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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: andrea_mc on Thursday 12 January 06 09:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi
i am looking for Maria Freeman born approx 1844 in Bovington Herts
Father john Freeman she married Henry Taylor 12 oct 1861 Bovington
On 1881 census she appears to be callled mercia
i would like to find her birth
andrea
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I think your on the wrong board there is an on gong discussion of FREEMAN on the Hertford board may link with yours :)
However I have an Elinor FREEMAN in Bishops Frome Hereford if thats any help please get back to me :)
Trees
Moderator comment: moved to Hertfordshire from Herefordshire
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Hi Andrea,
I searched the Bovingdon parish records for the period 1835-1850 but regret found no baptism entry for Maria Freeman. The only Freeman during that period was for Ann d/o Sarah Freeman born 27May1835 bap 02Sep1835.
Regards ... Peter
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hi thank you very much
was her father john there with other children ?
andrea
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1871 census RG10 1385 folio 16
Pudas Cross Bovingdon Hertfordshire
Dorcas Kemp 62 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Head Widow Straw plaiter
Thomas Kemp 22 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Son Ag lab
Jane Kemp 20 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, Daughter Straw Plaiter
George Kemp 18 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, Son Ag lab
Mary Baker 4 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Granddaughter
Henry Tayler 30 Chesham Buckinghamshire, Visitor Ag lab out of employ
Maria Taylor 26 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Wife Married Straw plaiter
Elizabeth Taylor 6 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Daughter
George Taylor 4 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Son Married
1861 census RG9 837 folio 7
Bovingdon Hertfordshire
Dorcas Kemp 52 Studham Bedfordshire, Head Widow Straw plaiter
Maria Kemp 16 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Daughter Straw plaiter
Thomas Kemp 12 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Son Shepherd's boy
Jane Kemp 10 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Daughter Straw plaiter
George Kemp 8 Bovingdon Hertfordshire Son
Regards
Valda
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There appear to be no Maria (or other spellings) Freemans born Bovingdon on the 1861 and 1851 censuses
1851 census HO107 1715 folio 78
Poods? Cross Bovingdon Hertfordshire
John Kemp 39 Buckinghamshire, Head Married Ag lab
Dorcus Kemp 40 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Wife Married Straw plaiter
Joseph Kemp 17 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Son Ag lab
William Kemp 14 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Son Ag lab
Ann Kemp 12 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Daughter Straw plaiter
Maria Kemp 7 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Daughter
Thomas Kemp 2 Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Son
Jane Kemp 4?mths Bovingdon Hertfordshire, Daughter
Regards
Valda
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There is a Freeman baptism in Bovingdon with a mother called Dorcas
FREEMAN, Joseph
Christening Date:28 Aug 1831 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,
Father: Thomas FREEMAN
Mother: Dorcas
Buried 19th October 1831
THOMAS FREEMAN
DORCAS MENTON
Marriage: 19 APR 1831 Bovingdon, Hertford
No baptisms for any of the Kemp children.
A possible death registration for Dorcas
Deaths Mar 1881
Kemp Dorcas 76 Amersham 3a 313
Amersham registration district covers Chesham.
Marriages Jun 1856
FREEMAN Dorcas Hemel Hempstead 3a _63
KEMP John Hemel Hempstead 3a 363
Births Dec 1844
KEMP Maria Hemel Hempstead 6 499
No Maria Freeman birth registration that I can see but FreeBMD is not complete for this period.
Regards
Valda
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hi
thank you so much i think you must have found her .
i had maria on 1871 married to henry taylor with kemp family .
but did not realise that the kemp family was important
is it possible to find any witnesses to the marriage of
henry taylor and maria freeman
12 oct 1861 in Bovington
andrea
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Yes if you have the details from the actual marriage certificate or the entry in the parish register. I thought you must have that because you knew Maria's father was called John Freeman (if you were illegitimate and you could get away with it you often gave your father's details as having the same surname as your own).
It might also be worth obtaining the details of Dorcas' marriage in 1856 or the Maria Kemp birth (if it is the correct registration) to see if Dorcas maiden name was Menton. Either of these would help prove the census information - that is if it is the correct Maria.
Regards
Valda
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hi
my brother copied the details ( about 15 or so years ago)
from parish records in watford i think
but he did not write them down the witnesses
as we did think it necessary .we just wanted a date and parents .
we now have access to census, bmd entries etc on line
i did not think to re check my early research and buy certificate .
i will probably buy both the birth you have found, dorcas marriage and maria marriage this week
thank you again for your help in tracing maria
i had forgotten my own advise double check my reasearch .
andrea
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Forgive my ignorance because I'm still quite new here and still trying to navigate my way around.
How do I find my way to the board with the on-going discussions about the Freeman's? I'm having trouble with my Freeman ancestors from Hertfordshire.
