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Title: Research in Sussex Part 1
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 01 February 04 23:09 GMT (UK)

Over the past 15 years I have aquired a large amount of books concerning the Local History of Sussex, especially the Hastings and Lewes area's

Included are
1801 Census for Ticehurst
1831 Census for Ticehurst
1821 Chiddingly Census
1821 East Hoathy Census
1821 East Dean Cencus
1821 Hartfield Census
1821 Census for St Mary, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for St Mary, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for St Clement, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for Uckfield, East Sussex
1821 Hailsham Census
1831 Hailsham Census
1831 Census St John Sub Castro, Lewes
1811 Population, Jury List, Voters List 1832 - St Michael, Lewes
1851 Census for East Sussex - 23 volumes of the June Barnes 1851 Census transcription (160,000+ names) for the eastern Part of the county.
1851 Census for Brighton & District on Fiche - Volume 24 of above.
1841 Census for Eastbourne
1861 Census for Eastbourne
1828 Crown Survey of America Ground / Wastelands - (Over 1000 inhabitants)
1836 - 37 Hastings Registered Electors - listing Name, Trade/Profession & Employer.
Robertson Street & George Street Hastings - 1841, 51, 61, 71, 81 & 91 Census
1838 Withyham Inhabitants
1863 Ewhurst Householders

NEW* Pigot's Trade Directory of Sussex 1832-3-4

I have also acquired Volume 1 – 12 of the PBN 1841 Census transcription for Sussex.
Volume Area Covered
1. Arlington, Hailsham, Herstmonceux, Wartling, Hooe, Ninfield
2. Hollington, Bexhill, Catsfield, Crowhurst, Westfield, Sedlescombe, Ewhurst
3. Pett, Guestling, Fairlight, Ore, Hastings all Saints
4. Whatlington, Mountfield, Battle, Brightling, Dallington, Penhurst, Ashburnham
5. Lamberhurst, Frant
6. Burwash, Ticehurst, Etchington
7. Pevensey, Westham, Willingdon, Jevington, Folkington, Willmington, East Dean, Friston, Seaford, West Dean, Litlington, Lullington, Alfriston
8. Wivelsfield, Ditchling, Westmeston, East Chiltington, Streat, Plumpton, Harnsey, Chailey, Newick, Barcombe, Ringmer
9. Hastings St Michael, St Andrews, Holy Rrinity, St Mary in the Castle (Out bounds), St Mary Magdalen, St Leonards on Sea, St Mary – Bulverhythe
10. Hastings St Clements, St Mary in the Castle.
11. East Grinstead,Worth, Crawley, & West Hoathly
12. Rye, East Guldeford, Iden, Broomhill & Playden

Hastings Union Notice of Marriages 1837 - 1865
Hasting Union Notice of Marriages 1865 - 1879
Hastings Baptisms A - J, 1700 - 1877
Hastings Baptisms K - Y, 1700 - 1877
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Burial Register Transcriptions
Hastings, All Saints 1813 - 1853
Hastings, St Clements 1803 - 1856
Hastings, St Mary-in-the-Castle 1828 - 1857
Lewes, St John Sub Castro 1602 - 1993
Lewes, South Malling 1600 - 1998
Lewes, Southover 1671 - 1995
Lewes, All Saints 1602 - 1929

East Sussex Quarter Sessions 1810 - 1854

Baptism Register Transcriptions
Lewes, St John Sub Castro, 1601 - 1999

My personal database of Memorial inscriptions, (Lewes Mi's complete with photographs), now amounts to some 5000+ entries - again, mostly in Lewes or Hastings, together with some Burial & Baptismal Register transcriptions.

Other national records that I possess include:1881 Census transcription
British Isles Vital Records Index - 2nd Edition (IGI)
The Great Universal British Directory of 1799 (first edition - covers the whole Kingdom)
The 1851 Census transcription for Devon, Norfolk & Warwick ONLY
National Burial Index for England & Wales (5 million records)

Numerous records connected with Macclesfield in Cheshire.
Numerous records connected with Nottinghamshire.

I am more than happy to check any of the above records for your ancestors - please contact me through this forum

(http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/attachments/chris1066.jpg)

Happy Ancestor Hunting

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: celiatoo on Thursday 12 February 04 13:35 GMT (UK)

Hello Chris,

If your census details cover petworth i would love a look up please I do know the name and address. Please let me know

Celia

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 12 February 04 14:00 GMT (UK)

Hi Celia

Very Sorry - but my census information for 1851 covers the Eastern part of the County and unfortunately PETWORTH is near Chichester in the Western half of the county of Sussex.

I am sorry

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Sunday 15 February 04 22:39 GMT (UK)

Hello.

I am looking for any information on the following:

George PETERS b. 1812 Bexhill, Sussex who married a Harriet ELRIDGE in 1845 in Westfield, Sussex.

Richard WENHAM b. 1881 Guestling who married a Sarah MARTIN in 1831 Hollington.

Richard BREEDS b. circa 1829 who married a Harriett WILLIS in 1849 in Hastings. Children I'm aware of: Rachel (1850) Richard (1852) John (1853) Sarah (1858) Caroline Mary (1860) Alfred (1877)

Also Richard BREEDS (father of above mentioned) who was born 1800 and married Benedicta in 1825.

Rather alot I know.... any help you can give me would be wonderful.

Karen

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 15 February 04 23:13 GMT (UK)

Hi Karen

I am doing your lookups right now (well, when I have eaten my supper)

Watch this space

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 15 February 04 23:37 GMT (UK)

Hi

Thanks for the private - I eat my supper when the wife gives it to me, bless her - if she does not give me any, then I go without.

Your Query

I am looking for any information on the following:
George PETERS b. 1812 Bexhill, Sussex who married a Harriet ELRIDGE in 1845 in Westfield, Sussex.

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 179/ Page 54 – Lodge, Westfield.
PETERS George, Head, Marr, 37, Ag Lab, born Bexhill.
Harriett, Wife, Marr, 20?, born Bexhill
James, Son, Unm, 2, born Westfield.

Richard WENHAM b. 1881 Guestling who married a Sarah MARTIN in 1831 Hollington.
Think you have the dates a bit mixed up here?

Am still looking for the others

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Sunday 15 February 04 23:43 GMT (UK)

opps

Richard WENHAM was born 1881 Guestling and married 1831 Hollington.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 February 04 00:04 GMT (UK)

Also Richard BREEDS (father of above mentioned) who was born 1800 and married Benedicta in 1825.

HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 172/ Page 72 – Tamarisk Steps, Old Town, Hastings.
BREEDS Richard, Head, Marr, 61, Fisherman, born Hastings
Benedicta, Wife, Marr, 50, Fishermans wife, born Hastings.
Maria B, Dau, Unm, 15, born Hastings
Mary Ann, Dau, Unm, 13, born Hastings
Edward, Son, Unm, 8, born Hastings

“Few fishermen go by their proper names, nicknames are universal. A man may be christened Tom Smith, but few people know who was meant under that name – amongst his comrades he may be known by some queer term as Tipper, Toller, Wintry, Podger, etc.

Breede Fishermen were known by the nicknames:
Tiny. Bones, Cockem, Old Beardy, Old Towse and Bobey Rucks.

“Historic Hastings” by John Manwaring Baines

Breeds Place in Hastings was completed in 1828 by James Landsdell, who married Martha Breeds, a member of an old Hastings Family. First inhabitant of Breeds place was ‘The Duchess of Marlborough’

Still looking for the others

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

PS - Richard Wenham could not be born 50 years after he was married ???????

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Monday 16 February 04 00:09 GMT (UK)

1811......not 1881 can't believe I typed the same error again before...

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 February 04 00:34 GMT (UK)

Hi Twink

Richard BREEDS b. circa 1829 who married a Harriett WILLIS in 1849 in Hastings. Children I'm aware of:
Rachel (1850) Richard (1852) John (1853) Sarah (1858) Caroline Mary (1860) Alfred (1877)

HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 307/ Page 81 - Behind 3 Winding Street, Old Town, Hastings
BREEDS Harriett, Wife, Marr, 21, Fishermans Wife, born Hastings
Rachael, Dau, Unm, 1, born Hastings.

Richard must have been out fishing on the night of the census. -

Richard WENHAM b. 1811 Guestling who married a Sarah MARTIN in 1831 Hollington.

HO 107/ 1635/ Folio 337/ Page 72 – 5 Gardeners Row, Lennox Street, Hastings.
WENHAM Richard, Head, Marr, 40, Ag Lab, born Guestling
Sarah, Wife, Marr, 39, born Kent – place unknown
Richard, Son, Unm, 16, Ag Lab, born Hastings
Sarah, Dau, Unm, 11, born Hastings
Eliza, Dau, Unm, 9, born Hastings
Charlotte, Dau, Unm, 7, born Hastings
Thomas, Son, Unm, 5, born Hastings
Ann M, Dau, Unm, 2, born Hastings
James, Son, Unm, 3months, born Hastings

I think that completes your list

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Monday 16 February 04 00:43 GMT (UK)

:) Many thanks for your quick responses

;) I'll see if I have any more sussex ancestors for you another time

Karen

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Monday 16 February 04 19:35 GMT (UK)

Not sure if your census area covers Balcombe?

