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I have found the marriage of Florence Mary Sutherden (Poplar) and Henry Edward Reeves (Walthamstow) in the BMD. They immigrated to Canada, left Liverpool in 1908 on the "Kensington" with two children Henry William and Grace. Have no information on their siblings or parents names. They are my great-grandparents and William is my grandfather. Would someone please look up any of the census' for info. I have found nothing in the 1881 (Latter Day Saints)
Thanks - Pat
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Reeves, Henry Edward 1900 September Marriages West Ham Essex Greater London 4a 380
Sutherden, Florence Mary 1900 September Marriages West Ham Essex Greater London 4a 380
1901 Walthamstow, Essex RG13 1623 103 p6
18 Vernlam Avenue
Henry E Reeves, head, mar, 27, Wood Machinist, b. Southend, Essex
Florence M Reeves, wife, mar, 22, Shirt Machinist, b. Poplar, Middlesex
Rose E Sutherden, sister in law, unm, 21, Shirt Machinist, b. Poplar, Middlesex
More later. CP
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Thank you cep, you have already shown me Rose was related, I had looked up births in the BMD that were in Poplar and all around the ages. Looking forward
to hear from you again.
Thanks again Pat
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Reeves, Henry William 1901 September Births West Ham Essex Greater London 4a 407
Reeves, Grace Lilian 1905 March Births West Ham Essex Greater London 4a 404
Also:
Reeves, Henry William E 1902 September Births West Ham 4a 473
1891 West Ham, Essex RG12 1324 16 p28
9 Third Avenue, Bishops Road
William Sutherden, head, wid, 36, Boiler Maker, b. Woolwich, Kent
Florence Sutherden, dau, 12, Scholar, b. Poplar, London
Rose Sutherden, dau, 11, Scholar, b. Poplar, London
Mary A Sutherden, dau, 8, Scholar, b. Poplar
Elizabeth Sutherden, dau, 6, Scholar, b. Barking, Essex
Stay tuned. CP
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1881 Bromley, St Leonard, London RG11 0502 59 p54
28 Wilson Street
William Sutherden, head, mar, 26, Iron Worker in Ship Yard, b. Charlton, Kent
Annie Sutherden, wife, mar, 24, b. Poplar, Middlesex
Annie Sutherden, dau, 3, b. Poplar
Florence Sutherden, dau, 2, b. Poplar
Rose Sutherden, dau, 1, b. Poplar
Cook, Ann Maria 1876 December Marriages West Ham Essex
Payne, Henry 1876 December Marriages West Ham Essex
Sutherden, Mary Ann C 1876 December Marriages West Ham Essex
Sutherden, William Richard 1876 December Marriages West Ham Essex
These all Vol 4a p 35
CP
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Thank you! :)
Working on this end, cannot find Henry Edward's birth, found Henry W.
1901 is correct for Henry and Grace is his sister.
Found a death for Ann Maria in 1893 but census says he was a widower in 1
1891 -
Got lots to work on , thank cep
Pat :D :D
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1871 Poplar, London RG10 588 72 p29
14 Ferry Street
Elizabeth Sutherden, wife, mar, 40, None, b. Rochester, Kent
William Sutherden, son, unm, 16, Blacksmith, b. Woolwich, Kent
Mary A Sutherden, dau, 14, Scholar, b. Woolwich
Charles Sutherden, son, 11, Scholar, b. Woolwich
1861 Woolwich, Kent RG9 405 11 p26
25 Prospect Place
Thomas Ramsey, head, mar, 29, Leaking? Maker, R Navy, b. Woolwich
Elna (Elsa?) Ramsey, wife, mar, 23, b. Woolwich
Elizabeth Southerden, wife, mar, 32, Wife of Inspector of Iron Works, b. Rochester, Kent
Elsa? Southerden, dau, b. Woolwich
William Southerden, son, 7, b. Woolwich
Mary Ann Southerden, dau, 4, b. Woolwich
Charles Southerden, son, 22 mo, b. Woolwich
Mary Ann Barnett?, mother?, wid, 77, b. Waltham Abbey
Sarah Southerden, niece?, 7, b. Lewisham, Kent
Lots to chew on here. Where are you? Assume Canada.
