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Title: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 13:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike in Canada

Here are the Gander burials in St John Sub Castro - although there are two Henry's listed, they do not meet the criteria that you sent me.

Date                      Name                        Sex  Address      Age at Death       Parish      Memorial No
1907 January 12, Gander Annie Charity, f, Eastgate St, 22, All Saints.
1929 November 15, Gander Annie Florence, f, The Ridge, Lewes Rd, 28, Haywards Heath
1932 October 25, Gander Charles Anthony, m, 5 Spring Gardens, 9, OTP
1913 April 5, Gander Dorothy, f, 29 North St, 0.4, OTP
1876 September 13, Gander Elizabeth, f, 63,
1905 October 20, Gander Emily, f, North St, 56, OTP
1926 March 11, Gander Ernest, m, 12 Spring Gardens, 27, OTP
1935 January 24, Gander Ernest George, m, Sanatorium, 30, Robertsbridge - No 556
1903 March 7, Gander Frances, f, 60, OTP, No 415
1905 September 14, Gander Frances Henry John, m, Brook St, 27, OTP, - No 337
1906 September 15, Gander Frank, m, 32 St John St, 15, OTP
1937 July 21, Gander George, m, 5 Park Cottages, 76, OTP
1845 June 22, Gander, Harriet, f, St Johns St, 35, OTP, - No 309
1872 August 27, Gander Henry, m, 67, No 309
1920 December 11, Gander Henry, m, 20 Brook St, 66, OTP
1903 June 10, Gander Jane, f, 75, OTP
1923 October 6, Gander Lucy Ann, f, 33 St Johns St, 62, OTP
1853 April   14, Gander Martha, f, 66,
1879 December 8, Gander Martha, f, 0.3, OTP
1864 February 7, Gander Mary, f, 7,
1928 May 26, Gander Mary, f, 5 Park Cottages, 63, OTP
1902 February 22, Gander Minnie, f, 14, OTP
1886 January 30, Gander Thomas, m, 56, OTP

OTP - Of this Parish   

Hope it helps you

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 13:53 GMT (UK)
Mike

This is the Inscription of the Henry who has a Headstone No 309

Sacred to the memory of
Henry Gander
Who died Aug 24th 1872
Aged 67 years
Also of Harriett his wife
Who died June 15th 1845
Aged 34 years
Also of Jane
Third daughter of the above
who died Oct 17th 1875
Aged 43 years
Also of Harry
Eldest son of the Above
Who died Oct 15th 1881
Aged 38 years

"Weep not dear children, Be content
For I was only to you lent
The Lord has only had his due
And very soon will call for you"
Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 14:38 GMT (UK)
Mike

It would seem that the first Baptism at St John Sub Castro was in 1830, this gives a very good indication when the family moved to that part of Lewes.