William BREDEN b. 1814 Balcombe m. Francis
Thomas BREDEN b. 1817
Henry BREDEN b. 1821
Joseph BREDEN b. 1833 Balcombe
Thomas BREDEN b. 1834

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 February 04 21:49 GMT (UK)

Hi Twink

Yes, Balcombe is in East Sussex - not far from Ardingly and Crawley

Will be looking for your ancestors as soon as I have caught up with todays e-mails

Watch this space

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex - BREDEN
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 16 February 04 22:21 GMT (UK)

Hi Twink

There are two families in the locality

HO107/ 1642/ Folio 140/ Page 63 - Rocks, Balcombe

BREDEN William, Head, Marr, 36?, Ag Lab, born Balcombe
Frances, Wife, Marr, 33, born Balcombe
David, Son, Unm, 11, Scholar, born Balcombe
Jeremiah, Son, Unm, 9, Scholar, born Balcombe
Eliza, Dau, Unm, 7, born Balcombe
Mary, Dau, Unm, 5, born Balcombe
Frances, Dau, Unm, 3, born Balcombe
William, Son, Unm, 1, born Balcomb

HO107/ 1642/ Folio 154/ Page 45 - Balcombe Lane, Balcombe.

BREDEN Sarah, Head, Wid, 58, Pauper, born Ardingly, Sussex
Sarah, Dau, Unm, 25, Servant, born Balcombe
Joseph, Son, Unm, 17, Farm Lab, born Balcombe
Mary, GRD, Unm, 11mth, Sarah's Daughter, born Brighton

Hope the above is agreeable with you

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Monday 16 February 04 22:32 GMT (UK)

Many thanks, very agreeable to me.

Karen

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 18 February 04 14:58 GMT (UK)

Hi there Twink

Looking in the early Census returns for St Mary & St Clements, Hastings we have the following:

1821 Census - taken on 28th May 1821
John Breeds, Fisherman, 1 Family of 5 males & 1 Female.
Mark Breeds, Merchant, 1 Family of 1 male & 4 Females

1831 Census - Taken on 30th May 1831
Mr Breeds, Merchant, 1 Family of 2 males & 3 females
James Breeds, -, 1 Family of 2 males & 5 females - (High Street)
Thomas Breeds, -, 1 Family of 3 males & 5 females. (High Street)

Some of them could possibly connect at some point

Handy to have them filed away

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 18 February 04 15:25 GMT (UK)

Hi again Twink

"Richard WENHAM b. 1811 Guestling who married a Sarah MARTIN in 1831 "Hollington."

Whilst there are several Wenham & Whenham families in Hastings on the earlier census returns, there are also 2 Martin Families - I don't know if you have Sara Martins Father and/or his occupation ?

1831 Census, St Clements, Hastings
Michael Martin, Shoemaker, 3 Families totalling 4 males & 2 Females (High Street)
William Martin, -, 1 Family of 3 males & 2 females.

During the period 1820 - 1850 ish, 'Church in the Wood' at Hollington was the preferred church for marriages for Hastings couples.

Another bit of information to print off and file away

Chris in 1066Land (Hastings)

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Wednesday 18 February 04 16:44 GMT (UK)

Many thanks for the additional information.. I'm abit short of time right now but as soon as I get a chance I will definately look and see if I can find the families on the trees that I have.
I don't as yet no Sarah Martins fathers details, but I will keep your information for future reference.

Karen

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: John Bell on Tuesday 24 February 04 07:23 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris,

I have a starting & end point for one of my Wallis family but can not find him in between. He was one of 11 from John & Ann (Austen) Wallis, m 1799, from Lamberhurst/Ticehurst.

1.Thomas Wallis Ch 1799 Lamberhurst. Died 1872 Ticehurst Workhouse, no info from death cert.

I have checked the 1801, 31, 41, 51 Census for Tice/Lamberhurst without luck so for him so he obviously worked out of the Parish but likely not to far away...unless he was in the army perhaps.

Would it be possible to check the surrounding Parish's for him in 1851 other than Vol 11, 12 & 13 of the C. J. Barnes copilation.

Regards,
John

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 11:49 GMT (UK)

Hi John

Not good news I am afraid.

I have checked all 23 volumes of the June Barnes 1851 Census transcription without success for you Thomas Wallis aged about 51/52.

There were only 3 Thomas Wallis's aged 18, 63 and 64 - so obviously to young and to old.

I do not hve volume 24 which is on fiche and covers:
Vol 24 - Brighton area (Hove, Preston, Patcham, West Blatchington, Hangleton, Portslade, Aldrington, Southwick, Old Shoreham) by Eastbourne Family Roots – 2 Fiche £3.80.

Sorry I can not help

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: John Bell on Tuesday 24 February 04 12:02 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your time, much appreciated. I am surprised that Thomas Wallis only turned up three times, at least that gives me some hope knowing the name is not all that common.
Regards,
John

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Michelle on Tuesday 24 February 04 12:02 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris,
I was hoping you could look up Edward Henty born in 1831 in Piddinghoe. He was either in Piddinghoe or Newhaven in 1851. His father was Philip, mother Elizabeth.
Thanks
Michelle.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 12:31 GMT (UK)

Hi there Michelle

According to the Junes Barnes 1851 Census transcription; the information you want is as follows:

HO107/ 1643/ Folio 746/ Page 88 – Newhaven.

HENTY Phillip, Head, Marr, 39, Ag Lab, born Chalvington, Sussex ?
Elizabeth, Wi, Marr, 50, Piddinghoe, Sussex.
Edward, Son, Unm, 20, Ag Lab, born Piddinghoe.
Phillip, Son, Unm, 17, born Piddinghoe.
Wiliam, Son, Unm, Shipwrights Appr, born Piddinghoe

Have not got an exact address, Folio 743 and 744 are Blue Anchor, 745 is Ship Inn, but all we have for 746 is Newhaven Village.

Hope that aids your research

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Michelle on Tuesday 24 February 04 13:50 GMT (UK)

Hi again Chris,
Thank you so much. I had found a birth of a Philip Henty in Chalvington in 1801 and didn't know if he was the one I was looking for. Now I know he is the right one, I can go back even further with the Henty's.
Michelle.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 14:42 GMT (UK)

Michelle

Hey, Hang on a moment

"I had found a birth of a Philip Henty in Chalvington in 1801 and didn't know if he was the one I was looking for. Now I know he is the right one, I can go back even further with the Henty's."

If Phillip was born / baptized in 1801 - then by the time of the 1851 census he would have been 49 or 50 depending on which side of the census date his birthday fell.

The Phillip Henty (as transcribed in the 1851) was only 39

Do you have any other info to substantiate it being your Phillip

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Michelle on Tuesday 24 February 04 16:38 GMT (UK)

Chris,
Sorry, maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit. Could you please tell me why you have put a question mark next to the age for Phillip Henty senior? I know that sometimes ages, even names are put in wrong on certain records - I have come accross this myself a few times already. Perhaps I assumed too much when I first read your earlier reply, but now I have had a look at the other details, they do lead me to believe that I have the correct birth for this Phillip Henty.
Michelle.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 16:45 GMT (UK)

Michelle

First of all, there was no question mark on the 1851 census transcription, I put it in, (possibly in the wrong place) for three reasons.

1. He is 39, when he should be 49 ?
2. a 39 year old with a wife of 50 ?
3. Has a son of 20 - making him a very early father

Was just asking if you had any further proof that this was definitely your Phillip by tieing his age up with other archive material.

Didnt want to alarm you at all

Chris in 1066Land

PS. - I have now moved the question mark to the correct place.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 17:30 GMT (UK)

John

Just a thought:

Quote from: John Bell on Tuesday 24 February 04 07:23 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris,

I have a starting & end point for one of my Wallis family but can not find him in between. He was one of 11 from John & Ann (Austen) Wallis, m 1799, from Lamberhurst/Ticehurst.

1.Thomas Wallis Ch 1799 Lamberhurst. Died 1872 Ticehurst Workhouse, no info from death cert.

I have checked the 1801, 31, 41, 51 Census for Tice/Lamberhurst without luck so for him so he obviously worked out of the Parish but likely not to far away...unless he was in the army perhaps.

Would it be possible to check the surrounding Parish's for him in 1851 other than Vol 11, 12 & 13 of the C. J. Barnes copilation.

Regards,
John

Looking at the maps of East Sussex & Kent - both Ticehurst and Lamberhurst are on the borders - should we be looking in Kent rather than Sussex for your Thomas Wallis.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Judges Postcards
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 24 February 04 18:55 GMT (UK)

Fred Judge started producing local postcards in Hastings in 1904 and became one of the most famous of all the postcard photographers. A photograph taken in 1904 of “Lightning on Hastings Pier” became an instant best-seller with some 25,000 of the cards bought within the year. He died in 1950 at 78 years of age but the firm that he founded still survives.

I have a copy of a catalogue:
"The Topographical Guide to Judges Postcards 1906 - 1955", compiled by Ron Grosvenor, Nov 1987, that lists some 26000 pictures broken down into County by County.

Postcard are an excellent source of Local and Family History, and help to put 'Flesh on the Bones' of our Ancestors.

Judges Postcards Study Group
To join the growing band of Collectors who are researching and exchanging Judges Postcard Information, contact
Ron Grosvenor, 9 Brackley Road, Towcester, Northants. NN12 7DH

I will search the catalogue if required

Chris in 1066Land

The picture is of an early shop here in Hastings.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Wednesday 25 February 04 10:49 GMT (UK)

1851 Census Hastings, Sussex. Probably St Clements.

John WILLIS Fisherman

:-\ Rather vague I know... He was born before 1815. He was married but I don't know her name.

Thanks

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 25 February 04 11:03 GMT (UK)

Hi twink

Am on the case

Watch this space

Chris in Hastings

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 25 February 04 11:16 GMT (UK)

Hi twink

As regards your enquiry:

"1851 Census Hastings, Sussex. Probably St Clements.

