 census details again to see if I can make the connection there as you suggest? Should I be looking for a 'Brockley' living as a head of household in the same area, aged about 50yrs, as a possible lead as I really do not have strong information on possible Christian names other than William, Samuel, Thomas, John and Joseph as regular family names as a guide? Many thanks again, Ter
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 25 August 05 18:44 BST (UK): Hi

I noticed that you may have a possible father William who married a Elizabeth Barrow, I have followed this marriage through and found that Elizabeth seems to have died as William married again as a widower 20/12/1832 a widow Margaret Jones at Nantwich I am fairly certain this is the correct family. I have sorted the 41/51 census info

1841 HO107-117-8-Page 5 Leighton

William Brockley 45/50 farmer All born in county
Margaret 35/40
Thomas 20/25
John 15/20
Ann 6
Joseph 3

1851 HO107-2169-Folio735 Leighton

William Brockley head 59 farmer Haslington
Margaret wife 47 Cartmel ?
Peter son 30 Leighton
Anna daug 16 ~
Margaret 9 ~

I think its the next page that shows son Thomas

Thomas Brockley head 32 ag/lab Leighton
Harriet wife 31 Wincham
Mary daug 5 Leighton
Thomas son 4
Anna daug 3
John son 4 months

It looks as if the naming pattern with Peter showing up in 51 makes this family look a very good bet.

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Ter1 on Thursday 25 August 05 22:19 BST (UK): Hello again Peter, I think you have helped me sort this one out? Assuming that the death certificate info is not entirely correct as to William's correct age and we go with the Census stats, I am more convinced now, having seen your details on William's remarriage and Elizabeth's death, that the William and Elizabeth I had thought were his parents are the most likely ones. In support of this I have info on William's (1814-15/16) siblings which I researched from the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
William and Elizabeth had:-
William 1815
Thomas Aug 3rd 1817
Peter Jan 27th 1820
John April 19th 1822
James April 17th 1825

If it is the same William who then married Margaret as you have indicated then I have identified from the same records
Ann 3rd Aug 1834
Joseph june 1838
These certainly tie in with the Census info you have detailed.
If this is so then I believe I have been able to identify his Grandparents as William Brockley and Mary Bebbington married on 11th May 1771 again in Coppenhall records?
Thank you for your advice and assistance. I'm sure I will be asking for your help again!
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Friday 26 August 05 09:35 BST (UK): Hi Ter1

Its no problem, two heads are always better than one.

( Would you want the other post you made on the same subject deleting, just in case someone else starts a search thinking you have had no replies)

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: northern_rose on Sunday 28 August 05 12:45 BST (UK): I'm just starting to research my mother's side of the family who seem to be from Moulton, Over, Cheshire and am amazed how much more info there is available on line than for the area in Lancs that my father's family are from!

My Gran was Mildred DUTTON born May 1910 in Moulton to Albert DUTTON (details of DOB etc unknown as yet) and Emily (nee Clarke) born about 1880 in Moulton.

I know that Albert and Emily moved to Lancs sometime before 1830 when Mildred married my grandfather.

I have managed to trace Emily Clarke's family and have her parents as Herbert and Ellen (nee Bradshaw). I have their census data from 1871 on wards with Emily's siblings.

I would really like to try to go back to earlier census data (1841, 1851 and 1861)

The info I have on Herbert and Ellen is

Herbert born 1839(listed as 1846 on 1901 census) in Kingsley (listed as Norley on 1891 census) so he was obviously not always accurate!

Ellen (nee Bradshaw) born 1852 in Whitegate.

Any help gratefully appreciated!
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Monday 29 August 05 17:11 BST (UK): Hi N Rose

I think this is your Herbert and the rest of the Clarkes in 1851 and 1841, I have not found them in 1861 as I think the parents had died or moved on by then and the children were split up, I know not where :-\

1851 HO107-2164-F805 Kingsley Frodsham Parish Cheshire

William Clarke head 39 ag lab Norley
Mary wife 40 Kingsley
Ann daug 10
Herbert son 6
Mary daug 4
Joseph son 2

1841 HO107-97-10-Page9 Brick lane Kingsley

William Clark 30 ag lab all born in county
Mary 25
Thomas 9
Dennis 6
Elizabeth 5
William 2
Ann 1

There is a marriage indexed for a William Clark and Mary Oultram 19/Jan/1832 at St Lawrence Frodsham.