1830 Oct   10, Gander Harriet, f, d of Henry & Harriet, OTP, Labourer
1832 Nov   4, Gander Jane, f, d, Henry / Harriot, OTP, Labourer
1835 Jan   11, Gander Elizabeth, f, d, Henry / Harriet, OTP, Labourer
1839 Jan   13, Gander Susannah Dennes, f, d, Henry / Harriet, OTP, Labourer
1843 Jul   16, Gander Esther, f, d, William / Chariety, Flint Row, Coach Painter
1843 Apr   23, Gander Harry, m, s, Henry   / Harriette, Flint Row, Labourer
1845 May   18, Gander James, m, s, Henry / Harriet, Flint Row, Labourer
1846 Oct 25, Gander Edward, m, s, William / Chariety, John St, Labourer
1848 Aug 27, Gander Martha, f, d, William / Chariety, St John St, Labourer
1849 Aug 26, Gander Harriette Attwood, f, d, Harriette, Brook St, Single Woman
1850 May 26, Gander Margaret, f, d, William / Chariety, OTP, Labourer
1852 Apr 4, Gander   Elizabeth, f, d, William / Chariety, OTP, Labourer
1853 Sep 25, Gander Henry, m, s, William / Charity, OTP, Labourer
1853 Jul 31, Gander   Martha, f,   d, Thomas / Jane, OTP, Labourer
1855 Oct 28, Gander Edith, f, d, William / Charity, OTP, Carrier
1855 Jun 24, Gander Mary, f, d, Thomas / Jane, OTP, Labourer
1857 Jun 28, Gander Mary, f, d, William / Mary Ann, OTP, Shoe Maker
1859 May 29, Gander Albert Henery, m, s, Mary Ann, OTP   -
1859 Feb 27, Gander William, m, s, William / Charity, OTP, Labourer
1862 Dec 28, Gander Elizabeth Ann, f, d, Harry / Frances, OTP, Labourer
1862 Aug 31, Gander George, m, s, William / Charity, OTP, Labourer
1862 Jul 13, Gander   Henry, m, s, Thomas / Jane, OTP, Labourer
1866 Nov 12, Gander Emma Jane, f, d, Richard / Susannah, OTP, Labourer
1867 Jun 30, Gander Harriet, f, d, Harry / Frances, OTP, Labourer
1867 Jun 30, Gander Harry, m, s, Harry / Frances, OTP, Labourer
1873 Nov 2, Gander Alfred, m, s, Edward / Emily, OTP, Labourer
1873 Aug 25, Gander William, m, s, Thomas / Jane, OTP, Labourer
1879 Oct 5, Gander Martha, f, d, Mary, OTP, Servant
1884 Nov 2, Gander Chariet, f, d, George / Mary, Brook St, Labourer
1884 Nov 2, Gander Charity, f, d, Edward / Emily, New Rd, Labourer
1884 Nov   2, Gander   Edith Alice, f, d, Edward / Emily, New Rd, Labourer
1884 Jun 1, Gander   Thomas Ernest, m, s, William / Mary Ann, 16 Brook St, Labourer
1885 Dec   6, Gander   George, m,  s, George Mary, Brook St, Labourer
1885 Feb 1, Gander Thomas Henry, m, s, Mary Ann,  North Court, -
1889 Mch 27, Gander William Henry, m, s, George / Mary, OTP, Labourer
1890 Apr 6, Gander   Charles John, m, s, George / Mary, Mount Cottages, Labourer
1890 Apr 6, Gander   Elizabeth Mary, f, d, George / Mary, Mount Cottages, Labourer
1895 Mch 3, Gander   James, m, s, Charles / Lucy Ann, ,1 Spring Gdns, Labourer
1898 Jun 5, Gander   Edith Ruth May, f, d, George / May, 5 Pleasant Pl, Labourer
1899 Dec 3, Gander   Sidney, m, s, Benjamin / Louisa, 1 Sun St, Moulder
1901 Jun 2, Gander   Annie Florence, f, d, Albert / Cordelia Ann, 4 Spring Gdns, Bricklayer
1901 Feb 9, Gander   Minnie, f, d, Charles   / Lucy Ann, 32 John St, Bricklayers Labourer
1902 Sep   7, Gander   Albert Edward, m, s, Albert / Cordelia Ann, 4 Spring Gdns, Brick Layer
1902 Aug   3, Gander   Gladys May, f, d, Benjamin / Louisa, 2 Sun St, Moulder
1903 Nov   1, Gander   William Alfred, m, Albert / Cordelia Ann, 4 Spring Gdns, Bricklayer
1905 Apr 2, Gander   Ernest George, m, Albert / Cordelia Ann, 4 Spring Gdns, Bricklayer
1906 May 6, Gander   John Henry, m, Albert / Cordelia Annie, 26 North St, Bricklayer
1906 Aug   5, Gander   Margaret Esther, f, George / Mary, 5 Pleasant Pl, Labourer
1906 Mch 4, Gander   Robert Edward, m, Benjamin / Louise, 2 Sun St, Moulder
1907 Jul 7, Gander   Frank Charles, m, Albert / Annie, 23 North St, Bricklayer
1908 Jun 7, Gander   Beatrice Annie, f, Benjamin Louisa, 2 Sun St, Moulder

Hope that helps with your research

Chris in 1066

Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: mandmsports on Saturday 21 January 06 15:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris in 1066

Thank you for the information. Although none of the Henrys in your find were "my" Henry, (my great great great grandfather). you did give me a date of death for his wife, Martha. I knew that she passed in 1853 but did not have the month nor day.

My line came to Lewes in about 1820 or so, when henry left the army, (10th Hussars) after 17 years service. His son, George, came here, to Canada in 1857. Two other sons were "transported in 1834 and 1839 to Taz. The remaining 5 sons remained in Lewes and as far as I know, there are descendent's there to this day.

Henry and Martha had 8 sons and no daughters.

Again, thank you for your help. :)

Mike  in Canada
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 16:16 GMT (UK)
Hi there Mike

Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex boards.

Nice to see that you have joined our little community.

Sorry I could not locate your Henry in St John Sub Castro, do you have any further info as to where he might be resting - especially as his wife is in St John.