John WILLIS Fisherman"

HO107/ 1635/ Folio 307/ Page 79 - 3 Winding Street, Hastings. (All Saints)

WILLIS John, Head, Marr, 43, Fisherman, born Hastings
Sarah, Wife, Marr, 42, born Hastings
John, Son, Unm, 13, born Hastings
Elizabeth, Dau, Unm, 10, In Service, born Hastings
Thomas, Son, Unm, 7, Scholar, born Hastings
Mary, Dau, Unm, 5, Scholar, born Hastings
Caroline, Dau, Unm, 3, born Hastings.
Louisa, Dau, Unm, 1, born Hastings

Hope it fits in with your expectations

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Wednesday 25 February 04 17:22 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris

Looks good to me, gives me a something to work on.
I know that in total there is reputed to have been 23 children from their marriage!

Karen

Title: East Sussex Record Office - Lewes
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 03 March 04 15:00 GMT (UK)

Hi there

I will be in the East Sussex Record Office on Thursday 11th March with a group of students instructing them how to use / search the Archives, etc.

I will have some limited time to do other research, providing it is not to difficult to find the correct records.
Parish Registers - i.e. Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths will be the easiest and quickiest as they are all in transcribed books at one end of the Archives.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: john whitelock on Sunday 07 March 04 20:50 GMT (UK)

Hi

Researching the SPICE family of Old Town, Hastings. Know they were in Winding Lane (St. Clements) in 1841. Are they in your 1831 census information.

A William SPICE was made a Freeman in 1831 (from newspaper originals in Hastings library). Any further information gratefully received.

John L Whitelock

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 07 March 04 22:51 GMT (UK)

Hi there John

Researching the SPICE family of Old Town, Hastings. Know they were in Winding Lane (St. Clements) in 1841. Are they in your 1831 census information.
A William SPICE was made a Freeman in 1831 (from newspaper originals in Hastings library). Any further information gratefully received.

Have looked at the 1831 Census for St Clements, Hastings for your William Spice in Winding Street and he is not there
But …
A William Spice, Fisherman is listed in the next street - John Street:

William Spice, Fisherman, 6 males, 9 Females, 2 Families.

In the ‘Hastings Registered Electors 1836-7’ we also have:

Bourne Street, Parish of All Saints
Spice William, Fisherman.
and
John Street, Parish of St Clement
Spice William, Fisherman

So, please be carefull, there are two of them!!!.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 07 March 04 23:47 GMT (UK)

Hi again John

Have also found the following in my own personal database of Memorial Transcriptions:

Memorial Inscription - All Saints Church, Hastings

Memorial 489:
Sacred to the memory of Rachel, the wife of William Spice who died 22nd of December 1847 aged 57 years. Also near this spot lies John Spice son of the above who died 9th July 1833 aged 9 years.

According to the 1851 census transcription it looks as though Rachel was the widow of William Spice aged 67 of 11 John Street, Hastings – he is the only Spice shown as a widower.

The only other Spice Family shown in the whole of Hastings are at No 1 Winding Street and consists of Mum Sarah 42, with Elizabeth 17, William 15, John & Stephen 13, Mary A 9, Rachel 7, Thomas W 5 and Frederick 3..
Looks like dad was out fishing.

Hope that was of some help to you

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: john whitelock on Wednesday 10 March 04 18:26 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris - thanks for speedy reply

My research shows the 2 Williams you mentioned are probably father and son (it is the father who was living at John Street in 1841 and probably the one who was there in 1831. It is possible that William the son was living with his parents and his new wife (married 1829) - I'll do a bit of counting of the persons I know about.

I did know about the 1851 info and by a bit of luck found and photographed the tombstone in All Saints before I knew of the MI transcriptions available. I can to the same conclusion about dad in 1851

The registered elector information is very useful thanks alot.

Another query I have about the family is the 2 boats that they "captained" - the 'success' (c 1823) and the 'four brothers' (c 1843) [NB not "three" brothers] - have asked at fisherman's museum but no info yet.

Very many thanks

John

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: jard on Sunday 14 March 04 19:48 GMT (UK)

Hello again Chris
A question regarding research, if you don't mind.
I am a Kent resident, so pretty local. In a couple of months time,I had intended to drive down to Eastbourne to do a bit of local research on my Ticehurst strain, in the local library.
While I'm down there, I would be interested to view some of your collection. Do you take in lost souls for a tour or is yours a private collection ?
Regards
John

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 14 March 04 21:12 GMT (UK)

Hi John

I have an ever open door to anyone who wants to learn about genealogy or do some research.

By all means, please drop in, you are always welcome; plus you get a cup of tea or coffee put in your hand as you cross the threshold (we northerners are like that - I was born in Nottinghamshire) and a sticky bun or two.

I wouldn't say I have a collection - more like a Library of assorted Genealogical publications, plus lots on Hastings (where I live) and Macclesfield (main area of research) plus other books on Sussex. - but you are welcome to browse.

Just give me plenty of notice - gives me time to put the hoover round and dust or I might be able get other half to do it first.

You are welcome anytime

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Wednesday 17 March 04 21:10 GMT (UK)

Chris,
I would like to request a lookup on the 1891 Sussex Census, please, for the Adams family in Lewes:
ADAMS, Charles, Martha, Albert and William.
Unfortunately, I have no birth dates for any of them, just 'abouts', and Charles was born about 1853 in Bucks.
With thanks, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 17 March 04 21:52 GMT (UK)

Hi Meh

I am on my way to look for you

Watch this space

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 17 March 04 22:27 GMT (UK)

Hi there Meg

Chris,
I would like to request a lookup on the 1891 Sussex Census, please, for the Adams family in Lewes:
ADAMS, Charles, Martha, Albert and William.
Unfortunately, I have no birth dates for any of them, just 'abouts', and Charles was born about 1853 in Bucks.
With thanks, meg

1891 census on line came up with 89 people called ADAMS associated with Lewes. (born or living there)
First name on list was an Albert aged 14 born in Bucks; so had to have a look at the rest of his family

RG12/ 797/ Folio 85/ Page 13 – 7 Lancaster Street, St John Sub Castro, Lewes.

ADAMS Martha, Head, Marr, 42, Retailer of Sweets, born Dunton, Bucks
Albert G, Son, Unm, 14, House Boy, Mursley, Bucks
William, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, born Lewes, Sussex
Elizabeth M, Dau, Unm, 6, Scholar, born Lewes

The big question now is where was Charles as Martha is shown as Married, not as a widow - and after re-checking the census, we find that there is not one Charles Adams listed anywhere in the country in 1891.

But if you watch this message board - I have a big surprise for you.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 17 March 04 23:09 GMT (UK)

Hi again Meg

Since 2001, I have been working in the Churchyards of Lewes.

Some considerable time was spent transcribing the Burial Registers from 1600 to 1983 and two of those entries are of interest to you:

10th June 1933 – Martha ADAMS of 14 West Street, Lewes, aged 84 years.
20th Feb 1941 – Charles ADAMS of 14 West Street, Lewes, aged 88 years.

Over 2 years were spent in the yard of St John Sub Castro (Sub Castro means 'under the Castle') firstly surveying the yards 800+ stones, then transcribing and photographing the memorials, finally entering it all into a Memorial Database.

Would you believe that one of those stones is to Charles & Martha Adams as follows:

Memorial Number 173

In loving Memory of
MARTHA
Beloved Wife of Charles Adams
Who Joyfully entered into Rest
June 7th 1933 Aged 84
“Redeemed with the precious blood of Christ”

Also of
Charles Adams
Died February 17th 1941
Aged 88 years
“By Grace are ye saved through Christ”

Footstone:
MA 1933
CA 1941

A photo of the monument is shown below

Hope you like all of that and it now fits nicely into your family tree

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Thursday 18 March 04 15:39 GMT (UK)

Chris, My goodness! You have overwhelmed me with the generousity of your information! Thank you very much. More information than I could have hoped for. A daughter I didn't know about, a photo of a tombstone, and a bit of intrigue re: Charles's whereabouts in 1891.
I'm glued to this space.....
meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: jard on Thursday 18 March 04 20:12 GMT (UK)

Hi Chris
I've exhausted all avenues that I know of, regarding a record of a birth. The birth year and town are recorded on later census', but nothing is found when researching the birth year on the internet.
The year is 1842 and the place Eastbourne, and it's my own personal 'brick wall' Thomas Ticehurst. Surely a birth would be registered somewhere, although I understand there was no legal requirement to do so at that time.
Where else would I need to look ?

Do you have an address of a relevant records office covering the town, which may have a birth or christening record. ?
Regards
John

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Saturday 27 March 04 17:07 GMT (UK)

Chris, Would like to request a birth/baptismal lookup in Lewes for the following two. Searches through the IGI and freeBMD have not been successful. I realize in your intro that you did say 'some' records, so here's hoping these two are there!
William b.c1881, and Elizabeth Adams b.c1885, parents Charles and Martha Adams.
with thanks, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Saturday 27 March 04 17:31 GMT (UK)

Hi there meh

Do not have access to any Birth Records here at home - but I did transcribe the Baptism Registers at St John Sub Castro as well as the burial Registers with the following results:

1878 Apr   26, Adams Flora, f, dau of Bevness Caroline, Chichester, Gentleman
1881 Apr 3, Adams William, m, son of Charles Martha, OTP, Labourer Railway
1884 Jul 6, Adams Elizabeth Mary, f, dau of Charles Martha, John Street, Booksellers Agent
1903 Oct   25, Adams Grace Martha, f, William Frances Elizabeth, 56 Craigerne Rd, Blackheath, Bombardier R.A.
1908 May   17, Adams William Cecil, m, William Frances Elizabeth, 14 West St, Sergeant Royal Artillery

Most baptisms were performed within 1 month of birth.

