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I really need some help locating a marriage between Henry Croom born 1859 Gloucester and Mary Ann Amos born ? Mountain Ash. I have searched everywhere and i cannot find it. Family rumour has it that as Henry was in the armed forces it took place in Curragh in Ireland but a little bit of detective work and a lot of searching incomplete Irish records have come up only with the fact that Curragh was where the Irish army were not the British so i think thats incorrect. I have Mary on the 1881 census living in Aberdare so its a possibilty it took place there.All help with this would be greatly appreciated as i am tearing my hair out over this. ???
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Southern Ireland did not become independent of Britain until the C20th (1922), so there would be no such thing as an Irish army in the C19th only the British Army stationed in Ireland.
You can even buy a book about Curragh from Amazon
A Most Delightful Station: The British Army on the Curragh of Kildare, Ireland, 1855-1922 (Hardcover)
by Con Costello
St Pauls Garrison Church was the main British Army church
http://www.esatclear.ie/~curragh/stpauls.htm
If Henry Croom married in Ireland in front of an army chaplain his marriage will be in the index to the overseas section of the GRO held at the Family Records Centre but accessible at 1837online.
Otherwise if the marriage was in Ireland you would need to check through the Irish civil registration index.
Regards
Valda
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Hello
FREE BMD has a possible Marriage
PONTYPRIDD September Quarter 1885 11a 619
Mary Ann Amos and Henry Croom
Rhys
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Thanks both for your replies. I think the Pontypridd marriage is a possibility as that would be the right area. I checked freebmd myself a few times and came up with nothing !!! How strange!! Thanks though!!!!
I was unable to find out too much about Curragh so thanks for that Valda. I think the info i found must of been more recent and i assumed they had always been there. I know what regiment Henry served in but his battalion never toured Curragh so i dont know why the family would assume they married there.
Thanks both for your help and now i shall get the certificate from Ponty to see if its them ;D ;D ;D
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In fairness on the FreeBMD index Henry's surname is spelt Croome.
Regards
Valda
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Hello
Henry seems to have been a coalminer in 1891.
Rhys
RG12 1941 F 70 P17
Gloucestershire
BITTON
North common
Henry Croome h m 32 coal miner GLOS Bitton
Mary A Croome w m 27 S.Wales .Mountain Ash
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That is interesting as my Aunt claims to have found them in 1891 living in Bristol. She is nearly 90 and she tends to be forgetful but she showed me a copy of a census document with them in Bristol. I assumed that as Henry's regiment was from Bristol that she must be right but this new info from you adds suspicion to her find from Fiche!!!
I will do some detective work on this one!!! Thanks again!!!
;)
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The spelling is consistent with the e in 1901
RG13 5015 folio 127
Back of 17 Bodmingallt? Terrace Ystradyfodwg Glamorgan
Henry Croome 43 Siston, Gloucestershire, Head Married
Mary Ann Croome 37 Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Married
Nora L M Croome 9 Bitton, Gloucestershire, Daughter
Thomas H Croome 8 Bitton, Gloucestershire, Son
William J Croome 4 Ystradyfodwg, Gloucestershire, Son
Mary S Croome 1 Ystradyfodwg, Gloucestershire, Daughter
1861 census RG9 1759 folio 64
Hayes Farm Pool Hill Newent Gloucestershire
William Croom 35 Almondbury, Gloucestershire, Servant Married Farm carter
Elizabeth Croom 33 Downend, Gloucestershire, Servant Married House servant
Henry Croom 2 Siston, Gloucestershire
RG10 2576 folio 62
Pucklechurch Gloucestershire
William Croome 48 Almondbury, Gloucestershire, Lodger Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Croome 45 Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, Lodger Married
Henry Croome 12 Siston, Gloucestershire, Lodger
Elizabeth Croome 2 Pucklechurch, Gloucestershire, Lodger
No Henry in 1881 but William and Elizabeth have a grandson (birth registered Crooms)
RG11 2509 folio 6
Westerleigh, Westerleigh, Gloucestershire
William Croome 56 Almondsbury, Gloucestershire, Head Married Farm labourer
Elizabeth Croome 54 Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, Wife Married
Elizabeth Croome 12 Pucklechurch, Gloucestershire, Daughter
William H. Croome 1 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucestershire, Grandson
Regards
Valda
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Thankyou so much for all that!! It would of taken me weeks!! What date is the 3rd census?
Thankyou again your help is really appreciated!! ;D
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HO107 1841 and 1851 (censuses administered by the Home Office)
RG9 1861 (Register General now administering censuses)
RG10 1871
RG11 1881
RG12 1891
RG13 1901
No Henry Croom* that I can find in Bristol in 1891.
Regards
Valda
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Thankyou! you have been a huge help. My Aunt says to say thanks too as she has spent years researching parts of the family via birth certificates and now she has more to go on. I did my homework on Bitton and it appears that it was once/still is classed as Bristol.
Thanks again!!! ;D
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Even today with the much larger urban sprawl of Bristol, Bitton still looks a totally separate place from Bristol on a modern map.
http://uke.multimap.com/gb/A2567.htm
Regards
Valda
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I think the map i saw was a lot less modern than that and not so detailed. Bitton looks further away than it did when i looked. My Aunt says that she payed forty pound for the 1891 result that she has saying Bristol but she has had it for many years. The address seems to be the same except what you found is a lot more accurate. Hers just says North common bristol. Thankyou again for all you help!! ;D
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This website has the history of Bitton village with some photographs of the village at the beginning of the C20th when it was still pretty rural.
http://weldgen.tripod.com/memories-of-bitton/
http://weldgen.tripod.com/memories-of-bitton/id2.html
Regards
Valda
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Thankyou for the links. My Aunt has had a book published on her life growing up in the Rhondda during the war and her next one recounts her fathers stories so some of the info on the site should help her fill in the gaps and confirm things he spoke about. Thanks again!!!
;D