If I can help you further, please give me a shout

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: mandmsports on Saturday 21 January 06 17:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris in 1066

I am afraid that the only burrial info that I have on Old Henry is that he was either buried or passed away on March 17, 1861 and was interred at St John Sub Castro. I do know, however that he was born in Cranley, (Cranleigh), Surrey in 1782 and settled with his family, (Martha and 2 sons, at the time), in Lewes about 1817-18. They had 6 more sons, all born in Lewes and all christened at All Saints, starting in 1818. In 1841, they lived on West St and then, according to the 1851 census, they lived at 19 St John St. His occupation in Lewes was listed as Town Carrier. (I would guess that would be "Town Crier"). As Martha died in 1853, I wonder if they would even be buried together.
Are you aware of any other cemeteries in Lewes where they would have planted people back then.
Thanks again, :)

His occupation in 1851 is Carrier (Town) - Global Mod

Mike (across the great moat)
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 18:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike

You asked:
Are you aware of any other cemeteries in Lewes where they would have planted people back then

Where should I start

St John Sub Castro
All Saints
St Michael at South Malling
St John the Baptist, Southover
St Thomas a Beckett in the Cliff (Old Town)
St Michael in the High Street (Roman Catholic)
Weslyean Chapel
St Annes without
and of course the Cemetary for burials from the whole town c1850 onwards

Found this one in the 1841 for St John the Baptist, but he has all girls, obviously not the one

GANDER Henry, 35, Coal Porter
............  Harriett, 31
............  Harriett, 10
............  Jane,8
............  Elizabeth, 6
............  Martha, 4
............  Denese, 2
............  Sarah, 6 months
All born in Sussex

Will keep looking for the other Henry

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: mandmsports on Saturday 21 January 06 20:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

Oh my! That is quite a list. Thank you, kindly, for your time. I will check back from day to day. It is confusing, that the info that I have on Henry shows him to be at St. John Sub Castro, (as is his wife, Martha), yet there are no records of him being there.
Thanks again for your help and quick responses.

Mike, in Canada  (Niagara Region)
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 21:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike

I think I have found him still in West Street, All Saints,Lewes.

HO107/ 1120/ 01/ Sched 31/ Page 6 - West Street, Lewes

GANDER Henry, 58, Ag Lab
............  Martha, 50
............  William, 25
............  Richard, 15
............  John, 12
............  Thomas, 10

All but Henry & Martha born in Sussex

Hope that was the one you wanted

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 21:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike

These are the Gander Burials in All Saints Church between 1738 and 1959

1820   August   27   Gander   Ann   Inf.   
1818   May   31   Gander   Charles William   2y 4m   
1818   August   16   Gander   Frederick   7w   
1861   July   6   Gander   James   68   
1879   February   23   Gander   Richard   54   
1867   June   23   Gander   Sarah Ann   78   

Hope you can identify some of them

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 21:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike

Henry is there in St John Sub Castro after all - when I transcribed the burial registers for this church back in 1998, I did it as follows

1861   March   1   Greening   Helen Eliza   f      0.3      
1861   March   3   Basfield   Elizabeth   f      26      
1861   March   3   Stronach   James   m      31      
1861   March   10   Weller   Joseph   m      67      
1861   March   13   Buckman   John   m      50      
1861   March   13   Chatfield   Joseph   m      4.5      
1861   March   18   Gardner   Henry   m      81      
1861   March   23   Page   Frances   f      18      
1861   March   24   Terry   Mary   f      7      
1861   March   30   Trash   Maria   f      28      
1861   March   31   Brazier   Ann   f      70      
As you can see, I mistook Gander for Gardener - very very sorry.

It was not spotted as I put the registers into an Excell database and sorted by surname - it was only when I sorted them back into date order and looked for March 1861 that I spotted my transcription mistake.

Once again Mike, apologies for that mistake.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 21 January 06 22:37 GMT (UK)
George

Do you have the 1851 census entry for your Henry Gander and Martha.