Once again, years of hard work toiling over parish registers has been rewarding

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Saturday 27 March 04 18:42 GMT (UK)

Chris, I am indeed a lucky recipient of your years of hard work and am very thankful. I am far flung from any family history or library centres so am truly grateful for your kind generousity in sharing the fruits of your labour!
This Adams lot are mine, with the exception of Flora, and now off to fill in the details on the family tree! Thanks again, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 28 March 04 23:58 BST (UK)

Hi Meg

Glad to be able to help you.

I have only just realized that the address given in the burial registers for Martha & Charles at the time of their deaths is also the same for your bombadier William in the RA at the time of christening of William Cecil.

Am in Lewes tomorrow, If I have time I will locate 14 West Street and 7 Lancaster Street and take some piccy's to e-mail to you

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Monday 29 March 04 16:23 BST (UK)

Chris, Thank you very much for your kind offer. meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 March 04 23:04 BST (UK)

Meg

Number 7 Lancaster Street, Lewes.

As you can see, it still bears the marks/scars of an 'Odle World Sweet Shop' with its bay shop window.
Lancaster Street runs alongside southern perimiter of the Graveyard of St John Sub Castro - you can almost go out of the back garden of No 7 into the Churchyard.

Hope you like

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 29 March 04 23:17 BST (UK)

Hi again meg

Number 14 West Street, Lewes

Most of the houses on the even numbered side of the street have been demolished and the land used as a car-park.
The first building 'The Needle Factory' still stands (converted into small shop and business units) and then the next building is number 14 west Street.

Its a grand 3 storey house with unusually only one central window on each floor - plus you can see where No 12 butted on to the side of No 14.

The front of the building is covered in what are called 'Mathmatical Tiles'

Hope the picture gives you pleasure

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Tuesday 30 March 04 18:19 BST (UK)

Chris, I am absolutely thrilled with these pictures. How wonderful to have the opportunity to get a visual representation of an address!
Thank you so much for your thoughtful generousity in providing all the information you do.
With sincere appreciation, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 30 March 04 18:35 BST (UK)

Hi meg

To save the pictures to your hard drive - right mouse click on the picture; choose 'save as' from the box and then stipulate where you want to save them to.

I have 4 or 5 of each house, taken from different angles - if you would like copies of them - send me your e-mail via private message and I will send them to you

Glad you like them

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Breeds in Hastings
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 30 March 04 22:10 BST (UK)

Hi Twink

Pulled this from the 1841 Census on CD - (Transcription)

1841 Census – Woods Row, Hastings All Saints.

BREEDS Richard, 49, Fisherman, born in Sussex
Benedecta, 40, born in Sussex
Rachel, 15, born in Sussex
Richard, 12, born in Sussex
Maria, 5, born in Sussex
Mary, 3, born in Sussex

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: twink on Wednesday 31 March 04 17:59 BST (UK)

Many thanks Chris. One step ahead of me.... Twink

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: garry edgar on Thursday 01 April 04 04:49 BST (UK)

Hi Chris, I was wondering if you could please do a couple more lookups(partic on the 1871 census)

1. William George Houghton married to a Amelia(nee Muckle), probably in London in 1871 if alive.

2. David Hughes Somerville b 1840 Ireland, but living Middlesex in 1871. Married to Ann.

3. George(a butcher) and Amelia Eyres(Ayers). They would have been in their 70's if alive in 1871.

4. Robert McDonald and Margaret Ann (Turnbull)were living Berwick on Tweed in 1871.

5. William Turnbull and Jane(Robertson), parents of Margaret and poss still alive in B on T 1871.

Thanks again in advance

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 01 April 04 10:27 BST (UK)

Hi Garry

Hi Chris, I was wondering if you could please do a couple more lookups(partic on the 1871 census)

1. William George Houghton married to a Amelia(nee Muckle), probably in London in 1871 if alive.

On the 1871 census on line there were:
104 William Houghtons listed, 50 of them associated with London, only 1 William G Houghton – but he is aged 3 years.
5 Amelia Houghtons listed all under 14 years of age.

2. David Hughes Somerville b 1840 Ireland, but living Middlesex in 1871. Married to Ann.

RG10/ 1330/ Folio 119/ Page 28 – Golders Green, Hendon, Middlesex

SOMERVILLE David H, Head, Marr, 30, Post Office Clerk, born Killkenny, Ireland
Ann E, Wife, Marr, 28, born Carlow, Ireland
Isabella, Dau, Unm, 7, born Carlow, Ireland
George Gerald, Son, Unm, 4, Carlow, Ireland
Henrietta, Dau, Unm, 2, born Camden Town, Middlesex
Arthur I, Son, Unm, 3, born Islington, Middlesex
+ a 16year old domestic servant.

3. George(a butcher) and Amelia Eyres(Ayers). They would have been in their 70's if alive in 1871.

1871 census on line produced :
George Eyres in his 70’s – zilch
George Ayers in his 70’s - 1 match, aged 70 in Newington, London with his daughter Mary A Baras (45) and his granddaughter Mary Baras (12)
Amelia Eyres / Ayers – only 1 match aged 76, but married to a William aged 74

4. Robert McDonald and Margaret Ann (Turnbull)were living Berwick on Tweed in 1871.

Do not have access to this as yet.

5. William Turnbull and Jane(Robertson), parents of Margaret and poss still alive in B on T 1871.

Do not have access to this at present.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Eames on Friday 02 April 04 19:35 BST (UK)

Hi Chris,

Wondering if you could find any info of George Tilt FIELD and wife Matilda... I've found them on 1881 & 1891 Census and Him with 2nd wife, Minnie in 1901 Census.
George Tilt was born in Bidborough (sic?) Kent abt 1850
Matilda FIELD nee MEWETT born in Willingdon, Sussex abt 1850
(Matilda died in 1892 in Eastbourne)
They lived at 25 Leslie Street, Eastbourne in 1891 census
122 Seaside, Eastbourne in 1881 Census

George remarried to Minnie Louisa Bourn(e) b. Balcombe 1871 in 1894, Eastbourne, they too lived at 25 Leslie Street.

I'd be appreciated if you could find ANY info on anyone..

Thanks in advance,

Tracy

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 02 April 04 20:18 BST (UK)

Hi Tracy

Wondering if you could find any info of George Tilt FIELD and wife Matilda... I've found them on 1881 & 1891 Census and Him with 2nd wife, Minnie in 1901 Census.
George Tilt was born in Bidborough (sic?) Kent abt 1850
Matilda FIELD nee MEWETT born in Willingdon, Sussex abt 1850
(Matilda died in 1892 in Eastbourne)
They lived at 25 Leslie Street, Eastbourne in 1891 census
122 Seaside, Eastbourne in 1881 Census
George remarried to Minnie Louisa Bourn(e) b. Balcombe 1871 in 1894, Eastbourne, they too lived at 25 Leslie Street.
I'd be appreciated if you could find ANY info on anyone..

It looks as though the MEWETT surname was very poplar in the Willingdon / Eastbourne Area as there are over 40 of them in the 1851 census and looking back at the 1841 there are over 30 of them there as well.

How certain are you about Matilda’s birth date as there is a 4 year old Matilda MEWETT in Willingdon in 1851, daughter of Moses and Maria, although I can not spot Moses who would have been about 20 in the 1841 census.

Will give you more details if you think they are relevant.

As regards the other names you mentioned – afraid I do not have any data on any of them as yet.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Eames on Friday 02 April 04 20:31 BST (UK)

Hi Chris,

Well on the 1891 Census there's Matilda Field nee Mewett aged 41 so I presumed that she was born in the 1850s and she died in 1892 aged 43

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Daisy Dee on Sunday 04 April 04 11:33 BST (UK)

Hi Chris and fellow family historians.

I've been fortunate to be able to follow my maiden name PLAYFORD back to 1690.
SEDLESCOMBE was our home for a good few generations . I do have holes in places, mainly on twigs . Also a big branch of the family in the 1830's were from BECKLEY and sailed off to the land of OZ.

I wondered Chris if it would be poss to trace the steps of JAMES PLAYFORD ( my 3 x grt grandpa) born 12 Dec 1813 SEDLESCOMBE married 18 Feb 1838 a Ann BALLARD they had 7 children. Henry 1839, Jabez 1846, Thomas 1852 ( my 2 x grt Grandpa) , George 1853 , James 1854, Albert 1856, John 1860.

I have noted some large gaps in years between them and can only guess a few children may have died along the way.

Any help would be grately appreciated. Many thanks.
Much Happiness

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 04 April 04 12:02 BST (UK)

Hi there

Here is the Playford Information from the 1851 Census Transcription

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 206/ Page 43 – Popping Hole Lane, Sedlescombe

PLAYFORD James, Head, Marr, 36, Ag Lab,, born Sedlescombe
Ann, Wife, Marr, 37, born Westfield
Robert, Son, Unm, 13, born Sedlescombe
Henry, Son, Unm, 11, born Sedlescombe
Jane, Dau, Unm, 8, born Sedlescombe
Jabez, Son, Unm, 5, born Sedlescombe
William, Son, Unm, 3, born Sedlescombe
George, Brother, Unm, 41, Ag Lab, born Wartling

Altogether there are 22 Playford entries in or around Sedlescombe

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 04 April 04 12:31 BST (UK)

Here is the info from the 1841 Census transcriptions on CD

1841 Census – Swalesgreen, Sedlescombe

PLAYFORD James, 27, Ag Lab, born in Susex
Ann, 27, born Sussex
Robert, 3, born Sussex
Henry, 8months, born Sussex

1841 Census - Austford Farm, Sedlescombe

PLAYFORD Thomas, 30, Ag Lab, born Sussex
Elizabeth, 30, born Sussex
Edwin, 11, born Sussex
Thomas, 7, born Sussex
Caleb, 11months, born Sussex
Spencer, 15, Ag Lab, born Sussex

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Daisy Dee on Sunday 04 April 04 13:41 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

Thank you very much indeed for your trouble and time on a Sunday.

