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On the 1901 census i have found a Llewellyn Thomas married to Mary born 1876 and it says she was born in Cefn. I know that her maiden name would of been Bryant as that is what my Grandfather told me years ago. I cant seem to place her on a previous census but that could be as her family came from Cork. I just wondered if anyone had any idea which Cefn it could be referring to so that i may try and find her family on an earlier census.This is what i found for 1901:
Thomas, Llewellyn head b. Llangynwyd 1871
Mary Wife b. cefn 1876
Ethel Daughter b. Llangynwyd 1900
All opinions would be greatfully received as i have been trying off and on for months to place which cefn it could be as around the Bridgend area there are so many possibilities. ???
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Hi badgirl
It does not exactly help with her birthplace, but it might being you a bit closer ??? if you had her dad's name which would hopefully be on her marriage certificate
Bridgend 1899 Quarter to June marriages
Mary Bryant
Llewellyn Thomas
George Henry Trezise
Mary Ann Walters
'course you'd have to get the certificate to confirm.
Wendi :)
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Thanks for the info. Its baffling as i cant seem to find her on a census other than 1901!!!Thanks again. ;)
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Have you got the reference for the 1901 census so I can have a peek?
Wendi
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i have no reference number as i found it when i first started and i didnt take down a reference. All i know is what i posted in my initial post. ???
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Hi,
This is the reference:
RG13/5042 folio 27 page 5
The address is
4 Oak Terrace,
Lower Llangynwyd
Glamorgan.
Registration District Bridgend
Sub reg district Maesteg
Sorry I can't help more, but don't know the area at all...
Newbie
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Thankyou so much for finding the reference for me!!!! ;D
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On the 1891 Census RG12/4451 Folio 65, Page 26 there is a Mary Bryant aged 15, born Llangewydd living with her family in Ynysawdre, but as I said, you would really need her marriage certificate to confirm her fathers name and occupation, and then see if it ties up with previous census info ???
Hope it helps
Wendi
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Would her father be john on that census as for some reason i seem to remember my Grandfather mentioning a John Bryant but i dont know if he was referring to Mary or not. Thanks for looking for me though.
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No John's bestest thing would be to apply for their cert and take things from there, that way you'll know for sure :D
ABW
Wendi
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I will get a certificate!!! Thanks for looking!!!
Karren
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Hi
I would have thought the Cefn you are looking for is Cefn Cribbwr ,I have Llewelyn Thomas in my tree he had a brother David, his parents were Joseph Thomas 1845 and Catherine David 1848 all were born in Llangynwyd Maesteg Marion :) :)
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Hello,
Are you the marion i contacted via Genes Reunited? I have since found that yes it is cefn cribwr. I have the details under another post. Thanks for replying though as it always helps when someone confirms details!!
Karren
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Hi Karren
I have 3 Karrens that i've been in touch with ,looking at the people that your trying to find are you Karen Morgan?? Marion
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Thats me!! ;)
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Hi Karren
is it possible to have a look for Moses Maddock he was born in Bettws and was baptised in St David's Church in Bettws ?, thanks Marion
is it possible I can see your tree on genes Marion
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I thought the box was ticked!! I will check in a moment but a few people have said that they cant see it so i dont know if its a server problem but i will look now for you and i will pm if i find the baptism
Karren ;)
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Hi Karren
can you look for the marriage of Moses Maddock & Mary Morgan on the 30/5/1835 and see if there's any mention of a mother or father on any side ,or if there was a name of anyone else connected to either of them .Thanks Marion
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Hi there,
i have found the marriage and its the same detail as you gave me but no mention of a father for either as these records dont give that info. I did however find two moses maddocks on the baptism register.
Maddock Moses baptised 28 july 1846 age 2 address kings head maesteg parents are Moses and Mary.
Maddock moses baptised 21 oct 1875 age n/a address kings head maesteg parents are William and Elizabeth.
Also a burial for a moses Maddock: 01 march 1880 address Kings head maesteg age72.
Could not find any more detail than that but there are a lot of Mary Morgans listed from Llangynwyd so if you know a rough date of birth i will look for her as her marriage detail says she is from Llangynwyd.
