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I have a bit of a name dilemma that i was hoping someone could help me with as i am baffled beyond belief. I posted a request a few days ago and someone very kindly found this for me:
1861 census Bettws
Lynycoed cottage
Rees Griffiths head 44 Blacksmith b. Llandilo parish carmarthenshire
Susanna Wife 42 b. Bettws
William son 15 Blacksmith b. Bettws
Jeremiah son 10 b. bettws
Ann dau 8 b. Bettws
Isaac son 3 b. Bettws
The problem is that on the 1851 disc i have it has Rees married to a Mary and i have been told by a cousin that he was actually married to a Tydfil!!! Can anyone help???
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Hi
Do you have any other information that he can be copmpared against? For example, a later census, etc.
There are many Rees Griffiths living in this area, one of them married to a Mary, however, because the name is so common the results are a little hit and miss.
Do you know where they lived, were born, occupations, etc?
Paul
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i have the details foe 1871 at Bettws the Oddfellows arms but i am afraid Rees is a Widower at this point.
Oddfellows Arms
Rees Griffiths head wdr 61 publican b. Bettws
Elizabeth Griffiths dau 6 b. Bettws
Helen Griffiths Grandau 3 b. Bettws
I know from the family that these details are correct but the 1861 seem wrong except its the only Rees with a William the right age as i have William Griffiths married to Hannah in 1871 living at oddfellows row Bettws. Its puzzling me !!!
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Possibly a good idea to try and get one of the children birth cert from the 1871 census you know is right. That way you will know for sure the mothers name.
Have you tied checking census for 'Griffith' it was very common to be either Griffith/Griffiths as many others
Cas
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Do you have Ancestry? I have found the family in 1861
Rhys 50, collier bettws
wife Mary 53 Llangeiuwe/Langeinwr ? Glam
son William 19? blacksmith, bettws
Elizabeth 14 scholar bettws
same address as 1871 oddfellows public house
All as Griffith on record but image says Griffiths
RG9/4072 Folio 5 Page 6
Bridgend
Cas
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That would be the family!!! The only problem is that i dont have ancestry. I managed to get in touch with my cousin again who claims it was Mary he was married to. So do i disregard the details i was given for 1861 or was it a name mistake with the susanna?Thankyou so much for helping me out with this as it puzzles me how the first details were so accurate and yet not!!!
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Possible?
Marriages Sep 1839
Edmund Mary Bridgend 26 429
Griffith Rees Bridgend &c. 26 429
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Have included details above for family, I would say that with the same address is is without doubt the right match for 1861 but check what you have on 1851/1871 to see all are a good match
Do you have the 1841 for rees , will see if I can locate.
Cas
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1841 - District Bridgend
Piece1422/01 Folio 007 /Sch 038
Address BETTWS VILLAGE
All born in county
REES GRIFFITH 30 (c1811) COLLIER
MARY " 30 (c1811)
EVAN " 1 (c1840)
1841 census - Ages 0-15 are given in exact age. Adult ages rounded down to nearest 5
Cas
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There are 6 possible deaths for son Evan between 1841 - 1851 in Bridgend
1851
HO107/2461 Folio 164 Page 20
Bridgend
Same address - Oddfellows Arms
All Griffith
Rees 42 collier bettws
Mary 44 Laugiuwe/Llangeinwen
William 9 bettws
John 7 "
Elizabeth 3 "
Cas
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Just checked the 1871 for you. All Griffiths all born Bettws
Rees (publican) and William (blacksmith)are living next door to each other in Oddfellows Row and Oddfellows Arms. Elizabeth dau, is aged 23 born c1848 not age 6
Hope this has helped
Cas
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Thats great. Thanks for your help. Its so confusing when you have details that almost match and then you find something else that is possible. The details you found match my 1851 details but i didnt know Mary's maiden name or that there was a son prior to 1851!!! I can now safely disregard the initial find for 1861 and continue with the details you have found. Apparently Rees' mother was Tydfil which is an unusual name that i had not heard before but my cousin had got all confused and said it was his wife which confused matters even more!!
Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Badgirl,
just to throw a spanner in the works!!
Are there 2 Rees Griffiths in your search as I found one living with his mother Tydfil Griffiths at Pen-y-gaun, Llantwit juxta Neath.
Household;
Tydfil Griffiths age 62 formerly woocutters wife
Rees age 32 coal miner
Lewis age 15 Blacksmith
Hannah age 22 Dressmaker
David age 18 coal miner
Charles age 24 Blacksmith.
This is from 1861.
This Tydfil Griffiths died 2nd qtr 1881 age 84 Neath vol 11a page 324.
Could your cousin be mixing up families and you had the right ones?
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1841 Rees parents your cousin was spot on.
District Bridgend Bettws
Piece 1422/01 Folio 006 /Sch 024
All born in county All Griffith except Mary
Address TYNYWAUN
EVAN GRIFFITH 70 (c1771) FARMER
TYDFIL 57 (c1784)
JOHN 25 (c1816)
EVAN 25 (c1816) COLLIER
WILLIAM 20 (c1821) COLLIER
HOPKIN 20 (c1821) COLLIER
GWENLLIAN 15 (c1826)
MARY DAVIES 5 (c1836) GRANDDAUGHTER
Cas
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Heres the marriage
Evan Griffiths married Ditfill Hopkin on 22 Nov 1806 in Pyle/Kenfig Parish - both from this parish
Ditfill was misspelt or mistranscribed for Tydfil I believe. Nothing else fits.
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Evan & Tydfil are still alive in 1851
HO107/2461 Folio 157 Page 7
Bridgend
Address TYNYWAUN Bettws
All born Bettws - Griffiths
Evan 80 farmer 50 acres
Tydfil 67 Pyle
John 36 farmers son
William 33 collier
Elizabeth David grand dau 14
? griffiths grandson 13
Cas
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Thanks emsgirl but the Rees i was looking for had to have a son called William born circa 1843. Thanks for trying though, it appears you hit the same problem as i did!!!
Thanks Cas for the Tydfil info. What an unusual name!! I have not heard that one before!!!!
Many thanks again to all as i would still be searching for marriages that did not exist and tearing my hair out over names that did not match at all!!!
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