CP
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What do you think cip
Annie Maria Sutherden, died Sept 1893 age 37 Pancras Vol 1B pg 20
Everything matches, marriage and age but census states in 1891 he is a widower.? Pancras is in area - ?
Also found death of son - William Richard Dec 1881 birth and death and all of the sisters.
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Hi cip :D
We must have posted at the same time.
Yes, Ontario, Canada. Henry brought Florence to Windsor to live. Florence delivered my mother - hence my mother is Florence Mary . We didn't know Florence was a midwife and a Shirt Machinist!
Yes, you definitely have sent lots to chew on!! ;)
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Hi cip :)
Think I found the father of William -
William Richard, b 1825 Charlton, Kent D Mar 1899 West Ham
now a problem with the next William, states he was 16 in 1871 so born in 1854-55, and I have found a birth but for 1850. Is it possible to be out that much?
Pat
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Found a William Richard and Elizabeth Barrett marriage June 1849 Vol 5 Pg 364.
Mary Ann Barnett is "Barrett"? so could be Elizabeths mother living with them.
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'Morning, Pat
Difficulty finding Henry Reeves, but this is possible family.
1881 Leyton, Essex RG11 1725 64 p46
13 Grange Road
Henry Reeve, head, mar, 33, Bricklayer, b. Pulham Market, Norfolk
Annie Reeve, wife, mar, 29, b. Bow, Middx
Henry Reeve, son, 7, Scholar, b. Leyton
William Reeve, son, 6, Scholar, b. Leyton
George Reeve, son, 4, Scholar, b. Leyton
Ernest Reeve, son, 2, b. Leyton
Mary J Reeve, dau, 1, b. Leyton
1891 Leyton, Essex RG12 1343 69 p26
13 Jane's Cottage
Henry Reeve, head, mar, 43, Bricklayer, b. Pulham, Norfolk
Annie Reeve, wife, mar, 39, b. Bow, Middx
Henry Reeve, son, unm, 17, [Bricklayers] Labourer, b. Leyton
William J Reeve, son, unm, 16, Pianoforte Maker?, b.Leyton
Alfred Reeve, son, 14, Florists Assistant, b. Leyton
Ernest Reeve, son, 12, Scholar, b. Leyton
Mary J Reeve, dau, 11, Scholar, b. Leyton
Herbert Reeve, son, 9, Scholar, b. Leyton
Fred Reeve, son, 7, Scholar, b. Leyton
George Reeve, son, 3, b. Leyton
Alice C Reeve, dau, 11? mo, b. Leyton
1901 Leyton, Essex RG13 1620 12 p16
23 Byron Road
Henry Reeve, head, mar, 53, Bricklayer, b. Pulham Market, Norfolk
Annie Reeve, wife, mar, 48, b. Bow, London
Mary Reeve, dau, unm, 21, Housemaid, Domestic, b. Leyton
Herbert Reeve, son, unm, 20, Bricklayer, b. Leyton
Fred Reeve, son, unm, 17, Gen Labourer, b. Leyton
George Reeve, son, 12, b. Leyton
Alice Reeve, dau, 10, b. Leyton
Horace Reeve, son, 9, b. Leyton
Regards CP
Milton, Ontario
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Found a death for Ann Maria in 1893 but census says he was a widower in 1
1891 -
1891 William Sutherden is clearly marked as Widr.
Last child b. 1885, so would expect death 1885 - 1891
No! She is in hospital.
RG12 281 74 p6
Regards CP
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1891 William Sutherden is clearly marked as Widr.
Last child b. 1885, so would expect death 1885 - 1891
No! She is in hospital.
RG12 281 74 p6
Good afternoon cip,
How do you know this? I am genealogically illiterate sometimes! ;D
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Back again :)
THe Reeves family looks good - It seems to tie in on ages. I just don't have anyone here to verify at this moment. I am going to copy and pass around to some of the aunts and uncles still alive.
Appreciate your info very much -
So your from Milton?, I am near London
Pat
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How do you know this?