Karren
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Children of Moses and Mary Maddock, Kings head, maesteg. Moses: Plasterer/Tiler
Ann baptised 22 oct 1848 age 1m
Ann baptised 20 june 1852 age n/a
Jennet baptised 28 july 1846 age 06
John baptised 28 july 1846 age 2m
Jemima Catherine baptised 16 may 1858 age 1m
Mary baptised 28 july 1846 age 02
William baptised 20 Jan 1850 age n/a
Morgan baptised 4 may 1855 age n/a
Morgan baptised 31 Aug 1856 age 25d
Children of Moses and Catherine Maddock, Kings Head, Maesteg. Moses: Tiler
Anne baptised 22 march 1880 age n/a
Jemima Catherine baptised 24 July 1882 age n/a
Mary baptised 31 may 1876
I hope this is of some use to you.
Karren
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Burials of Maddocks all addressed at The Kings Head Maesteg.
Aaron 8 may 1867 age 3m
Ann 7 Nov 1848 age 6w
Mary 18 march 1865 age 54
Morgan 10 september 1855 age 4m
Morgan 11 December 1856 age 4m
Regards
Karren
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Hi Karren
I've got all those ,I'm trying to find out Moses parents and Mary's parents I was hoping that you might have some info ,or a way to find them
Marion
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Karren Mary Morgan was born in Llangwig Swansea ,did'nt read your 1st post ,that there was no names you can get hold of ,I have got your tree but it's under Karren Pinn ,that's why I could'nt find it ,where are you from?I live in the Ogmore Valley ,Nr Bridgend,are you local to Maesteg? marion
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sorry Karren me again ,maybe she is from Llangynwyd???
Marion
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Ah thats my married name. I from Wick but up in Scotland for a while for my Husbands work. The only way really to get the fathers name is through a baptism. If you have a rough date of birth i will have a look for you.
Karren
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Sorry to butt in badgirl, but on Glam marriages and there is a very likely marriage:
John Maddock to Jennet Fisher in Llangynwyd on 3 Dec 1791.
on the 1841 census Moses first daughter is named Jennet. John snr is also on the 1841 (no wife jennet, poss died) another son of same John names a daughter Jennet. This is just a hunch?
Moses marriage has Mary in same parish. on 1841 she is born out of county
Cas
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I think i may have found why Jennet disappeared! She has an illegitimate son Called Aaron whilst living at the Kings head. Mary also has an illegitimate child but a few years later. I have Mary as being from Llangynwyd too! I wonder if she just lived there or was born there. I have a baptism for june 1813 with father as John but i cant guarantee its her.
Getting confused with jennets here! I meant Moses' daughter in case i sounded insane! ;)
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I think that marriage you found is about the best bet there is for parents. Marion said that Moses was baptised in St Davids in Bettws and i have the complete list on its way to me so i can check on that but i think you have found them for him. Only 8 Maddocks males married in Llangynwyd around these dates and no others fit at all with regards to names (Xantippe as a christian name being one!!!l).
Moses' 2 Daughters had the illegitimate children just to clear that up. Too many similar names here for my weary mind.
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Karren
Mary was born in 1811 ,talking about similar names I've got 24 Thomas Thomas's 12 Jenkin Thomas's 13 Elizabeth Thomas's 12 William Thomas's 12 John Thomas's 10 Ann Thomas's ,all were either farmers ,or farmers children that became farmers or married farmers and all had farms within a 10-14 mile radius ,its mind-boggling, the only good thing about it ,they only had to shout someones name and they were guaranteed someone would come running with the same name !!!!! Marion
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I know the feeling when it comes to THOMAS' as thats why i am having so much trouble finding the right ones.
I think the marriage Cas found is a pretty good bet for Moses' parents but when the other records for Bettws arrive i will check the detail for you against his baptism
As for Mary i am at a loss. The only thing i can suggest is to contact the Glamorgan record office who published these records with Glam fhs and see if they have any extra detail from the original. It does say in the book that its only a finding guide and that individual registrations can be purchased.
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Thanks Karren ,I'll try there I'm not holding out much hope for Moses either been trying to find him a long time ,I know he had brothers ,but some of the records are not very plain ,there is an Aaron born in the early 1800's and a Daniel ,they are all bible names are they brothers ??? think so but no proof as of yet ,thanks for helping me ,much appreciated :D :D :DMarion
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There is a daniel baptised 1804 with a father Rees and mother Ann but no age or address for him. Also a Rees with the same parents baptised 1801 address Blaengwynfi.
I will keep looking for you as the records arrive so if i find anything i will let you know.
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