Thanks
Lyndsey
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hi
i was refering to a different website
http://GenesReunited.co.uk/
you would probably have to join ( i think it is £10 a year)
to write to people
or you could start a chat your self onRoots.
go to england and find the county the write what you want to find out rather like yo have told me
andrea
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Hi Andrea
Yes, I'm a member of the Genes Reunited site and it was probably me talking about the Freeman's. I've posted several messages on their tips board.
Your suggestion to start a chat on Rootschat is a good one, which I will do. It's one of the few things left that I haven't yet tried.
Thanks again
Lyndsey
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Forgive my ignorance because I'm still quite new here and still trying to navigate my way around.
How do I find my way to the board with the on-going discussions about the Freeman's? I'm having trouble with my Freeman ancestors from Hertfordshire.
Thanks
Lyndsey
Hi Lyndsey
You could also try searching and adding to our SURNAME INTERESTS TABLE.
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The How to Use RootsChat board is also very helpful when starting out.
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Best Wishes
Rick :)
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hi lydnsey
on genes site
some called susan has a william freeman from Meesden
on their tree.
andrea
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Hi Andrea
Thanks for the message. Yes, I know Susan, we are related. We met through the GR site and do our research together.
Well spotted though!
Many thanks again
Lyndsey
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Hi Andrea,
I found the 1861 marriage entry on the Bovingdon PRs -
Henry Taylor 22 Bach Labourer of Bovingdon F. Matthew Taylor Labourer
Maria Freeman 18 Spinster of Bovingdon F. John Freeman Labourer
were married by banns on 12th October 1861.
Witnesses William Fountain and Susan Taylor.
All four made their marks.
There was no trace of an 1856 Freeman/Kemp marriage or 1844 baptism for Maria Kemp in the Bovingdon PRs.
Regards ... Peter
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thank you for eveyones help
i now have birth certifucate for maria
24 nov 1844
father john kemp
mother dorcas freeman formerley Merriden
then i have marriage
john kemp aged 46 batchelor
dorcas freeman 46 widow
father John Herriden (or Merriden) Labourer
thank you
this now leaves me with the confusion of dorcas surnames
as the marriage found earlier of thomas freeman to dorcas
is Menton
andrea
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The IGI gives two possible spellings for Dorcas' surname on the 1831 marriage
THOMAS FREEMAN
DORCAS MERITON
Marriage: 19 APR 1831 Bovingdon, Hertford
THOMAS FREEMAN
DORCAS MENTON
Marriage: 19 APR 1831 Bovingdon, Hertford
Regards
Valda
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1841 census HO0 441/9 folio 28 page 5
Sears Bovingdon Hertfordshire
Thos Freeman 61 Hertfordshire Ag lab
Ann Freeman 60 not born Hertfordshire
Sarah Freeman 22 Hertfordshire
Jas Freeman 14 Hertfordshire
Ann Freeman 3 Hertfordshire
Fanny Merridan 26 Hertfordshire
Henry Merridan 9 Hertfordshire
Jos Merridan 7 Hertfordshire
next door
Jas Kemp 52 Hertfordshire Shoemaker
Sarah Kemp 59 Hertfordshire
Jas Kemp 20 Hertfordshire Ag lab
Regards
Valda
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A possible
1841 census HO107 111/8 folio 15 page 24
Back Lane Hyde Cheshire
John Kemp 30 Not born Cheshire Excavator
Dorkis Kemp 30 Not born Cheshire
William Kemp 4 Not born Cheshire
Ann Kemp 1 Not born Cheshire
Regards
Valda
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thanks that looks like the family
i had only looked herts for them on 1841 census
and not found them
the 2nd one i had found possibly
is a relation
1 as kemp family is next door and
2 merridan mother and child is with them
thanks
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The interesting thing about the 1841 Merridens is by 1851 they seem to have turned into Freemans if only for the census.
1851 census HO107 1715 folio 95
Bridge Row Bovingdon
George Freeman 27 Bovingdon Head Unmarried Ag lab
Fanny Freeman 37 Hemel Hempstead Sister Widow Straw plait manufacturer
Henry Freeman 19 Bovingdon Brother Unmarried Ag lab (1861 census a married Meriden in Bovingdon)
Joseph Freeman 17 Bovingdon Brother Unmarried Ag lab
Keziah Freeman 7 Bovingdon Niece Straw plait manufacturer (1861 census a lodger and a Merrington in Hemel Hempstead)
Thomas Freeman 4 Mo Bovingdon Nephew
MERRIDON, Henry
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1832
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1842 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire
Father: William MERRIDON
Mother: Fanny
MERRIDON, Joseph
Birth Date:12 Apr 1834
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1842 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire
Father: William MERRIDON
Mother: Fanny
WILLIAM MERRIDEN
FANNY FREEMAN
Marriage: 19 DEC 1831 Bovingdon, Hertford
Births Dec 1850
Merridon Thomas Hemel Hempstead 6 545
Births Sep 1843
Merridon Kesiah Hemel Hempstead 6 504
Regards
Valda
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DORCAS MERRITON
Christening: 14 OCT 1810 Studham, Bedford
Father: JOHN MERRITON
Mother: SARAH
Regards
Valda
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Hi
thanks that realy great
the christenning of dorcas fits in great with the marriage details, father John merridon and the Age is right when she married John kemp
what do you now think of the first marriage we found to thomas Freeman in 1831 ( denten)
do you think it is another mis spelling of the surname
Dorcas must have married some one freeman for on her marriage certificate to john kemp ( after the children were born) she listed herself asdorcas freeman widow in 1856 .
thank you again for your help
i will try and piece it all together .