1891
Annie Marie Sutherden, patient, mar, 34, b. Poplar, Middx
The London Hospital, Whitechapel Road
"For reception & relief of sick & wounded Seamen, Artizans, Laborers, Women & Children"
(Extract from the Charter).
Regards CP
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now a problem with the next William, states he was 16 in 1871 so born in 1854-55, and I have found a birth but for 1850. Is it possible to be out that much?
Look for William b. c 1850, died after 1851 and second William b. 1854
Also see my 1861 above:
It would be interesting to see who Thomas Ramsey married ........
1851 Woolwich, Kent HO107 1588 216 p24
67 Prospect Row
William Sutherden, head, mar, 26, Smith (Factory), b. Woolwich
Elizabeth Sutherden, wife, mar, 23, b. Rochester, Kent
William Sutherden, son, 11 mo, b. Woolwich
1851 Woolwich, Kent HO107 1588 352 p44
14 Godfrey Street
William Sutherden, head, wid, 62, Pensioner, H M Dockyard, b. St Margarets, Westmeath, Ireland?
Elisa Sutherden, dau, unm, 21, Parish Relief, b. Woolwich
Regards CP
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It would be interesting to see who Thomas Ramsey married ........
Checked the BMD and found a Thomas Ramsey married a Emma Brown, March 1866 Vol 4a pg 201. She could be a niece. Have to do more investigation.
Thanks, Pat
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Hi cep
In the Reeves census, did you ever come across a family with Rachel, Rose and Emma in it?
Their is a question from the living member of the family that these were names they remembered being Henry Edwards sisters. ???????????
I checked the BMD and did find a Emma Reeve , West Ham , 1872 Vol 4a pg 6 but no Rose or Rachel.
Thanks, Pat
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The only place we reliably find Henry Reeves is the 1901 census.
He is reported as b. 1874 in Southend, Essex.
Presumably Southend on Sea, Rochford district, but may be anywhere.
I can't find him in any other census, Rachel & Rose are no help, and too many Emmas to be useful.
Can't even find his birth.
Think you are going to have to buy a certificate.
There are lots of hints, like a Grace Lillian b. Leigh on Sea, near Southend, 1895.
Could this be a family name?
Regards CP
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:)
Interesting - I had to look up my info on Henry Williams Reeves sister and her name is Grace Lillian! b. 1905 Wathamstowe, England,
Henrys childrens names are Lloyd William, Florence Mary, Henry Edward, Kenneth Roy, James Grant, David Richard, Betty Ann, & Doris Gay
I wil check out our new Grace Lillian
Thank you - Pat
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Hi
Have been reading yr messages regarding Reeves family in West Ham. My father was George Reeves, b 1910 (or 13) his mother was Elizabeth Jessie Reeves (dad unknown!) do you know if your Henry had any sisters? Strangely enough, my grandmother always used to call herself Gracie.
Thanks
Viv
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Hi Viv:, Sorry I didn't respond sooner
I recently sent a letter to British Columbia to the daughter of Grace Reeves, asking the same question. I have absolutely no information regarding Henrys siblings or parents so I am at a dead end.
My mother said that her dad ( William Henry)told her that they moved to Canada several times over the years, sold everything in Canada and moved back to England, but always came back to Canada. Have no idea where they went back to either.
If I hear from Graces daughter I will respond again.
Take care
Pat :D
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Hi Pat
Thanks a lot :-*
Take care
Viv
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Hi Viv :D
Its ironic that you just responded because I am sitting here filling in the info from the marriage certificate I received Wednesday.
I never received a letter back from the relative so I broke down and asked for the marriage certificate of Henry Edward to find his fathers name and siblings.
So Far:
James Richard Reeves who was from Kent County. The response was dated last Thursday here so you can follow it there. Unfortunately I do not know any info pertaining to your George in 1910
Lots of info to chew on for awhile. Will keep you posted.
Pat
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:) HI Pat
You will never guess....my ex husbands gt grandfather was a James Richard Reeves but they all came from Bermondsey. Apart from my being born a Reeves, I had to go marry one too! So you can imagine the fun I am having building a family tree for my kids!
Viv