1851 interesting find is a brother called GEORGE . As James was 1 of 8 children born to William PLAYFORD and Elizabeth RIDLEY and I didn't have a George - So you have given me something new to re search :) Where is WARTON?

1841 Thomas PLAYFORD - james did have a bros called thus, however he married a Hannah Auton SHERWOOD. This family sailed off to OZ. Again some more research - thank you again .

If it's not a cheek and too much trouble I'd be interested in the other families of PLAYFORD in Sedlescombe please.

Very kind of you
Much happiness

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 04 April 04 14:17 BST (UK)

Hi Daisey Dee

Wartling (not Warton) is between Hooe and Hurstmonceux in Sussex.
In 1851 it had a population of 1,011 people in 175 households, but not one of them contained a Playford.
In 1986 that population had dropped to just 450 people.

HO 107/ 1636/ Folio223/ Page 56 - Snaggs Hill, Ewhurst

PLAYFORD James, Head, Marr, 36, Ag Lab, born Northiam
Harriet, Wife, Marr, 36, born Ewhurst
Harrirt, Dau, Unm, 14, born Ewhurst
John, Son, Unm, 12, born Sedlescomb
Albert, Son, Unm, 6, Scholar, born Ewhurst
William, Son, Unm, 6, Scholar, born Ewhurst
Mary Ann, Dau, Unm, 4, born Ewhurst
George, Son, Unm, 1, born Ewhurst

HO 107/ 1636/ Folio 252/ Page 29 - Cripps Corner, Sussex

PLAYFORD James, Head, Marr, 37, Gardener, born Beckley, Sussex
Jane, Wife, Marr, 34, born Battle, Sussex
Silvester, Son, Unm, 2, born Battle

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 206/ Page 40 - Near Footland, Sedlescomb (not far from Poppinghole lane)

PLAYFORD Spencer, Head, Marr, 32, Ag Lab, born Sedlescomb
Mary Jane, Wife, Marr, 26, born Northiam
Spencer, Son, Unm, 1, born Sedlescombe

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Daisy Dee on Sunday 04 April 04 15:14 BST (UK)

Thank you

I can see your going to be a chap I'll have to get to know, your help will be invaluable. My family roots are very firmly fixed in sussex my grandfather was the last of my PLAYFORD line born in Sedlescombe in 1914. He joined the police force and in 1937 was posted to Hornsey N8.

I'm told on my grandmothers side her ancestors GLAZE came from France with William the Conqueror in 1066 and that the knights roll include their name then spelt GLAISE. Although i do have documents from the Saxon Chronicles recording the name as far back as 400 ad, but that will be a research when Im a tad older LOL!!

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: moon on Monday 05 April 04 16:44 BST (UK)

all mine are in Hastings/St Leonard's (Moon, Baker, Wall, and Cripps), looking for John Cripps policeman in Hastings and area 1870-80 about, how would i obtain his records as being a policeman please, thank you
Jennifer in Ontario, Canada

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Ruth on Friday 09 April 04 09:13 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

What a very generous offer! I'd love to bombard you with requests but I'll restrain myself...

I'm interested in all LANSDELLs in Sussex - could you perhaps let me have entries from your Monumental Inscription database, if there are any?

Many thanks

Ruth

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 09 April 04 20:01 BST (UK)

Hi Ruth

"I'm interested in all LANSDELLs in Sussex - could you perhaps let me have entries from your Monumental Inscription database, if there are any?"

Sorry, Ruth

There are NO Landsells in my Database of Monumental Inscriptions

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Alord on Sunday 11 April 04 11:08 BST (UK)

Millers in Westham

Dear Chris

I see you also have a census transcription for East Sussex for 1851. If Westham is included, could you look up the same miller households again that you very kindly found for me in the 1841.

They are:

Westham Street: Richard Miller, Henry, Sarah (not hopeful that Richard would still be alive!!)
Hancomb/Hankham Street: household including Charles, Caroline, Alfred and George Miller
Hankham Street: household headed by Edward and Sophia Miller.

If there are any other Millers in Westham, please advise also.

Thanks so much for helping out.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 11:58 BST (UK)

Hi Alord

Firstly, there are over 60 people with the surname Miller / Millar in the vicinity of Westham:

You are right, Richard is not listed, but there are now 6 Henry Millers and 3 Sarah Millers - but Charles, Caroline, Alfred and George have gone.

Sophia and Edward are still there.

Will post details as soon as I have peeled the potatoes for dinner and got the joint in the oven

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 13:05 BST (UK)

Hi alord

These are the only Millers ‘born in / living in’ Westham in the 1851 census for Westham and surrounding district.

HO 107/ 1637/ Folio 20/ Page 15 - Westham Street 22
MILLER Henry, Ldg, Widower, 54, Cowkeeper, born Arlington, Sussex.

HO 107/ 637/ Folio 78/ Page 47 – Jevington, Sussex
MILLER Sarah, 55, born in Sussex was probably a different Sarah, as this Sarah is 65, blind, with a husband John aged 62 from East Dean together with a daughter Maria aged 26 from Jevingdon

HO 107/ 1637/ Folio 20/ Page 13, Westham Street 20
MILLER Edward, Head, Marr, 48, Boot/Shoemaker Master/ born Hailsham
Sophia, Wife, Marr, 48, born Hellingly, Sussex
Andrew, Son, Unm, 20, Boot/Shoemaker App, born Westham
James, Son, Unm, 18, Boot/Shoemaker App, born Westham
Luther, Son, Unm, 15, Boot/Shoemakers App/ born Westham
Dorcas, Dau, Unm, 9, Scholar, born Westham
Samuel, Son, Unm, 4, born Westham

HO 107/ 1637/ Folio 30/ Page 3 – Westham Street, Westham
MILLER William, Lodg, Unm, 22, Gardener, born Westham, living with the Chapman family in Westham Street, Westham.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Alord on Sunday 11 April 04 13:31 BST (UK)

Re Millers

Thanks a lot Chris, you are doing a marvellous job!
More thinking needed here!

I'm sure I will think of some more questions soon.

Enjoy your roast.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 13:54 BST (UK)

Hi alord

Think as long / often as you want - will still be here to help you.

In an earlier post you said

"Edward Miller is my GGG Grandfather".

Now that we know from the 1851 census he was born in Hailsham, will look through the 24 volumes of the 1851 census transcription to see if we can identify any other 'Miller' born in Hailsham that have moved to nearby villages. (when I have got a quite moment)

Incidentally the 'Millar' entry in the 1851, came from St Pancras, London - so no connection with yours

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 14:41 BST (UK)

Hi again, its me

Had a look whilst waiting for the Yorkshire Puds to rise:

John Miller, Iron Foundry Labourer, 53 born Hailsham with wife Ann, 52 born Lewes and Isaiah aged 15, Iron Founders Lab and William H Miller, grandson aged 1 all in Lewes, Sussex.

James Miller, Gentlemans Groom, 47, born Hailsham with wife Harriet born in Kent and children James 10, George 7, Charles 4, Ann 1 living in South Common, Chailey, Sussex

Samuel Miller, Partly Disabled, 50, born Hailsham, with wife Eliza, 48, born Arlington and children Ann 12, Mary 6, Richard 10, Thomas 5, in Milton Street, Arlington

Their ages fit in nicely with your Edward - Only by looking at the Baptisms in the Parish Register for Hailsham will we find if they are related and who the parents were / are

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Alord on Sunday 11 April 04 15:32 BST (UK)

Well done Chris you are doing brilliantly! I can see you like a puzzle.

Yes born in Hailsham put me in a bit of a spin because family 'lore' had it that the Millers had lived in Westham for over 200 yrs(however family lore also has it that they came from Hawick in Scotland - neither of which have been proved yet!)

However, Hailsham makes sense because Edward Miller and family, plus his son Luther through whom I am descended all attended the Zoar Strict Baptist Chapel, Upper Dicker (he was married there also - not confirmed) and is supposed to be buried there although my father couldn't find the stone when he looked there a few yrs ago. I could never understand why they would go all the way from Westham to Upper Dicker for their services, but this would make sense if he was brought up in this particular church.

If the Lewes records office have the Zoar records I think this must be the next place to look? I could also try in the WSussex records, although I am not sure how comprehensive their Sussex nonconfirmist registers are ( I am much nearer Chichester than Lewes).

Anyway its all getting very exciting, and thank you again for all those Millers in Hailsham - more long lost relations maybe?

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 15:50 BST (UK)

Hi again

Yes, I love this kind of research

Have possibly found the parents of them all on the 1841 census of Hailsham:

Samuel Miller, Ag Lab, aged 80 and his wife Elizabeth aged 70 in Hailsham, both born in Sussex

As I said before - its now down to the Parish Registers to connect them all together or otherwise.

Exciting aint it

Chris in 1066Land

PS - I will be visiting the East Sussex Record Office before the end of the month

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Alord on Sunday 11 April 04 19:47 BST (UK)

Many thanks again Chris re the Millers.

I'm sure I will get back to you on this - ah the thrill of the chase!