I will see what can be found on the Bradshaws and post again

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: northern_rose on Monday 29 August 05 18:27 BST (UK): WOW!

Thank you! You have added another generation to my tree!

Thanks for your help!

Heather
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Tuesday 30 August 05 10:57 BST (UK): Hi N rose

Here are the details I have found for the Bradshaws.

1861 RG9-2605-F69 Beauty Bank Whitegate Over Northwich

Charles Bradshaw head 41 sawyer born Little Budworth
Jane wife 37 Over
Ellen J daug 9
Hannah 5
Margaret 3
Alfred son 1

1851 HO107-2166-F132 Beauty Bank Over

Charles Bradshaw head 33 sawyer Little Budworth
Jane wife 27 Whitegate
Charles son 5
Mary daug 3
Elizabeth 1

1844 Charles Bradshaw married Jane Stretch St Mary Whitegate

1841 HO107-96-02-Page9 Chester Lane Marton Over

Charles Bradshaw 20/25 carpenter born in county

Sorry not able to find Jane Stretch in 1841 but if you ever get her marriage cert let me know their fathers names and I should be able to trace them,the same applies to Albert Dutton .

regards

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: northern_rose on Tuesday 30 August 05 17:18 BST (UK): Thanks for the Bradshaws. I have managed to trace the Clarke's from 1861 to 1901 with the info you gave me. They had two more son's - Levi and Reuben - very grand names!

I'll now try and do the same with the Bradshaws.

I have ordered Albert Dutton's marriage cert. which should be here any day. So I may just take you up on your offer to trace him!

Thank you once again.
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jeastead on Wednesday 07 September 05 02:33 BST (UK): I am looking for a James Stead who was listed in 1881 census as James Head
He married Hannah Madden who was born in Rochdale Lancashire in 1847.
James was born in Lymm in Cheshire around 1846.
any help would be appreciated.
Regards
Jean Stead
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 07 September 05 11:00 BST (UK): Hi Jean

Below are the details from the 1861 census that shows your James and his family.

I have searched the 1851 census for both Lymm and Appleton and there is no sign of them, its possible they had moved to Manchester by then.

1861 RG9-3045-F49 6 Victoria Place Wardleworth Lancs

Joseph Stead head 46 Borough police officer born Salford
Mary wife 45 Manchester
Mary A daug 19 cotton doubler Morton Cheshire
Thomas son 16 cotton packer Lymm
James 14 carpet printer Lymm
Maria daug 13 Appleton
Charlotte 9 scholar Manchester

hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jeastead on Thursday 08 September 05 08:32 BST (UK): Thanks Peter, this has given me another generation to research. I am most grateful for your help
Jean Stead
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research BROOKS
Post by: jennyhenry on Thursday 15 September 05 12:31 BST (UK): I have a family who were living in Stockport from 1881 onwards, they were all born in Norwich, can anybody find them ( except in 1901 which I have) I wonder if any of the children married or died there.

This is the 1881 census when they were living in Heap and Bury Lancashire

Elizabeth Brooks W 55 Norwich
Ellen Jemima U 34 Seamstress Norwich
John Robert U 31 Commercial traveller (Brushes)Norwich
Clara Eve 24 U Cotton Winder Norwich
Sara Jane U 22 Cotton Winder Norwich
Catherine Rachel U 18 Cotton Weaver Norwich
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Thursday 15 September 05 17:36 BST (UK): Hi Jenny

Can you show the full details of the family in 1901 it is easier to work backwards to find them in 1891.

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jennyhenry on Thursday 15 September 05 18:32 BST (UK): All I have is these taken of the bmd site, don't know if they are living together as have not paid to look at transcripts

1901 census Stockport Cheshire

Elizabeth (head)
Ellen 48 Dressmaker
Sarah 36 Sewing machinist
Clara 38 Winder cotton mill

George 51 Warper at cotton mill

Many thanks
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Sunday 25 September 05 11:55 BST (UK): Hi Jenny

Here are some details for your family between 1881 and 1901.