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THOMAS FREEMAN
DORCAS MERITON
Marriage: 19 APR 1831 Bovingdon, Hertford
Regards
Valda
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hi
thank you again it looks like it is her marriage
so when she married maria`s father in 1856 that is why freeman was used as a surname
andrea
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Hi Andrea,
I checked the Bovingdon parish records today and their version of the 1831 marriage is ...
THOMAS FREEMAN bachelor OTP and DORCAS MENTON spinster OTP were married by banns on 19th April 1831 at Bovingdon. Witnesses James Durrent and Joshua Baldwin.
Regards ... Peter
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hi
i would like to find out more about her parents
john Merriden ( merriton) And Sarah
i do thinkthe above entry of 1810 is her christenning
john i think was born about 1780`s In Flamstead Herts and sarah 1790`s
on 1841
dacorum hemel hempstead
cressend ?//
( minington)
john 60 ag lab y
sarah 50 y
maria20 y
andrea
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1841 census HO0 441/9 folio 28 page 5
Sears Bovingdon Hertfordshire
Thos Freeman 61 Hertfordshire Ag lab
Ann Freeman 60 not born Hertfordshire
Sarah Freeman 22 Hertfordshire
Jas Freeman 14 Hertfordshire
Ann Freeman 3 Hertfordshire
Fanny Merridan 26 Hertfordshire
Henry Merridan 9 Hertfordshire
Jos Merridan 7 Hertfordshire
next door
Jas Kemp 52 Hertfordshire Shoemaker
Sarah Kemp 59 Hertfordshire
Jas Kemp 20 Hertfordshire Ag lab
Going back to earlier replies
i now think this is the father of Thomas freeman who was Dorcas Merridon
1st husband father
IGI has his Christening 1812 in Hemel Hempstead
Fanny Merridon above ( daughter off Thomas and Ann Freeman christened 1814 Great Gaddesden, Hertford)
Shown on the 1841 census married Dorcas Brother William Merriton
i am now trying to find out about Thomas freeman and Wife Ann
is this Thomas married to Ann Ghast 13 Feb 1802 Hemel Hempstead
as the families seem to interlinked
hope this makes sense
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
I didn't realise that you didn't already have this information.
Yes that Freeman family from Bovingdon on 1841 is Thomas Freeman & his wife Ann Ghast/ Ghost. The IGI extracted has the surname as Ghast but she is also know as Ann Ghost.
Kerry
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hi kerry
have we worked out who Jas 14 and ann 3 are from this census
andrea
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Hi Andrea,
I have been very lucky to have had some wonderful information sent me regarding the Freeman-Merriden connection in Bovingdon by a very experienced family history researcher to whom I am greatly indebted for her help and assistance.
Regarding Jas aged 14 & Ann aged 3 on the 1841 Census, this is what I have.
Jas is a shortening for James.
James Freeman son Thomas Freeman & Anne Ghost born Bovingdon, Herts 18 August 1827. Christened 20 August 1827 (private baptism) Bovingdon, Herts.
Ann Freeman born 27 May 1838 is the grandchild of Thomas Freeman & Ann Ghost. Her mother Sarah Freeman was born abt 1819 & christened Jan 1819 in Hemel Hempstead is the child of Thomas & Anne Freeman. Sarah Freeman married the father of Ann, James Final in Bovingdon, on 26 Jan 1845.
The above information was taken from PR's by Patrica Ward.
Kerry
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Hello!
Here's a few Merriden's I have on file. :)
William Merridon (husband of Fanny Freeman) was transported from Woolwich on the 14 Dec 1834, he arrived in Tasmania on the 12 Apr 1835 on-board the George III.
His two brother's George & Edward transported 8 years later, p10 Hertfordshire People Sept 2003 Nher9/60/1
Cheers,
corsharn
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Hi
i was wondering if there is also a link to a Sarah Mereden ( born approx)1781
who married George Sedwell 1803 Chesham
on 1851 census
chesham (hockley farm)
george sedwell 66 farmer of 90 acres latimer
sarah sedwell 70 chesham
joseph sedwell east 21 gson brushcover maker latmer
thomas sedwell 11 gson shepherd boy chesham
william grover 15 serv housekeeper chesham
mary clark 15 serv missenden
andrea