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: moon on Sunday 11 April 04 21:26 BST (UK)

hello Chris,
my John Cripps was born May 08, 1828 and died on the first quarter 1909 (have ordered certificate), on 1841 he was 13 born in Richmond (from a watermen family on thames) then by 1951 he was at stonefield road, st mary in the castle, was married to Anna Reeds April 18, 1851 in hastings, 1861 and 1871 i dont know, 1881 age 52 police sergent, 1891 i dont know, 1901 age 72 retired police sargeant so many question is getting his police records (when he started and when he retired) from the East Sussex records office, will pay
Jennifer in Ontario, Canada

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 11 April 04 22:01 BST (UK)

Hi

1891 Census for Hastings / St Leonards

RG12/ 765/ Folio 43/ Page 31 - 28 Silchester Road, St Leonards

John Cripps, Widower, Retired Police Officer and daughter Emma, Dressmaker.

(http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?f=getimage&r=an&dbid=6598&path=Sussex.St+Mary+Magdalene.ALL.23.31&mac=D-KhicrFQwteB824kvsCdB&vx=421&vy=632&vw=842&vh=632&zp=75&qf=mc&rc=)

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: moon on Monday 12 April 04 01:34 BST (UK)

hello Chris
wow, did not know Emma was with him in 1891, had a servant 1881 and 1901 was on his own, thank! kept copy of 1891 census, i was in Hastings last May/03 for 9 days. this is what has me so intrigued
Jennifer

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 12 April 04 12:13 BST (UK)

Hi Jennifer

Glad that you found that info to be of some use.

Hope you enjoyed your time in Hastings last year, if you come over again to Hastings, let me know - will meet up and give you a guided tour of the area and help you with some further research in the local archives.

In the meantime, am looking out for the Police Records of your John Cripps - but if you need anything else, you know where to find me

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: moon on Monday 12 April 04 12:48 BST (UK)

thanks Chris, trying to do as much research before then as i can so when i go to Lewes, museums, churchyards, cemeteries, hastings registry office, hastings and rother group, etc.. it will be easier since going for only about 7 days

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Monday 12 April 04 20:48 BST (UK)

Hello Chris - Re Burial Transcriptions -
Could you have a look please for this couple..

THOMAS and JANE CARTER who lived in the St.Anns District of Lewes. Is it likely that they might turn up in any of the three indexes that you have that cover 1865 onwards.

They were both alive in 1865 but both died when their youngest son, born in that year, was a 'young boy'.

I have looked on Free BMD but have yet to find a death entry for either of them.
Thanks, Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 12 April 04 21:05 BST (UK)

Hi, these are from St John Sub Castro

1811 November 14   Carter   ??   ??      infant
1849 March 18   Carter   Alfred   m   Flint Row   infant   OTP
1823 December 1   Carter   Ann   f      35
1889 December 27   Carter   Caroline   f      67   All Saints
1895 May   23   Carter   Caroline   f      42   All Saints
1889 March 30   Carter   Charles   m      40   OTP
1836 April 7   Carter   Clarissa   f      2
1865 March 26   Carter   Eliza   f      48
1894 July   27   Carter   Eliza   f      49   OTP
1896 November 2   Carter   Eliza   f   The Rectory   80   Staveley
1899 March 6   Carter   Emma   f      45   OTP
1887 March 5   Carter   Esther   f      75   All Saints
1881 April 5   Carter   Frederick   m      8   OTP
1902 February 26   Carter   Frrances   f      80   OTP
1846 March 8   Carter   George   m   Flint Row   infant   OTP
1877 April 29   Carter   Henry   m      64   All Saints
1882 December 3   Carter   Henry   m      40   OTP
1925 January 31   Carter   Henry   m   Comptons Yard, North St   0.7   Lewes
1842 December 8   Carter   Henry John   m   St Johns St   0.3   OTP
1875 February 22   Carter   James   m      86
1850 November 10   Carter   John   m      84
1884 June 5   Carter   John   m   The Union   19
1902 August 5   Carter   John   m      85   OTP
1887 January 15   Carter   John Herbert   m      24   All Saints
1877 December 21   Carter   Mark Burton   m      72   All Saints
1853 September 18   Carter   Mary   f      67
1805 November 10   Carter   Mary    f      34
1869 February 8   Carter   Mary    f   High St   82   Southover
1848 June 20   Carter   Mary Ann   f   John St   4   OTP
1921 November 21   Carter   Mary Anne   f   3 Mount Pleasant   77   OTP
1862 August 21   Carter   Matilda   f      0.5
1847 March 28   Carter   Sarah   f   St Johns St   0.1   OTP
1810 December 2   Carter   Thomas   m      0.7
1857 February 10   Carter   Thomas   m      1
1867 June 27   Carter   Thomas   m      85
1847 May 27   Carter   William   m   West St   38   OTP
1852 April 11   Carter   William   m      31
1824 April 13   Carter    John    m      infant

I do not have the burial transcription for St Annes, plus after the mid 1850's when the Cemetery Act came into force - if they did not have a relative buried in the local yard - they were all dealt with at the cemetery.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Monday 12 April 04 21:31 BST (UK)

Er :-\ Um :-\ Well :-\ Thanks Chris, I think; plenty to be going on with there then..

Seriously though, thanks for those, my Carters were all in Lewes area so thats given me something to ponder on.

Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 13 April 04 21:33 BST (UK)

Hi suey

Have checked the burial registers for All Saints, Lewes and South Maling Lewes - there are no Carters listed in either.

Will look in the Southover Burial Registers when I go to Lewes on Monday (dont have a copy at Home)

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Wednesday 14 April 04 11:56 BST (UK)

Thanks Chris - I would like to know when Thomas and Jane died, William their son was my Grandpa, he died before I was born. An Aunt remembers him but says he would NEVER speak about his family, taboo subject. She suspects he had a rotten time at the hands of an elder brother, we shall never know.
Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 14 April 04 12:10 BST (UK)

Hi Suey

Have put your Thomas and Jane on my list of Lookups at the County Record Office in Lewes on Thursday 22nd April

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Ruth on Thursday 15 April 04 08:44 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

May I trespass on your kindness once more and ask for a look up in the 1851 census for Sussex for James LANSDELL b.c.1822 and Mark James LANSDELL b.c.1830.

Also, if possible, could you check for Mark James LANSDELL in Hastings in 1841? He's not with his father and brother in Battle, so maybe was staying with grandparents.

Thanks again for all your help.

Ruth

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 15 April 04 12:59 BST (UK)

Ruth

May I trespass on your kindness once more and ask for a look up in the 1851 census for Sussex for James LANSDELL b.c.1822 and Mark James LANSDELL b.c.1830.

Have not found these two as yet

Also, if possible, could you check for Mark James LANSDELL in Hastings in 1841? He's not with his father and brother in Battle, so maybe was staying with grandparents.

1841 Census – High Street, Hastings
BREED Martha, 68, Independant means, not born in Sussex
James, 41, Merchant, Not born in Sussex
Susan, 25, born Sussex
LANSDELL Mark, 11, born Sussex
Plus Mary & Elizabeth Wingfield - Servants.

Hope above is ok

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 01:04 BST (UK)

Hi Ruth

Found some more property that James Lansdell leased from Thomas Breeds on the 'America Ground'

1. Small Dwelling House, with two rooms below and three above occupied by W Collins at 4s per week
2. Open Shed with Carpenters Shop over, Large Yard with Sawpit
3. A Counting House, two stables for two Horses each and Open Shed
4. A Counting House

Did the Breed manuscript make interesting reading.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ricksmith on Friday 16 April 04 07:26 BST (UK)

Hi Chris,

You helped me some time ago with LEVETTs buried in St John Sub Castro. I have found that my LEVETT branch (~1820- 1860s) was living at 8 Lancaster Street and the house still stands.

I was wondering if you could please send me the baptsims of the church for LEVETT.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Ruth on Friday 16 April 04 07:40 BST (UK)

Quote from: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 01:04 BST (UK)

Hi Ruth

Found some more property that James Lansdell leased from Thomas Breeds on the 'America Ground'

1. Small Dwelling House, with two rooms below and three above occupied by W Collins at 4s per week
2. Open Shed with Carpenters Shop over, Large Yard with Sawpit
3. A Counting House, two stables for two Horses each and Open Shed
4. A Counting House

Did the Breed manuscript make interesting reading.

Chris in 1066Land

Thanks for that Chris. Yes the Breeds story was very interesting - amazing how much can be pieced together about a family. Thanks for sending it to me.

Ruth

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 10:59 BST (UK)

Hi Ricksmith

Hi Chris,

You helped me some time ago with LEVETTs buried in St John Sub Castro. I have found that my LEVETT branch (~1820- 1860s) was living at 8 Lancaster Street and the house still stands.

I was wondering if you could please send me the baptsims of the church for LEVETT.