From the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ Catherine Brooks married a Mark Davenport in Stockport 1890, below is their 1891 census details

RG12-2803-F14 151 Newbridge Lane Stockport

Mark Davenport head 26 greengrocer born Manchester
Catherine wife 26 weaver Norwich
Frank son 10 months Stockport

The rest of the family in 1891 (except for John, sorry cant find him) is shown below

RG12-2803-F16 63 Newbridge Lane Stockport

Elizabeth Brookes head wid 63 Norfolk Mouche
Ellen daug unwed 43 dress maker
Clara daug unwed 32 cotton hand
Jane daug unwed 30 ~

The 1901 shows them living at 133 Newbridge Lane Stockport RG13-3297-F10

As for George he is shown in 1891 as below

RG12-2803-F109 6 George Street Stockport

George H Brooks head 39 cotton warper Norwich
Ann wife 39 cott weaver Haywood Lancs
John H son 14 lab Castleton Lancs
Sidney 12 scholar Castleton
Mary J Renshaw m/in/law wid 69 Bolton
Alice Renshaw boarder unwed 37 cott weaver Haywood

In 1901 just George and Ann are living at 113 Newbridge Lane Stockport RG13-3297-F10

Hope this helps

peterbennett
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Sunday 25 September 05 12:23 BST (UK): Hi Jenny,

John Robert was already married in 1881 (I checked the image), and must just have been visiting his rellies up north - the rest of his family is listed back at home in Norwich:

RG11/1951-Folio 74 - Pg 12 17 Distillery St, Norwich

Kate Brooks Wife 26 Commercial Traveller's Wife b. Norwich
Mabel E Brooks Dau 3 b. Norwich
Leonard G Brooks Son 1 b. Norwich
Gertrude Tilley Sis-in-law U 23 Umbrella Maker's Assistant b. Norwich

Here's the family all together in 1891:

RG12/1530 - Folio 49 - Pg 12 32 Distillery St, Norwich

John R Brooks Head 41 Merchant Clerk b. Norwich
Kate Brooks Wife 36 b. Norwich
Mabel E Brooks Dau 13 b. Norwich
Leonard G Brooks Son 11 b. Norwich
Percy J Brooks Son 9 b. Norwich
Florence M Brooks Dau 7 b. Norwich
Hilda G Brooks Dau 4 b. Norwich
Harold A Brooks Son 2 b. Norwich

And in 1901:

RG13/1844 - Folio 24 - Pg 4 86 Dereham Rd, Norwich

John R Brooks Head 51 Brush Factory Manager b. Norwich
Kate Brooks Wife 46 b. Norwich
Mabel E Brooks Dau 23 Board School Assistant b. Norwich
Percy J Brooks Son 19 Watch Maker [...] b. Norwich
Florence M Brooks Dau 17 Board School Pupil Teacher b. Norwich
Hilda G Brooks Dau 14 Milliner's Apprentice b. Norwich
Harold A Brooks Son 12 b. Norwich
Geoffrey P Brooks Son 7 b. Norwich

In 1901, Leonard George Brooks is listed at the Royal Artillery Barracks, Green Hill Schools, Repository, Gun Park and Observatory.

Rambler
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: jan44 on Sunday 25 September 05 12:32 BST (UK): :)

Hi,

I am researching the Clarke surname.

I have found my relatives on the 1841 and 1851 census for Chester.

on (1841) H017-130-15 page 7 Crane Bank Holy Trinity

James Clarke 45 Lock Keeper (born in county)
Mary 20
Sarah 20
Edward 10
William 4
Thomas 2

1851 H017-2172-f 344 Old Crane Street Holy Trinity

James C Clarke head age 57 Lock keeper born Welch Hampton
Martha (wife) age 49 born Overton Flintshire
Timothy 16 Sailor Chester
William 14 Errand boy Chester
Thomas 12 Chester

If anyone can help with any further details of these entries I would be so grateful.

Thanks

Jan
Title: Re: Cheshire Surname Research
Post by: peterbennett on Wednesday 28 September 05 13:04 BST (UK): Hi All

Please note because of problems of overlapping topics and replies this rather lengthy thread is now being locked.

Any requests should be placed on either the Cheshire County board or the Lookup board at the links below.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,6.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,205.0.html

Many thanks for your cooperation

peterbennett

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