It lists some of their grand children

Incidentally, Henry is listed as Carrier (Town)  which means he carted goods around the town of Lewes, not Town Crier as you thought

Sorry about that

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: mandmsports on Sunday 22 January 06 15:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris in 1066

Yes, that is my Henry. OK, so he IS at St John Sub Castro.
That one listing, where you show him on West St. Is that taken from the 1841 census? I don't have any copies of British census at all but did find out, from another source, his addresses at the time of the 41 and 51 census. The children that you have listed are all Henry and Martha's. The other 4 boys have, either been transported or are, by this time, serving with the 52nd Regt.
I do have some info that Henry and Martha did have some grandchildren living with them as well as a daughter in law. I believe that they were with Thomas the youngest son. (Daughter in law should be listed as a Jane or Lucy?)
A town carrier! All this time, I was thinking it was town crier!
Chris, do you know of a site where I could download a copy of the 1841 and 1851, (Gander portion only), census?
By the way! Henry was born in Cranley, Surrey and Martha, in Thame, Oxfordshire.
Thank you, once again, for you input and help.

Mike in Canada
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 22 January 06 15:38 GMT (UK)
Hi George

Yes, the entry I gave you was the 1841 census for West Street, All Saints, Lewes.

Here is the entry from the 1851 census for Lewes

HO107/ 1643/ Folio 454/ - St John Street, Lewes

GANDER Henry, Head, Marr, 68, Carrier (Town), born Crawley, Sussex
............  Marther,Wife, Marr, 64, Carriers Wife, born Thame, Oxfordshire
............  William, Son, Marr,35, General Labourer,born Preston, Sussex
............  Charity, Dau in Law, Marr, 32, Williams Wife, born Nutley, Sussex
............  Esther, Grd Dau, Unm, 8, born Lewes
............  Edward, Grd Son, Unm, 5, born Lewes
............  Marther, Grd Dau, Unm, 3, born Lewes
............  Margaret, Grd Dau, Unm, 11months, born Lewes
............  Thomas, Son, Unm, 21, General Labourer, born Lewes

Hope that helps with your research

The children of William & Charity tie up nicely with the baptisms as listed in St John Sub Castro church.

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 22 January 06 15:57 GMT (UK)
Hi George

Here is your 1861 census for William, Charity& Family

RG9/ 586/ Folio 108/ Page 49 - 20 Brook Street,Lewes

William Gander, 45, born Brighton, Sussex, Head - Carman
Charity Gander, 41, born Maresfield, Sussex, Wife,.   
Edward Gander, 15, born Lewes, Sussex, Son - Carmans Assistant..
Martha Gander, 12, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter.
Margaret Gander, 10, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter. 
Elizabeth Gander, 8, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter.
Henry Gander, 6, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
Esther Gander, 5, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter.
Mary Gander, 4, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter.
William Gander, 2, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
George Gander, 2months, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.

Occupation - CARMAN / CHARMAN / CARTER / CARRIER - drove a vehicle used to transport goods

Chris in 1066



Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 22 January 06 16:18 GMT (UK)
George

1871 Census for Thomas & Jane

RG10/ 1067/ Folio 111/ Page 49 - Brook Street, Lewes

Thomas Gander, 45, born Lewes, Sussex, Head - Lime Burner
Jane Gander, 38, born Chailey, Sussex, Wife.
Thomas Gander, 20, born Malling Lewes, Sussex, Son - Labourer in Chalk Pit (Unemployed)
John Gander, 17, born Lewes, Sussex, Son - Ag Lab.
Edward Gander, 14, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
Charles Gander, 13, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
Fanny Gander, 12, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter.
Henry Gander, 8, born Lewes, Sussex, Son
Richard Gander, 5, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
Benjamin Gander,4, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.
James Gander, 2months, born 1871  Lewes, Sussex, Son.

Chris in 1066



 
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 22 January 06 16:29 GMT (UK)
George

And in the same House in Brook Street is

William Gander, 55, born Brighton, Sussex, Head - Carrier
Charity Gander, 51, born Maresfield, Sussex, Wife.
Henry Gander, 17, born Lewes, Sussex, Son - Labourer for Carrier
Edith Gander, 15, born Lewes, Sussex, Daughter - General Servant.
William Gander, 12, born Lewes, Sussex, Son.

Do you want me to locate the families in the 1891 and 1901 census returns - or have you got enough to go on with for the time being.

You can find them in the 1881 census yourself as it is on line at

www.familysearch.org

Chris in 1066

 
Title: Re: GANDER in St John Sub Castro
Post by: mandmsports on Sunday 22 January 06 18:38 GMT (UK)
Chris,

Thank you, very much. That info is enough to get me going for a while. I do have a lot of info on William Gander and Charity (Carr). I actually have had contact with one of their descendants.
With what you gave me yesterday and today, I have enough to keep me busy for a bit.
Thank you, also, for the link to the later census reports. I will save that addy and get to it later.

Mike