St John Sub Castro Baptisms - 1846 - 1902
1869 Apr 25   Levett   Albert Ernest   m   s   Thomas Gates   Ann Tutt   Lancaster St   Railway Porter
1853 Jan 30   Levett   Elizabeth   f   d   Thomas Gates   Mary Ann   OTP   Porter
1860 Jun 24   Levett   Fanny   f   d   Thomas   Mary Ann   OTP   Porter
1869 Oct 31   Levett   Florence Ann   f   d   Thomas Edward   Martha   Keere St   Ticket Collector at Railway
1882 Dec   3   Levett   George Thomas   m   s   Thomas   Annie Louisa   OTP   Labourer
1850 Sep   29   Levett   James   m   s   Thomas   Mary Ann   OTP   Railway Porter
1857 Jan   25   Levett   Mary Jane   f   d   Thomas   Mary Ann   OTP   Porter
1854 Nov   26   Levett   Sarah   f   d   Thomas   Sarah Ann   OTP   Porter
1866 Mch   25   Levett   William   m   s   Thomas Gates   Mary Ann   OTP   Porter

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 11:08 BST (UK)

Hi Ricksmith

Found one more baptism in St John Sub Castro 1656 - 1845

1844 Feb 18, Levett Charlotte Sutton, f, dau of Elizabeth Levett, Lancaster St, Single Woman

Opppps. ;D

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 11:55 BST (UK)

Hi there Ricksmith

Have looked through the following publication for members of the Levett Family in Lewes

Lewes in 1871 – A Household and Political Directory

High Street – Southover
LEVETT Thomas, 24, born Lewes, Railway Ticket Collector, 3 family members, No voting Preference

6 Lancaster Street – Lewes
LEVETT Thomas, 47, born Lewes, Railway Porter, 5 family members, On Register did NOT vote

The Anchor, South Street – S Malling, Lewes
LEVETT Edmund, 48, born East Hoathly, Lab / Beer Shop Keeper, 3 family members, 1 servant, voted Conservative

St Johns Street – Lewes
LEVITT Tom, 40, born East Hoathly, Cordwainer, 3 family members, No voting preference.

The publication was an Occasional Paper from Sussex University and shows 1871 census data tied up / cross referenced with 1868 poll book during the general election in the Lewes Election for member of Parliament:
William Langham Christie - Conservative
Lord Pelham - Liberal

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Friday 16 April 04 13:43 BST (UK)

Hello Chris - Re your Household and Political Directory it sounds fascinating.

Could you have a look please and see if there is any reference to a Richard Sales, wife Jane, I have him as a Fisherman or Fishmonger; in 1851 he was at Castle Ditch, Lewes

Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 13:58 BST (UK)

Hi Suey

There are 2 entries for SALES in the Directory:

7 Church Row - Lewes
SALES John, 32, born Lewes, Huckster, 7 family members, no voting preference.

North Place - Lewes
SALES Richard, 70, Lewes, Ag Lab, 3 family members, no voting preference.

NB - Castle ditch is shown as only having two properties occupied by George Balcombe and Henry Elphick

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Friday 16 April 04 16:36 BST (UK)

:)Thankyou Chris - Looks like they are both mine - I have at last found Richard in 1881 - age way out ! and he is still at North Place with wife and grandchild and at 77 still calling himself a Labourer !

John is his son - I'm realy pleased, little bits of info like this put a bit of 'meat on the bones'.

Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 16:49 BST (UK)

Hi Suey

Found these SALES burials in nearby St John Sub Castro:

1844 March 3   Sales   Albert   m   Sun St   1.1   OTP
1927 March 7   Sales   Alfred   m   11 St Johns St   77   OTP
1899 September 11   Sales   Arthur   m      59   OTP
1876 March 4   Sales   Elizabeth   f      34
1886 April   17   Sales   Jane   f      82   OTP
1887 July   26   Sales   Richard   m      83   OTP
1851 November 11   Sales   William   m      45
1867 June 11   Sales   William   m      22
1907 June 12   Sales   William   m   41 St John St   68   OTP
1832 February 15   Sales   William    m   Died of the small pox   2

You might be able to connect with one or two of them

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 16:58 BST (UK)

Suey

A few baptisms from same church register

1847 Dec   19   Sales   Thomas   m   s   William   Philadelphia   Mt Pleasant   Carrier
1850 Mch   1   Sales   Alfred   m   s   William   Phildalphia   OTP   Carrier
1872 Mch   3   Sales   Bessie   f   d   Arthur   Elizabeth   OTP   Labourer
1872 Mch   3   Sales   Ellen   f   d   Arthur   Elizabeth   OTP   Labourer
1874 Jul   5   Sales   Arthur Alfred   m   s   Arthur   Elizabeth   OTP   Labourer

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Lansdell in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 19:28 BST (UK)

Ruth

Also, if possible, could you check for Mark James LANSDELL in Hastings in 1841? He's not with his father and brother in Battle, so maybe was staying with grandparents.

Have checked the 23 volumes of June Barnes 1851 census transcription, (some 160,000 names) and niether of the above are included - this does not include the Brighton Area..

The 1851 for Brighton is on Fiche, but alas I do not have a fiche viewer at the moment - sorry

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Ruth on Friday 16 April 04 19:40 BST (UK)

Thanks for trying Chris. Mark Lansdell became an analytical chemist so perhaps was away studying in 1851. He subsequently lived in London. But James is a mystery. No doubt he will turn up somewhere!

Ruth

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 16 April 04 20:31 BST (UK)

Ruth

Remembered I had a very old fiche viewer up in the attic - very tatty and dusty, but it did work. (despite the sun today, it was cold up
there)

Sorry, not one single person named Lansdell on the 2 fiche of Brighton & District.

Once again, apologies - but cant find them (unusual for me to say that)

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: suey on Friday 16 April 04 21:19 BST (UK)

Chris - amazing, thankyou - the Richard and Jane on the Burials are my Great Grandparents so nice to know where they are. William age 22 is their son.

I have been looking at Will' and Phil' and was hoping that William was a brother to Richard but from the entries i've found on the IGI it does not look as though he is - pity cos Will died in 1851 and Phil got hitched up with a younger chap Edward Wren and seems to have done very nicely for herself, had a Marine Store supply shop in St John St. Lewes.

I'm fairly sure Arthur is the son of Will and Phil - His wife was Elizabeth so that ties in the baptisms and she is the 34yr old Elizabeth on the Burials.

Don't think Richard and Jane were very hot on Baptisms etc. of the 5 children that I know I havnt been able to find a birth or bap. for any of them!
Sue

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Sunday 18 April 04 22:25 BST (UK)

Chris, If there is one, I would like to request a lookup on the 1871 Brighton Census for the following Marchant family, possibly living on Hanover Terrace:
William, b.c1834, Linfield, Sussex
Ann, b.1839, Brighton
Children: James, Ann, Elizabeth, Amelia, Albert and William

With thanks, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 18 April 04 22:31 BST (UK)

Hi there Meg

Sorry you have not had a response to this query, Possibly the main reason why you have had no response is:

Sussex aint on line yet

Ancestry.com have not got around to transcribing it as yet, and its not on their list for transcribing in the very very near future.

Sorry Meg, cant give you what is not their on-line.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ~meg on Monday 19 April 04 02:35 BST (UK)

Chris, That explains the no responses, then! Sorry, didn't know that Sussex was not included in the 1871 Census Lookups. Now I know. My apologies. thank you, meg

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: ricksmith on Tuesday 20 April 04 07:02 BST (UK)

Hi Chris,

Many thanks for that information. That was very useful.

Kind regards
Rick

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 21 April 04 15:24 BST (UK)

Rick

Found this in the Burial Register 1651 – 1699 at St John Sub Castro

6th October 1657 – John Levett, m, Mr John who died in the Cliffe.

Could be of interest to you

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Carter in Lewes
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 21 April 04 15:52 BST (UK)

Suey

Have just aquired another part of the Burial Register transcription for All Saints in Lewes from 1738 to 1920 (I looked in the earlier pages before) with the following result:

1802 Oct 27, Carter Ann, 30
1894 Jan 10, Carter Ann, 97, Union Workhouse
1836 Oct 23, Carter Caleb, 3
1836 Nov 14, Carter Charlotte, 1
1838 Feb 18, Carter Clara, 6m
1841 Apr 4, Carter Cornelius, 9m
1867 Nov 12, Carter David, 29
1803 Mar 31, Carter Edward, 3
1836 Apr 10, Carter Edward, 6
1860 May 6, Carter Eliza Ann, 3
1862 Mar 7, Carter Elizabeth, 64
1830 Jul 3, Carter Frances, 64
1839 Apr 21, Carter Frederick, 1
1854 June 26, Carter Hannah, 60 – Monument 49
1852 Feb 27, Carter Henry William, 18m
1872 Aug 22, Carter John, 74 – Monument 49
1806 Jun 10, Carter Mary, 55
1809 May, 10, Carter Mary, 19
1809 Sep 3, Carter Mary Ann, 32 – Monument 174
1797 Jan 1, Carter Nancy, 9m
1802 Dec 30, Carter Sally, 11w
1825 Aug 25, Carter Sarah, 73
1809 May 22, Carter Susannah, 1
1798 Feb 3, Carter William, 11m
1812 Sep 4, Carter William, 65
1837 May 19, Carter William, 67, St Michaels parish
1838 Dec 26, Carter William, 48,

Hope you can identify some of them as yours.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Carter in Southover, Lewes
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 21 April 04 16:16 BST (UK)

Suey

Have managed to aquire a copy of the St John the Baptist , Southover, Lewes, Burial Register with the following result:

1874 Apr 19, Carter Arthur, Southover, 14 days
1871 Jun 21, Carter Henry, Southover, 75
1841 Aug 1, Carter Mary Ann, Southover, 56
1836 Mar 7, Carter Thomas, Brighton, 78
1833 May 14, Carter Mar, Southover, 73
1830 Feb 27, Carter Ann, Southover, 3 weeks
1826 Sep 17, Carter Rebekah, Southover, 28
1826 Nov 19, Carter Saeah, Southover, 19 months
1825 Dec 4 Carter John, Southover, 4
1822 Dec 20 Carter John, Southover, Southover, 70
1820 Aug 20, Carter Robert, Deal Kent, 29
1819 Apr 7, Carter Ann, Southover, no age listed
1795 Jun 2, Mary dau of Willam Carter esq, Collector of excises & Mary his Wife.

Went back another 50 years without finding anymore entries for Carter.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Moon in Hastings
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 21 April 04 22:44 BST (UK)

Hi there

Parsons 1881 Street Directory of Hastings:
147 Queens Road is occupied by T Pick, and Co, Grocers.
Incidentally it is on the corner of Queens Road and Waterworks Road.

127 Marina, St Leonards is occupied by W Moon, grocer and wine merchant.

Parsons 1872 Directory
4 Carlton Terrace is occupied by W Moon – Lodging House Keeper
4 Carlton Terrace, W Moon – Carpenter & Joiner

Post Office 1855 Directory
49 George Street – Richard Moon – Bootmaker

Post Office 1862 Directory
6 Albion Terrace, Halton – Mrs Charlotte Moon – Laundress
West Beach Street – Richard Moon, Boot & Shoe Maker

Osbornes 1852 Street Directory
No mention of name Moon.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: moon on Wednesday 21 April 04 23:03 BST (UK)

wow, thanks Chris, W. Moon must be mine along with Charlotte, will talk to my Dad's cousin in Braintree, Essex about 147 Queen's and i don't know about Richard, more info. for me to look into, thanks once again!
Jennifer

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: PaulineJ on Thursday 22 April 04 14:21 BST (UK)

Was on www.policeorders.co.uk today. (London Metropolitan Police)

Playford results.

125598 RONALD G E PLAYFORD PC Photo 06/02/1937 More Info
29/03/1864 25650 PLAYFORD PC N RECLASSIFY More Info
29/10/1943 125598 PLAYFORD PC 184 Y To Navy 01/11/1943 More Info

125598 RONALD G E PLAYFORD PC Photo 06/02/1937 More Info
08/02/1937 125598 RONALD G E PL;AYFORD PC 184 Y JOINED More Info
29/10/1943 125598 PLAYFORD PC 184 Y To Navy 01/11/1943 More Info

Pauline

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: foxglove on Thursday 22 April 04 17:01 BST (UK)

Hi Chris & Ruth,
I sent you an E-mail Chris and it came back "over quota".
I also tried to open the www.Hastings.... website and was told it was a bad connection.
(I had clicked on the link directly)
I am from the Breeds family and sent you something by mail a while ago, Chris, perhaps you rememeber? I also have an interest in your Landsdell's, Ruth.
I think it may best to explain by E-mail. Is there another address for you somewhere on this site, Chris?

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 22 April 04 19:01 BST (UK)

Sorry Folks

I am in the process of 'upgrading' to a bigger web site that will take a lot of my research and archives - so sorry for it being down at the moment.

My e-mail comes through that web site - so unfortunately it is down as well - but have private messaged you both with my own private e-mail address.

Other than that - it is business as usual.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: foxglove on Thursday 22 April 04 22:43 BST (UK)

Quote from: Ruth on Friday 09 April 04 09:13 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

What a very generous offer! I'd love to bombard you with requests but I'll restrain myself...

I'm interested in all LANSDELLs in Sussex - could you perhaps let me have entries from your Monumental Inscription database, if there are any?

Many thanks

Ruth

Hi Ruth and Chris,

I've sent you another E-mail, Chris.
Ruth, about a year ago I took an interest in James Lansdell and Martha Breeds because I have been researching my Breeds line in Tenterden Kent and I found Lansdells there too. Since reading about your interest in this couple, I took time today and went to the IGI at LDS on-line. I have traced James Lansdell back to Lawrence Lansdell born in 1651 at Cranbrook, Kent.
This information was all submitted by a member of the LDS church but it does leave a very clear path for us to follow.....
I have found evidence that another descendant of Lawrence Lansdell was married to my 4X great uncle, William Breeds at Tenterden - their first child Emily Breeds was born at Tenterden in 1839.
So it appears the Lansdells and the Breeds may be connected twice. Hope to discuss this further by E-mail.

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 22 April 04 23:08 BST (UK)

Hi there Foxglove

Nice to make your aquaintence again.

Thank you for the e-mail, received it ok.

Lansdells - It has been a while since I looked at those notes, but I would be very interested in talking to Ruth. I don't know if you prefer that I keep to the Rootschat site with my comments, or could I also have Ruth's e-mail address?

Obviously you can chat to her via these boards or via the chat room, or by private message, or if Ruth wishes, you can echange e-mail addresses.

I have traced my line to a Daniel Breeds (b. 1776 at Tenterden) who married Sarah Friend at Brookland, Kent on august 1, 1797. From the Tenterden Parish registers I found that Daniel's mother was an unwed Mary Breads (spelling did vary from Breads to Breeds, but always with the "s").

Have you found any 'bastardy orders' within the parish chest for Tenterden - if there are any, they should be at Maidstone (County Record Office.)

I have tried to find the birth of our unwed Mary Breads in the Tenterden parish registers with no luck. It has been suggested that perhaps she was from another area, such as Rye.

Could be, but if she travelled to Tenterdon whilst in child, she would have been moved on to the next county by the poor law Cmmisioners - i.e. if the baby had been born in Tenterden, they would have been responsible by law for its upkeep; so the local constable would move girls in this condition into the next parish in the dead of night, more often than not by force.

There was a Mary Breads born in 1757, to Joseph Breads and Susannah Mansfield. You will see them on the top left hand quadrant of the tree that I sent to you. Mary is not on the tree but she does appear on the IGI as their first born daughter.

Its possible, but be very carefull about 'grasping at straws here'

By the way, I think Rootschat is a great idea!

So do we all, its great helping others and still learning yourself at the same time.

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: foxglove on Thursday 22 April 04 23:38 BST (UK)

Quote from: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 22 April 04 23:08 BST (UK)

Hi Chris.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Re your question:
Have you found any 'bastardy orders' within the parish chest for Tenterden - if there are any, they should be at Maidstone (County Record Office.)

No, I am not familiar with those orders - will have to see what is available to me through LDS as I am in Canada, but I thank you for suggesting it

[Could be, but if she travelled to Tenterdon whilst in child, she would have been moved on to the next county by the poor law Cmmisioners - i.e. if the baby had been born in Tenterden, they would have been responsible by law for its upkeep; so the local constable would move girls in this condition into the next parish in the dead of night, more often than not by force.

Would this be the case if Mary were living with family, or perhaps with family of the father? She did have a second child born at Tenterden, and I found a subsequent marriage of Mary Breads to John Kennard, but don't have proof that it was the same Mary Breads, although it was highly likely since the marriage took place shortly after birth of second child.

Its possible, but be very carefull about 'grasping at straws here'

I do agree with you about not grasping at straws, but there is a little more to the story which I will tell you by E-mail.

Thanks again for your help!

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: yorkshirerose on Tuesday 04 May 04 23:01 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

I am looking up Holleys from Hastings.
I am trying to find any info on Douglas (sometimes known as Dudley) Joseph Holley Married to Elizabeth Sturgess. No idea of marriage birth or death dates. I know they had a son called Dudley Joseph Basil Holley who married Edith Booker 03/12/1908.
Dudley and Edith had Dorothy, Dudley, Edward, Rosalie, Lillian, Violet, Ivy and Eileen. They were born between 1908 and 1918. I know Dudley died in France at the end of world war 1 and was buried out there.
I am trying to find the parents of Elizabeth Sturgess. Any info would be appreciated.
I am also looking in Brighton too, do you cover that area?
Thankyou for any help Chris

Liz

Title: Re:Research in Sussex
Post by: yorkshirerose on Tuesday 04 May 04 23:09 BST (UK)

Hi Chris

i'm researching the Holleys in st leonards on sea and hastings. Any info on Douglas (also known as Dudley) Joseph Holley and his wife Elizabeth Sturgess. Their son Dudley Joseph Basil Holley was married to Edith Booker. I don't know if they had any other children.
Dudley and Edith were married 03/12/1903 and had Dorothy Dudley Edward Rosalie Lillian Violet and twins Ivy and Eileen. They were all born between 1903 and 1918. Any info on the family would be appreciated.

Do you research in Brighton at all?
Thankyou for any help

Liz

Title: Research in Sussex Part 1
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 05 May 04 00:11 BST (UK)

Hi Sussex Researchers

This topic has now been locked because of the number of questions / replies.

But it has been continued as Research in Sussex Part 2

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re: Research in Sussex Part 1
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 09 July 04 11:19 BST (UK)

Yorkshire Rose

Looking back through old messages I came across yours which for some reason did not get a positive answer:

My apologies for this oversight by myself - I am very sorry.

I hope this was the information you were after

1901 England Census

Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island

Dudley Holley 16 St Leonards Of S, Sussex, England Son St Mary Magdalene Sussex
Elizabeth Holley 40 Hungerford, Berkshire, England Daughter St Mary Magdalene Sussex
Ann Sturgess 80 Collumpton, Devon, England Head St Mary Magdalene Sussex

Looks like Elizabeth and her son Dudley are at home with mum

In the 1891 census, Dudley aged 6, together with his grandmother aged 71 (a nurse) were lodging in Southwater Road, St Leonards

Chris in 1066Land

Title: Re: Research in Sussex Part 1
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 20 October 04 23:18 BST (UK)

Hi Suey

Way back in the early days of rootschat - you asked the following:-

Hello Chris - Re Burial Transcriptions -
Could you have a look please for this couple..

THOMAS and JANE CARTER who lived in the St.Anns District of Lewes. Is it likely that they might turn up in any of the three indexes that you have that cover 1865 onwards.

They were both alive in 1865 but both died when their youngest son, born in that year, was a 'young boy'.

I have looked on Free BMD but have yet to find a death entry for either of them.
Thanks, Sue

Was at the ESRO today and found the following:-

Burial - Jan 1st 1805, Jane Carter aged 69 of St Annes. Lewes.

Hope it is still of use to your family tree

Chris in 1066Land

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